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message 151: by Jordan (new)

Jordan Lahn (jwlahn) | 18 comments I also bought the Essential Reader's companion first day, and I use it to remind myself what happened in earlier books which I haven't read for nearly ten years. Actually just finished reading through the New Jedi Order summaries to help with context for Dark Nest. And the behind the scenes info about alternate story ideas, etc. was fascinating!


message 152: by Robert (new)

Robert (robet12) @Jeff The Reader's Companion is comprehensive, but it can't ever replace the books because . I think its better for people who may be interested in a particular series but don't wish to read the previous books to get the background context. With the guide, one can get the essential information of all that happened before the series and spend more time enjoying the series itself. Plus, most books can't be fully addressed in a couple of pages.


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Sinda Quietus (superwholockedtrekacrossthestars) | 17 comments I read Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi without reading The New Jedi Order. I didn't have the companion, however I looked up a summary for each NJO book online.


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Deeptanshu | 42 comments I read the Sw books in a rather haphazard way , basically I read whatever books I could get my hands on , but this did not diminish my enjoyment in any way.


message 155: by Jeff Diamond, Grand Moff (new)

Jeff Diamond | 178 comments Mod
Same here. I think it's kind of interesting to see how the web comes together.


message 156: by Deeptanshu (new)

Deeptanshu | 42 comments Jeff wrote: "Same here. I think it's kind of interesting to see how the web comes together."
Indeed. I have pretty much finished all the books in this series i felt I enjoyed it a lot more this way rather than reading them one after the other.
Though there were some series such as the Thrawn series that i wished I had read earlier.
Still each to his own.


message 157: by Kyle (new)

Kyle (emperor799) | 80 comments Allegiance & Choices of One are next up for me because, Zahn.

Then I'll probably go back to Legacy Era for Riptide & Mercy Kill.


message 158: by Robert (new)

Robert (robet12) Allegiance is a good one; very interesting introduction to a somewhat ironic group, in that they are stormtroopers fighting for justice. Still, it makes for an intriguing read.


message 159: by Jeff Diamond, Grand Moff (new)

Jeff Diamond | 178 comments Mod
Stormtroopers always fight for justice and order. All of you are just brainwashed by these rebel scum terrorists. Many of the truths we hold most dear depend greatly on our own point of view...


message 160: by Jordan (new)

Jordan Lahn (jwlahn) | 18 comments Yeah, I enjoyed that aspect of the Hand of Judgement duology. Many of the good guys are Imperial characters, but you get to see Imperials working to protect lives and preserve order. Its not just the stormtroopers: Mara Jade is hunting down corruption, even if she is doing it in palpatine's name. Even Thrawn in Choices is trying to defend innocent lives. Kudos to Zahn for adding dimension to the "evil Galactic Empire."


message 161: by Robert (new)

Robert (robet12) Jeff wrote: "Stormtroopers always fight for justice and order. All of you are just brainwashed by these rebel scum terrorists. Many of the truths we hold most dear depend greatly on our own point of view..."

But since the stormtroopers are just humans; they too can be corrupted whereas the clones were more likely to follow orders to their death. How many stormtroopers were keen to hesitate in the first charge of a hopeless battle? I wonder how much we could learn if we could actually interrogate the mind of a stormtrooper. Would we find brainwashing of loyalty to the Emperor or would we discover random thoughts like "I like pizza"?


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Deeptanshu | 42 comments Jeff wrote: "Stormtroopers always fight for justice and order. All of you are just brainwashed by these rebel scum terrorists. Many of the truths we hold most dear depend greatly on our own point of view..."

Well Stormtroopers have committed more atrocities than any of the so called rebel terrorists. Remember Alderaan!


message 163: by Jim (new)

Jim | 100 comments The stormtroopers didn't destroy alderaan, Tarkin did. If you read the Death Star novel, even several of the other Imperials involved had second thoughts after they realized the death star would actually be used.

Besides, most stormtroopers are just soldiers doing their job and following orders. Up until Alderraan, most of them probably thought they were fighting on the right side supporting liberty and justice.


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Deeptanshu | 42 comments James wrote: "The stormtroopers didn't destroy alderaan, Tarkin did. If you read the Death Star novel, even several of the other Imperials involved had second thoughts after they realized the death star would a..."
I did read that novel and yes there were a few people that had misgivings but aside from the protagonists not a single one of them did anything about it. I was just following orders is not an excuse.
Besides there are several other instances of stromtroopers and Imperials in general committing horrific acts during the rebellion.


message 165: by Jeff Diamond, Grand Moff (new)

Jeff Diamond | 178 comments Mod
Which history could be whitewashed by the Rebs if they didn't want their own misdeeds to be seen in the light of day.


message 166: by Deeptanshu (new)

Deeptanshu | 42 comments Its a big galaxy you cant cover up everything this is true for the Empire and for the Rebellion. The Empire failed to hunt down all the Jedi and suppress their teachings for example. So if the rebels had committed the same level of crimes as the Imperials, said crimes being well documented and indeed even being bragged about by many Imperial officers, it would have come out by now.


message 167: by Jeff Diamond, Grand Moff (new)

Jeff Diamond | 178 comments Mod
The last few comments have prompted me to create a new thread called "Psychology in the EU." It's in the ... General EU Stuff section. We can keep it up there.


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Jonny Blaze | 30 comments Greetings all, new to the group. I just finished Darth Plagueis. Disliked it. It was slow and plodding for far too much and the author seems to really like to use words that I actually had to look up several times.

I flew through Rogue Planet (taking intermittent breaks from Darth Plagueis). It was an interesting read, not bad...

Now I'm reading Outbound Flight. Simply loving it! Master C'baoth is as refreshing a character as my favourite; Qui-Gon Jinn!


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Sinda Quietus (superwholockedtrekacrossthestars) | 17 comments Outbound Flight is one of my favourite Star Wars books.


message 170: by Jeff Diamond, Grand Moff (new)

Jeff Diamond | 178 comments Mod
@Jonny: You're probably the only person I've ever heard say that you didn't like Darth Plagueis. But, different stokes for different folks...


message 171: by Jonny (new)

Jonny Blaze | 30 comments I enjoyed learning more and rounding out Palpatine's story. It was just the way James Luceno wrote it. It seemed very long winded and like he just enjoyed using obscure words and sentence structures. I majored in English and English Lit. In University. The reader shouldn't have to read sentences over and over trying to understand it, nor keep a dictionary/thesaurus nearby in modern literature.

However, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. :-/


message 172: by Jeff Diamond, Grand Moff (new)

Jeff Diamond | 178 comments Mod
I listened to it on audio, so maybe there's a small difference there. But still, I see your point.


message 173: by Jonny (new)

Jonny Blaze | 30 comments That is quite possible. I realized I felt the same way about Cloak of Deception, which he also wrote. Although, to a lesser degree. Probably because Qui-Gon Jinn was in it and being my favourite, made me a bit biased. LOL


message 174: by Jim (new)

Jim | 100 comments I just finished reading Revan. I didn't really care for it. I'm not a big fan of the Old Republic era so that didn't help. From what I understand from the Essential Readers guide, this book is basically a sequel to the Knights of the Old Republic game. Having not played the game, it was obvious from the start of the book that all the action/backstory had occurred somewhere else. It was a little annoying with the first half of the book constantly referring back to the "official" events of the game. I actually felt like Scourge was a more central character than Revan was despite the title of the book.

There were some other things I didn't care about the book. First, this book is set to take place over 3000 years before Star Wars: A New Hope yet things don't seem to have changed much. Coruscant is still described as it is in the movie era novels. Apparently, even 3000 years earlier, Coruscant was still the republic capital and a planet wide city. You'd think things might have changed over the course of a few millenia. Also, the sith are still being led by an Emperor and called Imperials with imperial guards wearing red uniforms just like in the movies. I just felt that taking place 3000 years earlier, so much would not be the same as it was in the movies.


message 175: by Jeff Diamond, Grand Moff (new)

Jeff Diamond | 178 comments Mod
Haven't read Revan yet, but you bring up some good points.

As for Coruscant being the galactic center of power, I think it goes back quite a bit further than those. When you look at the names of the sections of the galactic map--the Core, Colonies or the Expansion Regions--give us some explanation that its been the Center while the Republic was still expanding. Which would be long before these books would have come out.

As for the Sith Empire in TOR resembling the Galactic Empire in OT, I think we have to look at it from within the universe. When we do that, it'd be the other way around. Palpatine would want to connect with the glory days of the Sith Empire, along with all the bells, whistles and Red Guards.

Just my two cents.


message 176: by Jonny (new)

Jonny Blaze | 30 comments I enjoyed Revan. I haven't played KOTOR, so I used wookieepedia and my set of Star Wars Encyclopaedias to fill in details.


message 177: by Ian (new)

Ian | 4 comments I am currently working my way through Scoundrels. It's pretty good so far.Star Wars: Scoundrels


message 178: by Jordan (new)

Jordan Lahn (jwlahn) | 18 comments Not having played KOTOR, I'm hesitant to get into the Old Republic novels. Which sucks, cause I hear good things about them. Just finished reading the KOTOR comics though, so maybe I'll give it a try.

After reading Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi, of course...


message 179: by Sinda (new)

Sinda Quietus (superwholockedtrekacrossthestars) | 17 comments I've played KOTOR 1 and 2. Should I read the Old Republic books? Or do I have to play The Old Republic?


message 180: by Jeff Diamond, Grand Moff (new)

Jeff Diamond | 178 comments Mod
This is for both of you: you never really need to play a game to appreciate the books, particularly those from The Old Republic series. They were written in conjunction with the game, but they're separate enough that it won't make a big difference.


message 181: by Robert (new)

Robert (robet12) Plus, if you ever get confused by a certain reference, then there is always Wookieepedia to help us through (although Wookieepedia may not be the most reliable source)


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Brandon Boykin | 1 comments I just finished Outbound Flight and The Force Unleashed, I plan to move on to Spectre of the Past and The Force Unleashed II. I read the Thrawn Trilogy last year and immediately wanted to move to the Hand of Thrawn books, but almost immediately there were allusions to past events I didn't know about, so I ended up going back and reading a few books to fill in the blanks, as well as a few others that were unrelated. Now after Outbound Flight I'm ready for more Thrawn. Oh yeah I'm reading Mist Encounter because it was after the end of Outbound Flight in the kindle edition.


message 183: by Jody (new)

Jody | 19 comments Just got through with Scoundrels. Up next will be X-Wing: Mercy Kill or The Last Jedi.


message 184: by Robert (new)

Robert (robet12) Jody wrote: "Just got through with Scoundrels. Up next will be X-Wing: Mercy Kill or The Last Jedi."

What did you think of Scoundrels? Zahn seems to be losing his touch, according to the response for Choices of One.


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Jody | 19 comments Robert wrote: "Jody wrote: "Just got through with Scoundrels. Up next will be X-Wing: Mercy Kill or The Last Jedi."

What did you think of Scoundrels? Zahn seems to be losing his touch, according to the response..."


It was definitely a different type of Zahn Star Wars book - and actually a different type of Star Wars book. I think where it differed from Zahn's other Star Wars book is in scale. Zahn's other books took place on such a large scale - the guy created the basic foundation for the entire EU. Scoundrels is much smaller in scope. Its basically a heist story along the lines of Ocean's Eleven. I missed a lot of Zahn's creations - Thrawn, Palleon, Mara, etc. Like I said, it is much different from anything in the SW Universe. So different that at times it wouldn't feel connected to the rest of the SW universe if it were for some familiar characters. If you changed the names of those characters, you would never know it was in the SW universe and it wouldn't change the basic plot that much.

That being said, I enjoyed seeing the already familiar characters (Han, Chewie, Lando, etc) again. He does a pretty good job with voicing Han (although not as good as AC Crispin in the Han Solo Trilogy) and a superb job with Lando. The new characters were interesting enough, and there is nice little twist at the end. Overall I enjoyed the book.


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Jonny Blaze | 30 comments I'm looking forward to reading Scoundrels. It's 1 of the 3 books I bought last week. The other 2 being X-Wing: Mercy Kill and Lost Tribe of the Sith: The Collected Stories.

I just finished Outbound Flight, which I enjoyed immensely. I would love to find out what happened to the characters after the end.

I've just started Lost Tribe of the Sith. I'll let everyone know my thoughts in my review. :-)


message 187: by Jonny (new)

Jonny Blaze | 30 comments Will do! :-)


message 188: by Ian (new)

Ian | 4 comments I am trying to read Scoundrels but it is just not doing it for me. I love Zahn's other SW books I just can't seem to get in to this one. I guess I just need a weekend with nothing else going on to just sit down and finish it.

I also made it through the Fate of the Jedi books and I'm looking forward to the Crucible.

I have also seen the Lost Tribe of the Sith popping up around here quite a bit so maybe I will take a look at that next.


message 189: by Alli, Fleet Commander (new)

Alli (akwinot) | 148 comments Mod
Finally moved on to The Hutt Gambit.


message 190: by Jason (new)

Jason Sullivan | 6 comments Just started Riptide


message 191: by Sinda (new)

Sinda Quietus (superwholockedtrekacrossthestars) | 17 comments Riptide is one of my favourite books of all time.


message 192: by Robert (new)

Robert (robet12) Derrick wrote: "Started Annihilation last night. Enjoying it much more than I thought I would, based on the other Old Republic books I've read..."

I can't wait to start Annihilation. I enjoyed Revan, but Annihilation seems much more interesting.


message 193: by Alli, Fleet Commander (new)

Alli (akwinot) | 148 comments Mod
Decided against the Hutt Gambit and I am reading Rogue Squadron instead.


message 194: by Jordan (new)

Jordan Lahn (jwlahn) | 18 comments I just finished listening to the abridged audio book for Rogue Squadron, which is one of my favourite Star Wars books of all time, and while I enjoyed the sound effects and music I thought it was criminal they cut it down to 2.5 hours. Missed out on so much of the great character stuff I loved so much in the book.


message 195: by Jeff Diamond, Grand Moff (new)

Jeff Diamond | 178 comments Mod
That's one of the reasons I've not gotten any of the older EU books from Audible. They're all abridged. Good to know my position is founded.


message 196: by Alli, Fleet Commander (new)

Alli (akwinot) | 148 comments Mod
Hmmmm.
I don't understand how abridged audio books work... but that's just me. xD
I mean I get the concept, but I don't like it.


message 197: by Jordan (new)

Jordan Lahn (jwlahn) | 18 comments Yeah, I couldn't resist revisiting some of my favourite books, which I haven't read in probably fifteen years. In theory, being able to enjoy the book in a couple hours, rather than 10 or 12 hours, seems nice, but if I hadn't already read and enjoyed the full novel I certainly wouldn't have enjoyed the audiobook as much.


message 198: by Deeptanshu (new)

Deeptanshu | 42 comments I agree as well. I tried out a few audio books but its just not for me.


message 199: by Jeff Diamond, Grand Moff (new)

Jeff Diamond | 178 comments Mod
Some are quite good--I listened to Darth Plagueis, Scoundrels and Fatal Alliance, and all included sounds and music. I've got Deceived up next on the queue.


message 200: by Kyle (new)

Kyle (emperor799) | 80 comments I used the abridged audio book format to finish Planet of Twilight, which I couldn't force myself to continue reading.

I think Audible has unabridged Star Wars books my friend burned one to like 13 CDs, which hold 70 minutes of audio each, IIRC.


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