NABable?

[Bennet]

Howdy. It appears Stan Tekiela (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...) has many audio CDs listed among the books he's written. Can someone NAB them?

[Lobstergirl]

I don't think they should be nabbed, because they come with 32-page booklets. Just like we wouldn't nab a book that came with a doll, or a book that came with a puzzle, etc.

[Mel]

Do you mean all the "Field Guide" books? Judging by the descriptions, they seem to be a book + Audio CD combo. I might be wrong.

[Cait]

It looks like the CD and the accompanying book get listed separately because they have individual ISBNs. I'm not actually sure what to do about that, though.

[Bennet]

Many of his field guides come as bundles with CDs, and then there are also separate entries for his field guides by themselves and also the CDs by themselves. I had been thinking the audio CDs should be nabbed, but I'm new to nabbing and throw myself on the experience of all the other librarians. It seems to me that if we allowed CDs to remain as books just because they have booklets there would be a lot more CDs on GR. Here is an example of an entry that on the face of it I wonder if it needs nabbing: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11... Thanks for your help and discussion in the fine art of determining how much writing a non-traditional "book" needs to merit an entry on GR, I see from other threads that it is a more complex issue than "CD vs book".

[Lobstergirl]

That's the reason I mentioned 32-page booklet, because that's not the same type of "booklet" that comes with a music CD that fits inside the CD case. Also, these bird CDs are clearly meant to go with the books that they are not listed with, whereas a music CD is generally not meant to go with any full-size book. If you buy the bird guide, you are probably going to want the CD of bird calls too.

[Bennet]

I would respectfully argue that since the CDs are offered either in a bundle or individually that when you buy the CDs by themselves you clearly don't want to buy the field guides. However, I agree that since the booklets clearly index with the field guides they are more book-like than run-of-the-mill CD booklets. Thanks for fine-tuning my understanding of NABing.

[❂ Murder by Death]

I've run across this entry and this one that seem to be a CD-ROM of art, with no reference on WorldCat to any copy/text (although one would presume there would be captions included with the art). I didn't see anything in the librarian manual NAB section that described this type of entry one way or the other so ...to NAB or not?

[rivka, Former Moderator]

I'd NAB 'em, and use the cool linky tool on the edit page (which only shows up when no one has shelved an item).

[Lobstergirl]

But....we don't normally NAB cd-roms.

[Lobstergirl]

From a review of American Visions:

"But what makes this disc special is video, audio, and written commentary by the artists, Neuberger, and critics, as well as text and photographs giving a social, political, and historical context for the work."

http://besser.tsoa.nyu.edu/impact/w95...

[❂ Murder by Death]

Ooo - I've been wanting to use that cool linky tool... I'll NAB the Egyptian one. Should there be further discussion on the American Visions entry per Lobstergirl's comment above?

[Lobstergirl]

Jennifer, if your finger weren't so itchy to pull the trigger I could have done a little more research on the Egyptian one too. I find it very unlikely that a CD-ROM is published without text commentary. They're usually multimedia.

[rivka, Former Moderator]

Lobstergirl wrote: "But....we don't normally NAB cd-roms."

Not when they contain ebooks. That's not really what these are. These are essentially videos with some additional bits.

[❂ Murder by Death]

I'm sorry you think my finger is itchy. I was simply following Rivka's opinion, which, as far as I'm concerned, is the paramount one.

ETA: Rivka - so should the American Visions one be NAB'd as well?

[❂ Murder by Death]

I'll also ask for clarification on this book of days. Falls between journal/calendar but could find no information on publishers site about it and WorldCat has it as "Pictoral Works".

[rivka, Former Moderator]

I would NAB both of those, yes.

[❂ Murder by Death]

Cool - thanks! (feeling a little unsure at the moment...)

ETA: Can't NAB American Visions - Lobstergirl added it to TBR.

[rivka, Former Moderator]

I worry much more about NABing an item when users have shelved it. If no one has shelved it, and it's borderline, I'm for NABing it. (We do have the ability to unNAB something if a user comes looking for it at a later date. Happens rarely, but occasionally.)

Also, the directive from higher up has been to NAB more questionable items (assuming unshelved), not less. The focus of the site is books.

[❂ Murder by Death]

Thanks. That helps moving forward. The Chronicle publishing book list has quite a few stationary sets, diaries, etc. and I don't want to have to keep asking. :P

I'll leave American Visions, above, to you.

[❂ Murder by Death]

One that isn't on the list, but I see arguments for both: Museum Exhibition Catalogues?

ETA: this one. Cuz I'm guessing you'll want an example. ;)

[rivka, Former Moderator]

I think we've usually kept those as books.

[Lobstergirl]

Those always have essays in them. I've never seen one without essays.

[❂ Murder by Death]

rivka wrote: "I think we've usually kept those as books."

Cool. Glad I made the updates I could then. :)

[Nenangs]

What about this book:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15...
I suspected it's not a book.

Search by ISBN13:
http://www.google.co.id/search?q=9780...

what's a dumpbin?

[rivka, Former Moderator]

A dumpbin is a type of book display. NAB'd.

[Vicky]

Does anyone know about these types of 'books'?

Harlequin Super Romance 04/97: 734, 735, 736, 737
Harlequin Temptation 04/97: 629, 630, 631, 632
Harlequin American Romance, January 1997

I've found a ton by Harlequin and a ton from Silhouette, some prepacks I've already NABbed share similar title structure, so I'm assuming these can safely be NABed, but I want to double check first!

[Lobstergirl]

I don't know anything about them, but they certainly appear to be some kind of prepack.

[❂ Murder by Death]

Vicky wrote: "Does anyone know about these types of 'books'?

Harlequin Super Romance 04/97: 734, 735, 736, 737
Harlequin Temptation 04/97: 629, 630, 631, 632
Harlequin American Romance, January 1997

I've found..."

Vicky - these might be those collections you can buy in a box set? I searched Harlequin Super Romance #734, 35, 36, 37 - they are all titles in that series...

Just a hunch I had...

[Lobstergirl]

Legitimate box sets will have their own ISBN, though, and people will be able to shelve them based on the titles within. These are numbered, not titled, so no one would know to shelve them, if they were a proper box set.

If anyone has actually shelved anything Vicky linked to, that would be a sign that someone shelved it by ISBN. When people misshelve something like a copy display or a dump bin, they're shelving by title rather than ISBN.

[Vicky]

I wondered that too, but I can't find any information on a set anywhere.

Also, some of the obvious prepacks I've already NABed have titles like:

Harlequin American Romance March-1994 16 Copy Prepak
Harlequin Temptation, November 1995-16 Copy Prepack
Silhouette Desire Prepak 12/98: 1183, 1184, 1185, 1186, 1187, 1188
Silhouette Intimate Moments Prepak 12/98: 895, 896, 897, 898, 899, 900

They're awfully similar.

[❂ Murder by Death]

So maybe a display meant for only those titles... You both give compelling evidence for NAB'ing, but I'm a NAB'ing newbie so I'll bow out now. :)