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Thank you! And thanks for answering all of my questions (I know I've had a lot) - I can be a little neurotic, I know :)
I'm glad you ask - and especially this one. I plan to read the last 4 of the Barsetshire series, and I knew this was a multi-volume entry. And we need these things brought to our attention because our new software will filter for the titles, so we need to have them all entered.
I think the North American title equivalent of Northern Lights is The Golden Compass, it is my understanding that His Dark Materials is the series title in both Great Britain and N.A.
Ceraphina wrote: "I think the North American title equivalent of Northern Lights is The Golden Compass, it is my understanding that His Dark Materials is the series title in both Great Britain and N.A."You are correct, and I made an error in my post - going to fix it!
I just read a post in the Completed Thread about YA books not earning style points. I have All Quiet on the Western Front planned for 20.8 Serially. GR lists it as YA but BPL has it shelved as fiction (not YA). If I use it for 20.8, will it be eligible for style points based on BPL?
Connie wrote: "When it says "This task cannot be used for combo points", that means that I still can get combo points in this task, I just cannot use it for combo points in another task, right?i.e. 20.4, Combo ..."
I knew I read this somewhere! Anyway, I got my answer in 20.4 thread.
Bea wrote: "I just read a post in the Completed Thread about YA books not earning style points. I have All Quiet on the Western Front planned for 20.8 Serially. GR lists it as YA but BPL has it shelved as fict..."We use BPL - Goodreads does not designate as YA or otherwise, although some readers do. In any case it must be a combination of YA and a Lexile score below 800 that is the trigger. BPL does have this shelved as YA, but it has a Lexile of 830, so it doesn't fall below the threshhold.
Thanks, for the clarification, Elizabeth. Sorry for all the questions but really appreciate the extra help with learning my way around the challenges.
Bea wrote: "I have All Quiet on the Western Front planned for 20.8 Serially. GR lists it as YA but BPL has it shelved as fiction (not YA). If I use it for 20.8, will it be eligible for style points based on BPL? ..."https://catalog.brooklynpubliclibrary...
One thing to keep in mind with looking up books at BPL (and in general) is that YA and Fiction are not mutually exclusive categories; books can be:
Fiction-notYA
Fiction-YA
Nonfiction-notYA
Nonfiction-YA.
So to determine if a book is YA, scroll down on the record page and look on the left, under "Location". In the link above, you will see that All Quiet is located in "[Branch name] YA Assignment", thus it is a fiction book that is shelved in the YA section.
Bea wrote: "Thanks, for the clarification, Elizabeth. Sorry for all the questions but really appreciate the extra help with learning my way around the challenges."I repeat - questions are never a problem!!!!
We do have ins and outs unlike other challenges, and things may not always be what they seem on first blush.
Liz M wrote: "So to determine if a book is YA, scroll down on the record page and look on the left, under "Location". In the link above, you will see that All Quiet is located in "[Branch name] YA Assignment", thus it is a fiction book that is shelved in the YA section."Thanks, Liz. Still learning how to use all the references. Appreciate the help.
Does anybody see where I can fit in Bruno Schulz' The Street of Crocodiles or Sanatorium Under the Sign of the Hourglass? 10.7 will work, but is there another task for them too?
And while I'm at it, The Street of Crocodiles is both shelved as short stories and novel, and wikipedia says at one point that it's a collection of short stories and at another that it's a short novel/novella - would it be acceptable as Not-a-Novel?
Connie wrote: "And while I'm at it, The Street of Crocodiles is both shelved as short stories and novel, and wikipedia says at one point that it's a collection of short stories and at another that it's a short no..."Wiki calls Crocodiles a collection of short stories, and even lists the individual titles. Apparently Sanatorium is also a collection of short stories.
I'm afraid I don't see another task for these. The Wiki article does not include, for instance, any notes that the stories appeared singly in magazines before publication as a whole.
The square peg is a challenge. I am looking at Cleopatra by Stacy Schiff. I am hoping for that for 20.5 Making History we are using our current numbering system for years, since Cleopatra (conveniently for this challenge) killed herself a few months shy of 29BCE. And I hope I don't have to check out the Roman or Ptolemaic calendars. :)Also I can find no indication who Stacy Schiff's father is. Can I assume he is not an author?
itpdx wrote: "The square peg is a challenge. I am looking at Cleopatra by Stacy Schiff. I am hoping for that for 20.5 Making History we are using our current numbering system for years, since Cleopatra (conven..."This appears to work! Yes as to the calendar. As to fatherly - you cannot prove a negative, which in this case would be the same as the inability to find the information. I have assumed for other authors if the information wasn't given, then the child/father was not an author.
Thanks Elizabeth! The Square Peg this time is more of a challenge of "What doesn't fit in there?" :)
Sometimes the challenges reduce the tbr-list, sometimes they make it bigger, that's just the way it goes :)
well, to be fair, thanks to reviews they usually just make it bigger ;)
Connie wrote: "Thanks Elizabeth! The Square Peg this time is more of a challenge of "What doesn't fit in there?" :)
Sometimes the challenges reduce the tbr-list, sometimes they make it bigger, that's just the..."
I know what you mean. I try my darnedest to read books I already own, and each time find myself either buying some or running to the library. Your Master and Margarita is a good example - which I'm hoping to get to.
Sara Grace ('00-'05) wrote: "Is there a task than "Square Peg" to attach to The Power of Habit? I need to read it for a different reading group.I can't find one but sometimes I overlook the obvious."
Sara, I can't help you but I did add it to my TBR. Thanks.
Sara Grace ('00-'05) wrote: "Is there a task than "Square Peg" to attach to The Power of Habit? I need to read it for a different reading group.I can't find one but sometimes I overlook the obvious."
I can find no indication the Duhigg's father was an author, it has plenty of ratings - and it looks like you've found your Square Peg!
Hi -- just noticed that my last post was not included in the 2012 Spring Challenge total. (see: post #954 in the Spring Challenge thread)
Sara - I think I rated it 5 stars; you might be able to fit it into a chain if someone else has too!
Deedee wrote: "Hi -- just noticed that my last post was not included in the 2012 Spring Challenge total. (see: post #954 in the Spring Challenge thread)"Hi -- post #954 also claimed the RwS Finish bonus of +100 which still needs to be added into the total. I have a list of the 20 posts for the Spring RwS if y'all need them. Thanks!
Deedee wrote: "Deedee wrote: "Hi -- just noticed that my last post was not included in the 2012 Spring Challenge total. (see: post #954 in the Spring Challenge thread)"Hi -- post #954 also claimed the RwS Fini..."
Deedee, I am very sorry. It seems I missed including your RwS Finish bonus in the final tabulation. Watership Down was included in your final score, but the Finish bonus was not. I have updated the Readerboard to reflect your bonus. Once again, congrats on your finish, and hope you enjoy the Summer Challenge.
Kate S wrote: "Deedee wrote: "Deedee wrote: "Hi -- just noticed that my last post was not included in the 2012 Spring Challenge total. (see: post #954 in the Spring Challenge thread)"Hi -- post #954 also claim..."
Thanks Kate S -- I enjoyed the Spring Challenge and was so proud to have completed it! And I'm enjoying the Summer one, too.
I just finished listening to the audio of the 10th anniversary edition of American Gods. According to the forward, Gaiman added text to the 10th anniversary edition that had be edited out in the original. If I’m looking at it right, the most popular version of the book is the original and has 656 pages. The hardcover of the 10th anniversary edition has 541 pages and appears earliest in the list when I look for versions with a 2011 publication date. Does that make it the most popular version of the 10th anniversary edition?
Either would those give me the same number of jumbo points, but I'm wondering which would be the official page count used since more than that just the fonts and layout were changed? Also, some of the editions do fall below 500 pages... strangely even some of the 2011 ones. Its amazing that something could get text added and go from 656 to 498 pages. I must start paying more attentions to fonts.
Either would those give me the same number of jumbo points, but I'm wondering which would be the official page count used since more than that just the fonts and layout were changed? Also, some of the editions do fall below 500 pages... strangely even some of the 2011 ones. Its amazing that something could get text added and go from 656 to 498 pages. I must start paying more attentions to fonts.
Leigh wrote: "I just finished listening to the audio of the 10th anniversary edition of American Gods. According to the forward, Gaiman added text to the 10th anniversary edition that had be edited out in the..."Not sure what you're asking in this one. We will use the most popular edition for the page count. Your noting the differences in page counts from the various editions is why we have chosen to use the page count from the most popular edition so that everyone will be treated equally as far as jumbo points.
Leigh wrote: "Its amazing that something could get text added and go from 656 to 498 pages...."The physical page of some hardcover books can be almost twice the size of the page of a mass market paperback which results in huge variations in page numbers.
Even though the 10th Anniversary edition has expanded text, it is still considered the same book as the "original" edition (both by goodreads and by worldcat) and the most popular English print edition (American Gods) will be used in determining page counts.
Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Not sure what you're asking in this one.."
Sorry, I went way out on tangents... Basically, the 10th Anniversary edition has a higher word count--an "author's cut" versus an "editor's cut". I was wondering that made it a distinct work.
Would it basically need a separate Goodreads page? Just curious here. I always seem to stumble into the borderlands of the rules.
Sorry, I went way out on tangents... Basically, the 10th Anniversary edition has a higher word count--an "author's cut" versus an "editor's cut". I was wondering that made it a distinct work.
Would it basically need a separate Goodreads page? Just curious here. I always seem to stumble into the borderlands of the rules.
There is a librarian's group that addresses these issues. Usually they combine all the works of the same title and don't differentiate, as they have done with this one.
Is there any chance of using a steampunk book that is just coming out so not on any of the lists yet?Railsea by China Miéville
Also, how about this anthology? I didn't see it on any of the lists:
Steampunk! An Anthology of Fantastically Rich and Strange Stories
Karen GHHS wrote: "Is there any chance of using a steampunk book that is just coming out so not on any of the lists yet?Railsea by China Miéville
Also, how about this anthology? I didn't see it on any of the lists..."
Unfortunately, no. Books must be chosen from the provided lists.
Liz M wrote: "Karen GHHS wrote: "Is there any chance of using a steampunk book that is just coming out so not on any of the lists yet?Railsea by China Miéville
Also, how about this anthology? I didn't see it ..."
Ok, thanks, Liz. Also, I asked about using a book called Top 10 for alliteration in that thread, but I think the question was missed. Would "10" count as "ten"?
Karen GHHS wrote: "Also, I asked about using a book called Top 10 for alliteration in that thread, but I think the question was missed. Would "10" count as "ten"? ..."I'll take it
Just to make sure this will fit as 10.1 Square Peg:I'm currently listening to the German audiobook of A Storm of Swords, which is split into four parts (Das Lied von Eis und Feuer 9, Das Lied von Eis und Feuer 10, Das Lied von Eis und Feuer 11, Das Lied von Eis und Feuer 12).
The English edition would work for 20.6 Alliteration, but the German parts certainly won't work for that task. So am I right in thinking that the German edition that I'm actually listening to counts?
Also, the English edition has more than 250 ratings and would not work for 10.2 Underrated, but the individual German parts taken together would be a bit under 200 ratings, so here the German edition would actually fit the task. Somehow I feel that in case of ratings the original English edition counts but it also seems inconsistent to use the English edition for one task and the German for another.
So what do the moderators say regarding this?
Isabell wrote: "Just to make sure this will fit as 10.1 Square Peg:I'm currently listening to the German audiobook of A Storm of Swords, which is split into four parts (Das Lied von Eis und Feuer 9, Das Lied von..."
Sorry, Isabell. I saw this and got distracted. Hopefully we'll sort it out soon.
I am a bit confused with the Jumbo points -500 Pages: 5 Points
-700 Pages: 10 Points
-800 Pages: 15 Points
-900 Pages: 20 Points
-1000+ Pages: 25 Points
What if you read a book with 600 pages? Do you not get points for that?
I think you at least get the 5 pointrs for being over 500 pps
Isabell wrote: "Just to make sure this will fit as 10.1 Square Peg:I'm currently listening to the German audiobook of A Storm of Swords, which is split into four parts (Das Lied von Eis und Feuer 9, Das Lied von..."
Isabell, to keep it easier for myself since I, unfortunately, do not know any foreign languages, I would like to use use the English edition of a book to determine if it is eligible for the various title-based tasks. So, in this case Das Lied von Eis und Feuer (A Storm of Swords), works for 20.6 - Alliteration.
Silver wrote: "I am a bit confused with the Jumbo points -500 Pages: 5 Points
-700 Pages: 10 Points
-800 Pages: 15 Points
-900 Pages: 20 Points
-1000+ Pages: 25 Points
What if you read a book with 600 pag..."
The above numbers are the minimum number of pages required to earn the points. Does it make more sense to list them as 500+, 700+, etc, or should I go back and include the entire range, 500-699, 700-799...? Or are you commenting on the 200 page range between 500 and 700 while the rest have a 100 page difference?
Liz M wrote: "Isabell wrote: "Just to make sure this will fit as 10.1 Square Peg:I'm currently listening to the German audiobook of A Storm of Swords, which is split into four parts (Das Lied von Eis und Feuer..."
Great, thanks.
Liz M wrote: "Silver wrote: "I am a bit confused with the Jumbo points -500 Pages: 5 Points
-700 Pages: 10 Points
-800 Pages: 15 Points
-900 Pages: 20 Points
-1000+ Pages: 25 Points
What if you read a bo..."
I was commenting on the 200 page gap between 500 and 700
Silver wrote: "I was commenting on the 200 page gap between 500 and 700..."~shrugs~ That's just the way it was structured. Presumably Sam liked the round numbers of 500 and 1000 pages and 25 points.
If I were to restructure it in order to have an even number of pages per category, I would eliminate the 500-599 range and I don't think anyone wants that. Instead of thinking of it as not getting extra points for book of 600-699 pages, think of it as getting extra points for books with 500-599 pages.
I think of it as that a large number of books falls in the 500-699 category, and that the truly "extra" credit should come for those with even higher page counts.You might also look at the Oldies category, where the first points are awarded to those books in a 50 year span, the next two are a 100 year span and the fourth category is a 150 year span.
Looking for the right balance is not always easy.
Liz M wrote: "Silver wrote: "I was commenting on the 200 page gap between 500 and 700..."~shrugs~ That's just the way it was structured. Presumably Sam liked the round numbers of 500 and 1000 pages and 25 po..."
Just to clarify, since it was said that the numbers were minium amounts, does that mean if you read a book in the 600 page range, you still get the 5 extra points for it?
500-699 Pages: 5 Points700-799 Pages: 10 Points
800-899 Pages: 15 Points
900-999 Pages: 20 Points
1000+ Pages: 25 Points
I have a question for the Literature Map Challenge. When it says choose an author who you read in the Spring, does it have to be from a book that was entered into the Spring Challenge, or can it be from any book read in the Spring, even if was not used for the Spring challenge.
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L’Eau des collines – Marcel Pagnol
Two volumes – Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources – made famous by the excellent films about life in rural France. Despite the hardships endured by the impoverished community, the countryside is alluring and the people full of the joys of life.
The Alexandria Quartet is on two lists and each of the 4 volumes is approved, as are the 6 novels listed as The Chronicles of Barchester by Anthony Trollope.
Lastly, Northern Lights, also titled as The Golden Compass, is approved under either title.