Fifty Shades of Grey
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How old should someone be to read this book?
So i finished the first book and began the second. What is unhealthy is how Ana breaks up and then five days after fully goes back to him again. But on that note, you can't say no to your soul mate.
Mari wrote: "Anna wrote: "Darnelle wrote: "I do completely agree with Victoria. These books do not show real love. And If I coould go back and change that I read the books, I wouldn't. Because it only taught me..."Not true. Rob & Kristin were dating and only after the scandal publicly admitted it. When you are in a relationship, married or not, cheating is simply against the rules of love. I have an aunt who has three kids, and isn't married- and her boyfriend is a magnificent dad, and yes, they live together- you don't have to marry someone to love someone and in turn respect them.
Mari wrote: "Anna wrote: "Claudia wrote: "I feel like you can read it at any age and still be really confronted by the intense sex scenes. I'm also 16 and I got it, not knowing it was an BDSM erotica. I was fin..."Thank you. :3
i dont know what to do and well i just buy the book 1 set.... cause i see it was the bestseller and then my cousin found out i buy the book and my mum would take the book from me tommorrow.... would someone tell me bout it more... i mean im 14... is it good for age as me?
Eina wrote: "i dont know what to do and well i just buy the book 1 set.... cause i see it was the bestseller and then my cousin found out i buy the book and my mum would take the book from me tommorrow.... woul..."If your mother would take the book from you, then you need to tell her you have already bought it. Lying to parents is never a good idea.
Eina wrote: "i dont know what to do and well i just buy the book 1 set.... cause i see it was the bestseller and then my cousin found out i buy the book and my mum would take the book from me tommorrow.... woul..."why do you want to read the book?
is it because all your friends are reading it?
what kinds of books do you read now?
is this drastically different then what you read now?
can you wait a few years, cause the book will still be around?
Enjoy being a kid..it passes way too quickly..I don't believe in censorship of reading material, but i also don't feel you have to read this book. I enjoyed the trilogy very much, but I am an adult with many years behind me, and i would love to have my childhood back..how bout you live what i can no long have.
Anna wrote: "Florence wrote: "Mary wrote: "Florence wrote: "When I said sadistic I meant as in he enjoys inflicting pain on others. Those books teach us a lesson or what a great literary work it is. This book i..."That's really the school. My school educated us on like everything. We where shown all types of conception. And I bunch of other crap. I also think parents should take it upon themselves to educate the kid. I know when I have a kid I'm going to educate it. The school can teach you everything there is to know but that doesn't mean you'll listen.
Mary wrote: "Florence wrote: "I wasn't talking about torture anywhere. I was talking about Sadism. The enjoyment of hurting other people. I never said it was ohkay, I was saying younger kids shouldn't be readin..."The message of the book doesn't matter when the contents are bad. You can put it anyway you want it's still not healthy for younger kids especially for 14 year old kids.
Florence wrote: "The message of the book doesn't matter when the contents are bad. You can put it anyway you want it's still not healthy for younger kids especially for 14 year old kids."
So you would say a 14 year old should never read A Diary for Anne Frank, right? Only happy, uplifting, books ever for this age bracket? It is not healthy for teens not to know anything about their bodies. It is not healthy for young teens to be unprepared for for partners who might be abusive because they have never heard that this might happen. If those boys who were raped by Jerry Sandusky had acquired a little more knowledge about pedophiles, he might not have gotten away with it for so long. There are different ways to protect children, but keeping them in the dark is rarely the best way to go about it.
Mary wrote: "Florence wrote: "The message of the book doesn't matter when the contents are bad. You can put it anyway you want it's still not healthy for younger kids especially for 14 year old kids."
So you ..."
I'm not saying their books have to be happy. I just don't think they need to be reading all about SEX. The book was written to entertain not teach kids about sex. You can't give a fourteen year old a book like this and say "Here learn everything you need to know from this." You teach your kids about pedophiles.
I have never read Anne Frank so I can't argue that point. My school didn't have us read The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn until 11th Grade because of the language and the opinions in them. You can't have a child who is impressionable read something. With 50 Shades of Grey series they have sex lots of sex he tells her what he wants to do and uses words kids shouldn't know exist. I wouldn't want my 14 year daughter going around saying butt plug. Teach your kids to know right or wrong not have them read a book about BDSM.
Florence wrote: "I have never read Anne Frank so I can't argue that point. My school didn't have us read The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn until 11th Grade because of the language and the opinions in them. You can't have a child who is impressionable read something. With 50 Shades of Grey series they have sex lots of sex he tells her what he wants to do and uses words kids shouldn't know exist. I wouldn't want my 14 year daughter going around saying butt plug. Teach your kids to know right or wrong not have them read a book about BDSM. "So...you are saying sex is wrong and/or dirty? Sex is a biological imperative. The two main reasons that marriages fail are money and sex. I am not recommending these books for 14 year old teens. However, as I have previously stated...maturity matters much more than chronological age. SOME 14 year olds might be mature enough to read these books. SOME 30 year olds might not. By age 14 most kids have a very good idea what sex entails. Let's say that instead of a "butt plug" the story had a vibrator. Would that have been permissible? My kids are very well aware of what is right and wrong, thankyouverymuch. Making sex dirty, mystifying and off-limits is not helpful. Women are taught from early on that engaging in sex makes them sluts, whores, etc. (ironically men do not receive the same message). Then all of the sudden they get married and people expect that all of that socialization baggage miraculously disappears. Talking about sex or reading about sex is not the same thing as engaging in sex. I love murder mysteries and suspense. I have read a number of books with rape, mutilation and very graphic gore. This did not ever make me want to go out and commit these acts. If you are personally squeamish about sex, then these type of books are not for you. But please do not attempt to be the book police for everyone.
I think the book is for ADULTS. The irony in that is my 80 year old mother is reading it!
Lauren wrote: "I think the book is for ADULTS. The irony in that is my 80 year old mother is reading it!"Thats cool - that would be an opinion i would like to hear about when she's done
Old enough to control the urge! ^^
I agree it is what you are used to......when I was young my parents did not care what I read as long as I read, so at 14 I was reading heavy duty sex scenes.......I would have read this at 16 and I think been okay with it- but that is from a perspective of a lifetime of reading- I am in my late 50's- and have likely read over 5000 books.....and quite frankly in my career, have seen some stuff more disturbing than this kind of sex......
Depends how mature you are mentally.
Definitely not for a teenager.
I'm 21 and I was absolutely scandalized. But after the shock, it levels out. It's certainly a book that requires preparation before hand. I think, after reading what others have said about bondage etc, if you're not frightened, you can. But if you're doubting whether or not you're ready, trust your instincts.
Lily wrote: "I'm younger than you and I started reading it not knowing what the main idea of the book was. The description doesn't indicate any of the nasty stuff that goes on in that book! Seriously, I'm scarr..."I completely agree with you.
Anyone who likes this book-- even to the smallest degree-- must be fooling themselves into thinking there's anything worth liking or enjoying when it comes to the content of this book, because I can't comprehend the fact that some people would actually defend it or enjoy it. This book is disgusting, and you should be disgusted with yourselves for actually liking it. Don't you understand that Fifty Shades of Grey is just printed PORN?
Effy wrote: "Anyone who likes this book-- even to the smallest degree-- must be fooling themselves into thinking there's anything worth liking or enjoying when it comes to the content of this book, because I ca..."Well maybe some folks like that......I did not see the book as porn...but you are entitled to you opinion
To each their own Effy. I felt this series was among the best I've read and it wasn't because of the sex.
Effy wrote: "Anyone who likes this book-- even to the smallest degree-- must be fooling themselves into thinking there's anything worth liking or enjoying when it comes to the content of this book, because I ca..."Paris (kerbytejas) wrote: "Effy wrote: "Anyone who likes this book-- even to the smallest degree-- must be fooling themselves into thinking there's anything worth liking or enjoying when it comes to the content of this book,..."
I read the whole series and enjoyed it! I did not see this book as porn but you can have your own opinion. Alot of people have read it, but I would not recommend it to anyone under 18. It is an Adult fiction/fantasy book and to be read as just that.
I've probably said this before, but while I don't mind sex (I have no problems either reading books with BDSM and another series I like is about 2 gay guys) in a book, originally I had decided not to read them because of all of the negative things I'd heard about it. Then I ended up with a copy of the first one and after reading it had to immediately go out and buy the others. And I loved them, in fact a lot of people I've talked to have said the same thing.
Im 16 and read this and i thought it was fine. I loved this book! It was a little creepy knowing that my mom read this book but i think 16 year olds are okay to read this book. Its not as bad as a lot of the songs kids listen to these days
Effy wrote: "Anyone who likes this book-- even to the smallest degree-- must be fooling themselves into thinking there's anything worth liking or enjoying when it comes to the content of this book, because I ca..."Sorry...anyone giving 5 stars to Twilight has very little influence on me as far as literature goes.
I understand that Mary. Twilight is a series that just just interest me at all. And what one person thinks about a book isn't necessarily what another thinks. To each their own.
Nancy wrote: "I understand that Mary. Twilight is a series that just just interest me at all. And what one person thinks about a book isn't necessarily what another thinks. To each their own."My response to Effy was after I looked at the books she had rated. Not exactly a list filled with classics. I have this thing against people making a personal disparagement against others based on their reading choices. As you said Nancy...to each their own.
I meant to say that the Twilight series just doesn't interest me at all.
Nancy wrote: "I meant to say that the Twilight series just doesn't interest me at all."I figured that out. ;o)
Lily wrote: "I'm younger than you and I started reading it not knowing what the main idea of the book was. The description doesn't indicate any of the nasty stuff that goes on in that book! Seriously, I'm scarr..."I agree I read it as a way to counter my mother and was sick to my gut during those antifeminist and BDSM "playstyle"
If I had a 16 year-old I wouldn't let her read it. On the other hand, if I WERE the 16 year-old, I'd get a copy of it without my mother knowing. Just saying. :p
Teri wrote: "If I had a 16 year-old I wouldn't let her read it. On the other hand, if I WERE the 16 year-old, I'd get a copy of it without my mother knowing. Just saying. :p"LOL. At least, you are honest.
Mary wrote: "Nancy wrote: "I understand that Mary. Twilight is a series that just just interest me at all. And what one person thinks about a book isn't necessarily what another thinks. To each their own."My ..."
Mary,
I'l have you know, I've read many classics, most probably many more than you have. Also, I am able to judge this book because anyone can see it shouldn't even be a book. Someone like you shouldn't be able to claim knowing anything about good, well-written literature either, if you like Fifty Shades of Grey, and you definitely should not be criticizing my choices of literature, which happened to be appropriate for my age.
Lisa wrote: "Just wondering what you think the suitable age should be... I'm sixteen and I've heard that this book is really good but I'm not really sure if it's appropriate for someone of my age. I heard there..."I would say that you may want to read this book as I am in my late thrities and some of the sex senes made me nervous and blush.
I thinking..... Late Teens maybe... It's a VERY graphic book... defiantly not suited for kids or children.
Beth wrote: "I'm 18, and feel extremely embarrassed as my Mum is now reading it- knowing that I've read it, cringe. I'd definitely wouldn't read it at 16, it's very erm, graphic."Ha! I'm the same! My stepmom is wanting to read it...
...tension.
In my opinion, I think Mary is kicking up a fuss cuz if she had replied like Wanda or Paris did, it would be fine. But then she writes that she doesn't have much respect for a person's opinion of books if they like twilight... She also writes that she looked at Effy's books and critised it saying, "not exactly a list full of classics"
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And straight after that she says she has this "thing" against people judging others based on their reading choices. I think this is pretty hypocritical as she's been saying that Effy's opinion of Fifty Shades of Grey doesn't mean much to her (based on the fact she likes Twilight)
I have my own opinion on the book but that doesn't mean I won't dismiss other peoples' opinions, based on their reading preferences or otherwise. *sigh* Well done Wanda etc. for replying in a nice way, that's all I'm saying.
In my opinion, I think Mary is kicking up a fuss cuz if she had replied like Wanda or Paris did, it would be fine. But then she writes that she doesn't have much respect for a person's opinion of books if they like twilight... She also writes that she looked at Effy's books and critised it saying, "not exactly a list full of classics"
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And straight after that she says she has this "thing" against people judging others based on their reading choices. I think this is pretty hypocritical as she's been saying that Effy's opinion of Fifty Shades of Grey doesn't mean much to her (based on the fact she likes Twilight)
I have my own opinion on the book but that doesn't mean I won't dismiss other peoples' opinions, based on their reading preferences or otherwise. *sigh* Well done Wanda etc. for replying in a nice way, that's all I'm saying.
Thank you, book owl. I have to say though, I don't like Twilight as much as you think I do. Look for the most current Twilight discussion page that asks about why people hate Twilight, and see if you can find my post. It was just another book review and rating I never got around to fixing once I came back to the site-- not that my previous liking of Twilight has anything to do with my ability to form an opinion about any other books.
bookowl wrote: "In my opinion, I think Mary is kicking up a fuss cuz if she had replied like Wanda or Paris did, it would be fine. But then she writes that she doesn't have much respect for a person's opinion of books if they like twilight... She also writes that she looked at Effy's books and critised it saying, "not exactly a list full of classics"...
And straight after that she says she has this "thing" against people judging others based on their reading choices. I think this is pretty hypocritical as she's been saying that Effy's opinion of Fifty Shades of Grey doesn't mean much to her (based on the fact she likes Twilight)."
You are right and I apologize. I was TRYING to show how judging one's book tastes can feel. I don't particularly care if someone likes Twilight or not. My own rating of FSoG was pretty low. I am actually happy when people read just about ANYTHING because it means they are reading. I worked with children who had difficulty reading for a number of years. When their classmates criticized the books they liked to read, it made these students not want to read at all. So I would just ask people to think about how YOU would feel if someone judges your character, intelligence or taste based on one book you liked. Do unto others...
bookowl wrote: "...tension. In my opinion, I think Mary is kicking up a fuss cuz if she had replied like Wanda or Paris did, it would be fine. But then she writes that she doesn't have much respect for a person'..."
its fine to have an opinion - but in return for sharing your opinion you need to value other peoples opinions -
some people in this thread just want their voice heard and are not respectful of other's
if you liked the book - great - if not - great
what age should be allowed to read this book - anyone with the ability to read it, understand it and have a trusted person to discuss it with if questions arise.
I am against legislating "the right to read a book"
i believe you should have to be 18 years of age or older because of the content. It would only and could possibly give children under 18 years old the idea that this is okay to do and sex is for any age... NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!
I think that you shouldn't worry about what other people say, if it intrigues you, read it. Many have misconceptions that lead them to believe that if a young adult reads books such as this- they will go out and try out their freshly gained knowledge. No. I think this book will more or less make you aware of different types of sex the world has to offer; and while I was 17 when i read the trilogy, I'd recommend it to anyone 14+ because that's the age when we become most sex aware.
Kristina wrote: "I think that you shouldn't worry about what other people say, if it intrigues you, read it. Many have misconceptions that lead them to believe that if a young adult reads books such as this- they w..."I read "In Cold Blood" when I was about 15. I did not have the urge to go out and murder anyone. I read "Fear of Flying" by Erica Jong about the same time. No uncontrollable urge to have sex in an airplane. And I certainly did not want to have sex with a dog after reading "The Happy Hooker." Why do people believe that if you read about something you are going to automatically want to rush out and recreate the book? It is just silly in my opinion.
Mary wrote: "Kristina wrote: "I think that you shouldn't worry about what other people say, if it intrigues you, read it. Many have misconceptions that lead them to believe that if a young adult reads books suc..."Mary wrote: "Kristina wrote: "I think that you shouldn't worry about what other people say, if it intrigues you, read it. Many have misconceptions that lead them to believe that if a young adult reads books suc..."
mary and Kristina~ I looked beyond the sex because I feel that its more about 2 broken people. They have issues and can they overcome these? There have always been these books out by authors in the decades starting w/1970's. May be the sex was not as unusual but its a book. A choice to read. I think no one should read it if they have no previous experience in adult subject(s)I think the sex is the story within the story. I will have read all the series of this title and this is how I feel.
Very well said bookowl!!
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Actually, plenty of people who do love each other have affairs. its not a lack of respect, but restraint in most cases. However, the only one who cheated is Rupert. Single people can not cheat on each other. Neither Kristin nor Rob have any real reason to complain. They are not a married couple, thus no vows were broken.