Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
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the consequence of dumbledore being gay
Karina wrote: "He's gay?:S I didn't know that...Do you mean the actor of book character?"
Book character:
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/200...
That Dumbledore is gay doesn't concern me. What concerns me is some of the other professors.
Flitwick likes to be thrown against the wall before he has sex.
Lockhart uses a time turner to go back in time half an hour and literally have sex with himself.
Madame Hooch likes to pull an Annie Savoy, where she takes a struggling 6th or 7th year Quidditch player and sleeps with him while teaching him about the game.
Quirrell liked to choke himself with his turban while shaking hands with the bishop.
Trelawney has an ongoing affair with the Bloody Baron.
Slughorn sells his memories of watching students have sex under the name SlugPorn.
And finally, Filch both gave and received with Buckbeak.
Margarita wrote: "This discussion topic should be deleted
because its stupid and a little offensive to those who are gay/lesbians. There weren't any consequences caused by Doumbledore being gay. His sexuality di..."
I'm sorry but this in no way offends anyone LGBTQTI or otherwise... I'm gay, and it's a simple discussion on Dumbledore... jeez, some people just have to be the ones to take a higher stand on everything...
But back to topic, Dumbledore's sexuality has little to no impact on any events in the books, but it does however give you an insight into Dumbledore, which i think is always a good thing, as, in my opinion, he was rather... under-developed. There could be so much more written into Dumbledore's past or his general character, and i felt tat kind of depth was lacking...
Actually, he`s asexual.
I didn't think of him having a sexual orientation really. I mean... He was Dumbledore! But, I am fine if he is gay or was.
i really don't see why it has to matter. dumbledore's romantic interests played little to no role in the actual plot of the story. whether he is gay or not didn't effect (affect?) the story at all. he was still the best head master hogwarts ever had :)
also, Dakota and all those like him/her, please keep your views civil. this is the internet and anyone can read this and become offended. it is not wrong to voice your opinion, but please do it in a way that is not hurtful to others. thank you.
also, Dakota and all those like him/her, please keep your views civil. this is the internet and anyone can read this and become offended. it is not wrong to voice your opinion, but please do it in a way that is not hurtful to others. thank you.
Yea story-wise it did not make sense.It's like she said it but never wrote it you know?Or maybe I missed something....
I do not believe that my comment was offensive. The title of the thread is "the CONSEQUENCE of Dumbledore being gay" if anything the title is offensive as it alludes to the fact that him being gay will have consequences. Please respect my right to comment as I will do for you.
Dakota wrote: "I do not believe that my comment was offensive. The title of the thread is "the CONSEQUENCE of Dumbledore being gay" if anything the title is offensive as it alludes to the fact that him being gay ..."Geeze troll harder.
Fortunately, JK Rowling didn't make this a big deal, so the consequence is that it isn't a big deal.
If anyone was gay it was Malfoy and he was acting out against Harry because he really had a crush on him and was mean to him because he knew they could never be together.
Michael wrote: "If anyone was gay it was Malfoy and he was acting out against Harry because he really had a crush on him and was mean to him because he knew they could never be together."Hm, the briefness and matter-of-factness with which you said something that was never brought up on this thread before seems almost like you might just be joking around but even if you are I like that idea...
Malfoy is now in a sham marriage with a child going to hogwarts and all this time he's been in love with Harry. It's even almost obvious with his disinterest in women or in the case of Hermione outward hatred - this could be borne of jealousy.
edit to add:
It's just amazing the things that can seem so clear but if you knew it long enough you'd never have puzzled it out. So many of the things I experienced when I was little have simply blown my mind on rereads or rewatches. I knew the Disney logo before I could even read and as such I never identified the letter D in it. I was probably 14 or 15 when I realized.
Samantha wrote: "Michael wrote: "If anyone was gay it was Malfoy and he was acting out against Harry because he really had a crush on him and was mean to him because he knew they could never be together."Hm, the ..."
I can't take the subject to seriously, I don't as a rule try to read anything more into the books that I read than can be easily deduced by the source material. However, My statement makes more sense to me than Dumbledore being gay as there were very few, if any, clues to his sexuality.
It shocked me at first, but then I went back through to read the series again, and it actually made a lot of sense. Besides, who am I to care whether he's gay or not? Dumbledore being gay doesn't affect the storyline hardly at all (if we don't focus on Grindewald and their fued), so why should I care or judge? Sure, it's not how I pictured him when I read the books, but C'MON PEOPLE! That's why some smart person invented *drumroll* FANFICTION! So we can live out our meaningless fiction obsessed lives the way we want, and to treat these characters the way we want. If J.K. Rowling (the freaking AUTHOR!) says he's gay, then he's gay, but that doesn't mean my mind can't make up an alternate reality where he had a thing for McG or something! Some people just need to grow up and leave it alone!
Rachel wrote: "I didn't think of him having a sexual orientation really. I mean... He was Dumbledore! But, I am fine if he is gay or was."
Well said!
Well said!
Dakota wrote: "Faith wrote: "Are you crazy , the poster above me?"Crazy about keeping the series wholesome and good, yes."
Oh good Lord! The AUTHOR said he was gay! The fact that no one who read the books knew he was gay is telling. Gay people are just like everyone else in how they go about their daily lives. They have jobs. They have problems. They like socks. They have heterosexual friends. They can be good mentors. There is no all-inclusive "gay lifestyle." They are people just like YOU.
he is gay really??????
I'm gay for books, if you believe books to be male in nature.
ok not the anwser i was looking for but ok.
Justine wrote: "ok not the anwser i was looking for but ok."Your answer lies in 2 pages of this discussion or even a google search...why are YOU getting snarky?
Why are people so rude to each other here? Every stupid self-obsessed idiot on here tries to fill the role of moral dictator. Just let people comment...geez
Dakota wrote: "Why are people so rude to each other here? Every stupid self-obsessed idiot on here tries to fill the role of moral dictator. Just let people comment...geez"Yes, it's really a shame how rude people are to each other sometimes on this site! I can't get over some of the answers here. You should check page 1, did you see one of those "self obsessed idiots" decrying this entire topic as blasphemy? Lol right?
I admit that I was shocked when I learned that piece of information, but the shock was only momentarily. His sexual preferences do not change who he is as a character and how he has effected us as readers. In fact that detail makes me admire Rowling even more. She understands that in the world there are a lot of types of people. It does not do to ignore that. Throughout the series you are exposed to a cocktail of personalities and characters. Only a truly talented writer and create characters with such complicity.
This detail also helps you understand the hardship of what Dumbledore had to go through with Grindlewald (sp?)
This thread breeds hate...let's just stop and be nice.
Dakota wrote: "Let's just please be nice to each other. It's not my fault no one loves you. Let's not take out our personal frustration on each other."How old are you? 12?
Mary wrote: "Dakota wrote: "Let's just please be nice to each other. It's not my fault no one loves you. Let's not take out our personal frustration on each other."How old are you? 12?"
Did you edit that? Why add words?
Gotta be careful when you take 2 hours to change your mind about a post on a busy thread Dakota. Anyway you can highroad it if you'd like, I wanted to comment on something Michael was saying about how there were more signs of Draco being gay than Dumbledore.
Now I can't say that I read either character as being Gay so it's hard for me to say which seems moreso to me but I think the Dumbledore/Grindlewald story makes perfect sense and in fact I always saw an odd sort of nuance there while reading about them I just never knew quite what it was. Dumbledore's firm belief in love across the whole series I guess made it seem more natural for a 17 year old to be so affectionate with a friend.
i didnt ever relize he was gay
Kamalika wrote: "you can create your own version of student teacher interaction based on that fact if you want.... "Why would Dumbledore's interaction with students be any different just because he's gay? He's gay, not a pedophile.
As to the main topic, even though it never occurred to me that Dumbledore was gay while reading the series, once that announcement came out, it kind of made perfect sense. Someone with Dumbledore's intelligence, prestigious job and mad wizarding skills would have no problem attracting the ladies so his being gay expalins why he never had a wife and family of his own. Also, it totally explains the entire Grindelwald thing in the final book. Without his being in love with Grindelwald, Dumbledore's actions in that situation really don't make any sense. And I don't think there's any "consequence" to him being gay. He just is gay, there's all their really is to it.
I never questioned Dumbledore's sexuality. As others have said, it was not relevant to the story. But Dumbledore being in love with Grindewald does make sense.
I don't understand how people can say it didn't affect the story. I thought it lent great insight into his motiviations, if nothing else but by raising questions. Dumbledore was self admittedly very much influenced by his passiions (in his youth). If he /was/ in love with Grindewald, how did that affect his judgement in the events leading to his sister's death?
I'm straight but ever since I turned 26 very little I do is motivated by my sexuality.
Jose wrote: "I don't understand how people can say it didn't affect the story. I thought it lent great insight into his motiviations, if nothing else but by raising questions. Dumbledore was self admittedly v..."I think that has a great deal to do with how guilty he felt about Ariana's death, add the shame of being a very great fool to betraying someone for a love that went on to betray you...it makes it much worse.
I agree it would make it worse, but for the purposes of the story, knowing he was involved in his sister's death in any manner whatsoever, is enough for us to be moved by the whole thing. His orientation and lost love was not the main motivation of his regret, just a quiet layer of the pain and not vital to understanding the situation as something to regret.
JulieLaLa wrote: "His supposed sexual orientation has no bearing on the story, so just read it and enjoy! Don't try to read something into it that isn't there."It isn't clear in the stories (or relevant to them), but Voldemort WAS gay.
Margarita wrote: "This discussion topic should be deleted
because its stupid and a little offensive to those who are gay/lesbians. There weren't any consequences caused by Dumbledore being gay. His sexuality di..."
I agree, this topic should be deleted. How the hell is Dumbledore being gay have 'consequences'? Wow. =/
It IS canon, he IS gay and was in love with Grindlewald, what should it matter to you if the character was gay or not? Why should some so trivial as sexual orientation shock you so much? *rolls eyes*
Dellie wrote:It isn't clear in the stories (or relevant to them), but Voldemort WAS gay."
When did this happen? I totally missed JKR announcing that.
Who cares if Dumbledore's gay? Honestly, Rowling should have made it obvious or at least some clues that she really want people to think it is. Revealing it out of the blue just made it ridiculous. I mean.. it wasn't necessary isn't it?
Necessary? No, of course not. However, the challenge for any author is to give a character depth. Dumbledore, to me, was and is a great mystery. So powerful, so respected, so little is known. Yes, we get a synopsis of his life's story, but really not a lot of depth. He's a mover and a shaker behind the scenes, as it were. Rowling could write a book series about what we don't know about Dumbledore. For me, the point wasn't that he's gay, the point was that we still know so little about him.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7053982.stmhttp://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/200...
Rowling never made a big deal of it, she announced it when prompted by a fan and made sure the 6th movie left out a fabricated lost female love. Please read her quotes in these articles.
She didn't just turn up one day after all the books were out and said "Hey! Hey you! Fanbase! Listen up! Dumbledore was gay so if you didn't read him that way you'd better start because I expect you all to accept this in the books even though I never made it clear. I repeat, this is NOT simply the way I imagined him while I wrote the book and I absolutely do expect you to adhere to this new rule I made up just now!"
Here's a simple test:Ask yourself: "What is the consequence of Dumbledore being heterosexual?"
If the answer is "nothing," then there is no consequence regarding his orientation.
It has no bearing on anything whatsoever.
Okay, that's crap. Dumbledore is wonderful and HE IS NOT GAY. YOU HAVE GOT IT WRONG. Dumbledore is a perfectly respectable normal human being. No exceptions. And I think that he + McGonnagol would be cute. ;)
JK said it herself in an interview. Also, people who are gay are respectable and normal human beings, too. And McGonnagal was married to a muggle.
Jeni wrote: "JK said it herself in an interview. Also, people who are gay are respectable and normal human beings, too. And McGonnagal was married to a muggle."
I agree with everything you said. Except Minerva never married the muggle. She loved him but ended up leaving him and never married.
Gretchen wrote: "Jeni wrote: "JK said it herself in an interview. Also, people who are gay are respectable and normal human beings, too. And McGonnagal was married to a muggle."
I agree with everything you said..."
Wait I double checked and she did marry another wizard. However, he died.
You're right. She loved a muggle, but didn't marry him. Her husband was indeed a wizard named Elphinstone Urquart and he died three years later from a venomous tentacular bite.
I kind of feel like JK only threw it in so it looked like she was being tolerant and modern, when it had no bearing on the story so people couldn't get offended by it and write her angry letters.If he's going to be gay, let him be gay. Show some evidence. Hell, show evidence of any other gay couple anywhere in the book.
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Do you mean the actor of book character?