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message 451: by Ethan (last edited Sep 13, 2014 09:19AM) (new)

Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments Heinz wrote: "Ethan wrote: "Hi again! I'd also like to find a book about Hitler and/or the S.S. and/or the Third Reich. I know a lot about Hitler's dictatorship over Germany, but I don't really know lots about h..."

Thank you very much for the suggestion, Heinz!


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Colin Heaton (colin1962) | 2011 comments You may find my book Occupation and Insurgency of interest, I have interviews with SS men and officers regarding the killings in the east, and a comparative analysis on those actions and the laws of warfare. More on my website at Future Books also: www.lewisheatonbooks.com


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Heinz Kohler | 20 comments Thanks. I shall have a look.


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Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments Colin wrote: "You may find my book Occupation and Insurgency of interest, I have interviews with SS men and officers regarding the killings in the east, and a comparative analysis on those actions and the laws o..."

Thank you, Colin! Sounds good.


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Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments Hi again! New question: Does anyone know a good book in the Battle of Guadalcanal? I'm interested in learning about that battle and would like to find a good book on the subject. Thanks a lot!


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Tom | 81 comments Hi Ethan,
This books comes recommended...

Guadalcanal The Definitive Account of the Landmark Battle by Richard B. Frank by Richard B. Frank


message 457: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (last edited Sep 25, 2014 08:31PM) (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments Hi Ethan,

Tom has kindly recommended one book that has been deemed by many to be the definitive account of the Guadalcanal campaign.

Here are a few others that may also be of interest:

Guadalcanal Starvation Island by Eric Hammel and Guadalcanal The Carrier Battles by Eric Hammel by Eric Hammel

Guadalcanal Decision at Sea The Naval Battle of Guadalcanal by Eric Hammel by Eric Hammel

Hell�s Islands The Untold Story of Guadalcanal by Stanley Coleman Jersey Hell�s Islands: The Untold Story of Guadalcanal by Stanley Coleman Jersey

Challenge for the Pacific Guadalcanal The Turning Point of the War by Robert Leckie Challenge for the Pacific: Guadalcanal: The Turning Point of the War by Robert Leckie


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Geevee | 3811 comments One from me to add to the excellent recommendations Ethan - this is the official US Navy history but don't be put off as it is very readable:

History of US Naval Operations in WWII 5 Struggle for Guadalcanal 8/42-2/43 by Samuel Eliot Morison History of US Naval Operations in WWII 5: Struggle for Guadalcanal 8/42-2/43 by Samuel Eliot Morison


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Colin Heaton (colin1962) | 2011 comments All of those books are good reads


message 460: by Ethan (last edited Sep 26, 2014 11:13AM) (new)

Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments @Tom Thanks! That book sounds great.

@AussieRick That looks like a good selection. Thanks a lot!

@Geevee Thanks Geevee! That one sounds good, too.

@Colin Good! I'm glad....


message 461: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (last edited Oct 03, 2014 04:46PM) (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments One of our newer members, Stacy, has made this request:

Hi everyone,
I am interested in learning more about Japan attacking the Philippines at the start of WW2. Does anyone have any recommendations? I am reading: "Ghost Soldiers: The Epic Account of World War II's Greatest Rescue Mission".


Any suggestions or recommendations?


message 462: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (last edited Oct 03, 2014 04:55PM) (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments One book that I enjoyed on the early campaigns in the Philippines was this book:


Corregidor The American Alamo of World War II by Eric Morris Corregidor: The American Alamo of World War II by Eric Morris
Description:
Told in the voices of the soldiers, doctors, and nurses who were the untested but valiant defenders of Corregidor, the tiny island fortress of Generals Macarthur and Wainwright; Corregidor is the remarkable history of forty American and Filipino survivors. Before Pearl Harbor, American servicemen in the Philippines led a life of colonial ease. But from December 1941 to May 1942, defeated and humiliated by the Japanese and deceived by Washington, they fought and dies to buy America some desperately needed time to regroup and respond to the Japanese onslaught in the Pacific.

I also have a copy of this book to read:

Undefeated America's Heroic Fight for Bataan and Corregidor by Bill Sloan Undefeated: America's Heroic Fight for Bataan and Corregidor by Bill Sloan
Description:
Based on exclusive interviews with more than thirty survivors, Undefeated tells the courageous story of the outnumbered American soldiers and airmen who stood against invading Japanese forces in the Philippines at the beginning of World War II, and continued to resist through three harrowing years as POWs.

Bill Sloan, "a master of the combat narrative" (Dallas Morning News), captures the valor, fortitude, and agony of the American defenders of the Philippines. Abandoned by their government, the men and women of the U.S. garrison battled hopeless military odds, rampant disease, and slow starvation to delay the inevitable surrender of the largest American military force ever. For four months they fought toe to toe against overwhelming enemy numbers—and forced the Japanese to pay a heavy cost in blood for every inch of ground they gained on the Bataan peninsula. After the surrender came the infamous Bataan Death March, where up to eighteen thousand American and Filipino prisoners died or were murdered as they marched sixty-five miles under the most hellish conditions imaginable.

Rather than picturing these defenders as little more than helpless victims of a powerful and sadistic enemy—as have most previous books about the Philippine campaign—Undefeated tells the full story of the remarkable courage and indomitable will that cost the Japanese invaders thousands of casualties on Bataan and Corregidor. Interwoven throughout this gripping narrative are the harrowing personal experiences of dozens of American soldiers, airmen, and Marines. Sloan also provides vivid portraits of the officers who led the American forces, such as General Douglas MacArthur, who escaped to Australia as the situation on Bataan worsened, and General Jonathan Wainwright, who succeeded him as top U.S. commander in the Philippines and himself became a prisoner of the Japanese.

Undefeated chronicles one of the great sagas of World War II—and celebrates a resounding triumph of the human spirit.


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Nooilforpacifists (nooil4pacifists) | 97 comments Ethan/Geevee,

As much as I recommend the Morrison (I've read most of the Pacific volumes of his series) he wasn't allowed to discuss code breaking--so the account is incomplete. The first volume of Ian Toll's projected Pacific Naval trilogy -- called "Pacific Crucible" -- covers Pearl Harbor to Midway, and so the period of interest. It's masterful.

There isn't a week I don't check for volume two.


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Manray9 | 4785 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "One book that I enjoyed on the early campaigns in the Philippines was this book:


Corregidor The American Alamo of World War II by Eric Morris [book:Corregidor: The American Alamo of World W..."


Take Sloan's book with a dose of salt: Check Out:

https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...


message 465: by Positive Kate (new)

Positive Kate | 88 comments Thank you for the great information!


message 466: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments Thanks for the link to your review Manray9, I might have to put that book a bit further back in the pile now :)


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A.L. Sowards | 500 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "One of our newer members, Stacy, has made this request:

Hi everyone,
I am interested in learning more about Japan attacking the Philippines at the start of WW2. Does anyone have any recommendatio..."


While not focused just on the fall of the Philippines, I enjoyed We Band of Angels: The Untold Story of American Nurses Trapped on Bataan by the Japanese We Band of Angels The Untold Story of American Nurses Trapped on Bataan by the Japanese by Elizabeth M. Norman . You might not want it to be the only book you read about the campaign, but if you're looking to read a few books, I recommend it.


message 468: by Positive Kate (new)

Positive Kate | 88 comments Thanks A.L.,
I've been meaning to read that book for years, but I have forgotten about it. Indeed to order the nurses book ASAP.


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Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments Nooilforpacifists wrote: "Ethan/Geevee,

As much as I recommend the Morrison (I've read most of the Pacific volumes of his series) he wasn't allowed to discuss code breaking--so the account is incomplete. The first volume ..."


Okay. Will check it out. Thanks!


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Geevee | 3811 comments Nooilforpacifists wrote: "Ethan/Geevee,

As much as I recommend the Morrison (I've read most of the Pacific volumes of his series) he wasn't allowed to discuss code breaking--so the account is incomplete. The first volume ..."


Thanks Nooilforpacifists that looks one for me.


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Geevee | 3811 comments Stacy wrote: "Thank you for the great information!"

Hi Stacy this is one I want to read and I thought it might be of interest to you too;
We Band of Angels The Untold Story of the American Women Trapped on Bataan by Elizabeth Norman We Band of Angels: The Untold Story of the American Women Trapped on Bataan by Elizabeth Norman


message 472: by Ethan (last edited Oct 15, 2014 03:52PM) (new)

Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments Hi all!

Last night I watched the movie, The Frogmen. I'm not crazy about the film, but I do want to learn more about the UDT (Underwater Demolition Team, the precursor to the Navy Seals). Anyone got some good ideas on books about them?

Oh, and by the way, I read an autobiography a while ago about a Jew in the Holocaust who was the main assistant to a concentration camp commander while spying on him at the same time. I don't remember the commander's name, though. I know that in the book it mentioned Oskar Schindler in it. I forgot the title of the book and if anyone knows it, please shout it out because I'd like to read the book again.

Thanks for the help everyone!


message 473: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments Hi Ethan,

I have heard good things about this book but I have not read it myself:

Water Is Never Cold (H) by James Douglas O'Dell Water Is Never Cold by James Douglas O'Dell
Description:
The Water Is Never Cold is a ground-breaking study of the birth of the U.S. Navy's combat demolition teams. Naval Combat Demolition Units (NCDUs) and Underwater Demolition Teams (UDTs), little-known predecessors of the Navy SEALs, played a crucial role in the Pacific and European theaters during World War II. As the vanguard for amphibious assaults, they were tasked with beach reconnaissance, depth sounding, and clearing obstacles, mines, and unexploded ordnance so the troops could land - all while exposed to enemy fire. Their work was as hazardous as it was indispensable O'Dell's history is based on painstaking archival research and inter-views with numerous veterans of the NCDUs and the UDTs, plus the people who influenced their development - the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Amphibious Scouts and Raiders, among others. He details the historical precedents that influenced the teams, as well as their innovation and experimentation with tactics, methods, and equipment. The reader will follow the NCDUs and the UDTs from their gruelling training regimen through several of their key combat missions during the war. If not for the skilful work of these brave men, the successful landings at Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Normandy, and other critical battlefields might have been impossible.


message 474: by Ethan (new)

Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Hi Ethan,

I have heard good things about this book but I have not read it myself:

Water Is Never Cold (H) by James Douglas O'Dell Water Is Never Cold by [author:James Douglas O'Dell|422181..."


That sounds perfect! Thanks again, Rick!


message 475: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments My pleasure Ethan :)


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Colin Heaton (colin1962) | 2011 comments RADM Lyon created them, and he still lives in southern CA


message 477: by Positive Kate (new)

Positive Kate | 88 comments I started reading the book recommended by A.L. and Geevee last night. It's has the information that I've needed to start my research. Thanks!

We Band of Angels: The Untold Story of American Nurses Trapped on Bataan by the Japanese


message 478: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3811 comments Very pleased it has some value for research - and hopefully a good read too - Stacy.


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Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments Colin wrote: "RADM Lyon created them, and he still lives in southern CA"

Really? He's still alive? That's amazing! Man, you have some amazing tidbits of information.

Oh, and by the way, Colin, I saw your name in the back of A Higher Call: An Incredible True Story of Combat and Chivalry in the War-Torn Skies of World War II. I was amazed! Good on you. I also really enjoyed that book.


message 480: by Ethan (new)

Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments Stacy wrote: "I started reading the book recommended by A.L. and Geevee last night. It's has the information that I've needed to start my research. Thanks!

[book:We Band of Angels: The Untold Story of American ..."


That book looks good, Stacy. I've been hearing a lot about it. I think I'm going to have to read it too!


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A.L. Sowards | 500 comments Ethan wrote: "Hi all!

Last night I watched the movie, The Frogmen. I'm not crazy about the film, but I do want to learn more about the UDT (Underwater Demolition Team, the precursor to the Navy Seals). Anyone g..."


Hi Ethan,

You might want to look into this one too (when it's released):
First SEALs: The Untold Story of the Forging of America�s Most Elite Unit First SEALs The Untold Story of the Forging of America�s Most Elite Unit by Patrick K. O'Donnell


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A.L. Sowards | 500 comments Stacy wrote: "I started reading the book recommended by A.L. and Geevee last night. It's has the information that I've needed to start my research. Thanks!

[book:We Band of Angels: The Untold Story of American ..."


Glad it has the information you need!


message 483: by Ethan (new)

Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments A.L. wrote: "Ethan wrote: "Hi all!

Last night I watched the movie, The Frogmen. I'm not crazy about the film, but I do want to learn more about the UDT (Underwater Demolition Team, the precursor to the Navy Se..."


That looks awesome! Thanks so much, A.L.! Looking forward to it being released....


message 484: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments Glad you picked up that book A.L., I couldn't remember the title (how stupid eh!).


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Colin Heaton (colin1962) | 2011 comments Ethan wrote: "Colin wrote: "RADM Lyon created them, and he still lives in southern CA"

Really? He's still alive? That's amazing! Man, you have some amazing tidbits of information.

Oh, and by the way, Colin, I ..."


Thanks, Adam Makos and I help each other out. I had material critical to his book from my interviews with Steinhoff, Stigler, Trautloft and others that he was unaware of when I proof read the manuscript.


message 487: by Ethan (last edited Oct 20, 2014 07:56PM) (new)

Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments Colin wrote: "Ethan wrote: "Colin wrote: "RADM Lyon created them, and he still lives in southern CA"

Really? He's still alive? That's amazing! Man, you have some amazing tidbits of information.

Oh, and by the ..."


Nice. I'd love to have met such critical figures in the war like you have. I'm still trying to find a copy of your book, The Star of Africa The Story of Hans Marseille, the Rogue Luftwaffe Ace Who Dominated the WWII Skies by Colin D. Heaton . Seeing I read "A Higher Call", I'm interested to learn more about Marseille. He sounds like he was a very nice man!


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happy (happyone) | 2281 comments Stacy wrote: "I started reading the book recommended by A.L. and Geevee last night. It's has the information that I've needed to start my research. Thanks!

[book:We Band of Angels: The Untold Story of American ..."


I thought it was a pretty good book - I hope you enjoy it. Their story should be better known!


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Colin Heaton (colin1962) | 2011 comments Ethan wrote: "Colin wrote: "Ethan wrote: "Colin wrote: "RADM Lyon created them, and he still lives in southern CA"

Really? He's still alive? That's amazing! Man, you have some amazing tidbits of information.

O..."


Just order a signed copy from us if you can't get one on Amazon. Go to www.lewisheatonbooks.com


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Ethan S. (ethanthejames) | 62 comments Colin wrote: "Ethan wrote: "Colin wrote: "Ethan wrote: "Colin wrote: "RADM Lyon created them, and he still lives in southern CA"

Really? He's still alive? That's amazing! Man, you have some amazing tidbits of i..."


Thanks for the link, Colin! I'll check it out.


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Vanessa Couchman | 8 comments Hi everyone, I'm planning a novel set in WW2 Corsica and Vichy France. Can anyone recommend some books about how it was to live as an "ordinary" person in France during WW2? I've read a lot about the Vichy regime, the Resistance, etc., but I'd like to get a clearer picture of daily life at that time. They could be memoirs, historical accounts, or novels. I can read French, too. Many thanks for your help.


message 492: by Mikey B. (new)

Mikey B. Hi Vanessa

Two books I have read come to mind-

One is a standard text called Vichy France: Old Guard and New Order 1940-1944

and the other is Bad Faith: A Forgotten History of Family, Fatherland and Vichy France which is far more personal.

Also don't know if you have seen the famous documentary "The Sorrow and the Pity" (Le Chagrin et la Pitie) (sorry no accents possible!)

All the best / Michael


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A.L. Sowards | 500 comments Vanessa wrote: "Hi everyone, I'm planning a novel set in WW2 Corsica and Vichy France. Can anyone recommend some books about how it was to live as an "ordinary" person in France during WW2? I've read a lot about t..."

It's been a while since I looked at this one: Marianne in Chains: Daily Life in the Heart of France During the German Occupation Marianne in Chains Daily Life in the Heart of France During the German Occupation by Robert Gildea , but you might find it helpful. And this is a memoir from the resistance perspective, but it also sheds some light on everyday life: Spyglass: An Autobiography Spyglass An Autobiography by Helene Deschamps-Adams


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Vanessa Couchman | 8 comments Mikey B. wrote: "Hi Vanessa

Two books I have read come to mind-

One is a standard text called Vichy France: Old Guard and New Order 1940-1944

and the other is [book:Bad Faith: A Forgotten History ..."


Thanks for the suggestions. I already know the Paxton book (no. 1) but not the other one. I'll add that to my list.


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Vanessa Couchman | 8 comments A.L. wrote: "Vanessa wrote: "Hi everyone, I'm planning a novel set in WW2 Corsica and Vichy France. Can anyone recommend some books about how it was to live as an "ordinary" person in France during WW2? I've re..."

Hi A.L., many thanks for these suggestions. Now on my list.


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Geevee | 3811 comments Vanessa wrote: "Hi everyone, I'm planning a novel set in WW2 Corsica and Vichy France. Can anyone recommend some books about how it was to live as an "ordinary" person in France during WW2? I've read a lot about t..."

Hi Vanessa - these might be of interest:

The Unfree French Life Under The Occupation by Richard Vinen The Unfree French: Life Under The Occupation by Richard Vinen

Occupation The Ordeal of France 1940-1944 by Ian Ousby Occupation: The Ordeal of France 1940-1944 by Ian Ousby


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Greg | 8 comments Replying, just to be able to find this later in my history


message 498: by Vanessa (new)

Vanessa Couchman | 8 comments Thank you for all the helpful suggestions, which I have added to my lengthening list. This will keep me busy!


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Manray9 | 4785 comments Vanessa wrote: "Thank you for all the helpful suggestions, which I have added to my lengthening list. This will keep me busy!"

This group will fatten your TRB list!


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'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments A request from a group member, Donnie:

"Looking for the facts on prosecuting the ww2 war criminals . Not sure of any good truthful books."


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