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message 1: by RandomAnthony (new)

RandomAnthony | 14536 comments I was thinking about a few other posts that involved telling lies...I have some questions.

1. When, if ever, is it ok to tell lies?
2. What lies have hurt you?
3. What lies have you told? Were you caught?
4. Are you a good liar?
5. Anything else?

I'll answer later...I have to work out now (no, really, I'm telling the truth:))


message 2: by Jessica (new)

Jessica (jesstrea) I'm a good liar. Therefore I try not to employ this method...only for a true emergency. what constitutes that? well, I gotta go work out now! : )
I'll think on it & write later on.


message 3: by [deleted user] (new)

I used to be a great liar, but eventually the guilt, and trying to remember what I said wore me down. So now unless it is to spare some ones feelings, I tell the truth, and can sleep like a baby at night.


Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) The only time I really think lying is ok is when it involves an opinion. Like when someone asks u does this look good on me? and u really think its hideous but don't want to hurt their feelings.
But I also think that perhaps in times where a lie could save a life then maybe it would be ok. After all, in the Bible, Rahab, the woman in Jericho, lied to save the "spies".


message 5: by Gåry! (new)

Gåry! (garyneill) I'm lying right now.



message 6: by RandomAnthony (new)

RandomAnthony | 14536 comments Oh, shit, I never answered. I stopped working out, don't worry. It's the truth.

I'm a very good liar, although I think I'm slipping as I get older. I value the truth more.

My parents were huge in the "don't talk about it and it'll go away" camp growing up, so I want to talk through most things, probably to a fault. And that usually requires the truth.


message 7: by Sarah (new)

Sarah (songgirl7) I never lie.


message 8: by [deleted user] (new)

Lying = Life.

I am not sleeping with inappropriate men.


Jackie "the Librarian" | 8991 comments I don't lie, but I don't always say the whole truth.


message 10: by Cyril (new)

Cyril I use the truth to deceive.


message 11: by Lori (new)

Lori I always tell people the truth if they ask how something looks on them! But it the nicest way possible.

I'm an excellent liar. Or used to be. The best lie is the simplest lie. I've pretty much stopped lying now. The truth is too important. But Jackie expressed it best, you needn't say the whole truth! And that is when it will ruin a surprise I have planned for someone.


message 12: by Leslie (new)

Leslie | 777 comments I try really hard not to lie. Because of the guilt. I usually end up going back and telling the person that I lied, which is very embarrassing and another good incentive not to do it. I try to answer opinion questions--the classic--how do I look in this? If the person is just an acquaintance and it really is a casual thing, I pick something I do like and comment on just that. Like, oh, that blue goes so good with your eyes! And leave out the part about how awful the dress looks. If the person is already wearing the thing, they can't change it anyway. If it's my mom, sister, close friend, daughter and they are considering a purchase and it isnt a done deal, I will tell them in the nicest way possible that I don't think the outfit is very flattering. Another tactic I've used when someone asks me a rude, personal question is to give a preposterous answer--Like how much do you make a year? Eight billion, give or take a couple of million. Or three dollars and eighty-three cents, by the way, could I borrow ten bucks? How old are you? 293, how old are you? You know I was so glad when the north won the civil war, I was rooting for the north, what side were you on, by the way? It works pretty good. And if they are oblivious enough to keep on, I finally just say, why are you asking me this?


message 13: by Sally, la reina (new)

Sally (mrsnolte) | 17373 comments Mod
This is an interesting overlap to the memoir/Frey/Oprah thread. I believe that lying is natural, human, instinctual and fine. It is the amount you lie to your self that is the problem. How do you get into situations where you might lie, anyway?


message 14: by Sally, la reina (new)

Sally (mrsnolte) | 17373 comments Mod
I always say when I'm lying, though. That's my concession.


message 15: by Leslie (new)

Leslie | 777 comments It feels terrible to be lied to and I don't trust someone who has lied to me. It takes a long time to get that trust back. I also don't want to be lied to "for my own good" or to protect me. I'm not six.


message 16: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) I always say when I'm lying, though. That's my concession.

But do you ever lie about saying you're lying?


message 17: by Sally, la reina (new)

Sally (mrsnolte) | 17373 comments Mod
No, Larry. That would be crossing the line.

I like your Homer avatar. It fits your sauciness lately.


message 18: by Meen (last edited Jan 02, 2009 06:35PM) (new)

Meen (meendee) | 1733 comments He is pretty damn saucy, isn't he?

Edit: SaucEy?


message 19: by Cyril (new)

Cyril Sauce-like?
Sauceous?


message 20: by [deleted user] (new)

I can lie easily and do all the time.


message 21: by Leslie (new)

Leslie | 777 comments Why? Why lie all the time--unless the statement of lying all the time is a lie.....Hmmmm
Does anyone remember the episode of Star Trek where there were two people, one who lied everytime he talked and one who always told the truth and they were identical and they had to ask a question, and if they believed the wrong answer they would all die or something, and Spock figured out the right answer using his powers of logical thinking. I'm real fuzzy on the details, but this discussion is reminding me of that episode.


message 22: by Sarah (new)

Sarah (songgirl7) That's a common brain bender question.

You enter a room with only two exits (the door you came in through is sealed). One exit is guarded by someone who can only lie. The other exit is guarded by someone who can only tell the truth. One exit leads to a painful, slow death. The other leads to paradise. How do you choose which door to take?


message 23: by [deleted user] (new)

I lie all the time because:

--When my mom calls and says, "What are you doing," I don't actually always want to tell her what I'm doing.
--When I want to take a sick day, but I'm not sick...HELLO!
--When my sister is freaked out by the world, I tell her idiotic things that I know will make her feel better.
--When my students ask me personal questions. They can get really personal. Rather than give them a lecture about what questions are too personal, I say, "Oh my life is boring. You don't want to hear about it." and that's a lie because my life would be entertaining to them, probably.
--When someone asks me something I'm ashamed or embarrassed of, I'll deny it.

All good reasons, and only what popped off the top of my head.



message 24: by Sally, la reina (new)

Sally (mrsnolte) | 17373 comments Mod
All excellent reasons, Sarah. I totally agree. I lie for all those reasons and then some. It is part of me, and I often admit it when my lies will get me in trouble. For instance, I have a bad habit of just guesstimating an answer to something my students ask me, and then I will always go back and retract it if I've lied to them.


message 25: by Leslie (new)

Leslie | 777 comments Yeah, those are good reasons--I admit it! It's not really in the same category, but I used to work for this lady who had this heavy Chinese accent. And I got the REALLY BAD habit of saying "yeah" when she said something to me. One day she was eating a candy bar and she said something--didn't know what--and I said yeah. About five minutes later, my brain finally registered that what she said was, "I'm really so fat, I shouldn't be eatig this candy bar."
OPPPS! Like I said, Really bad habit!
By the way Sarah, how do you figure out the answer of what door to choose? I know there is a logical way to do it, but logic is not one of my strengths. So what's the answer?


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