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Dj | 2295 comments Stalin's Generals is a book I read. It had a bit on Timoshenko, but it had others involved in the book as well. I seem to recall that it didn't follow the traditional flow of such books.
Stalin's Generals
I am not sure how available the book is. I picked it up at a used book store.


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Dj | 2295 comments Taking a quick look I found a copy on Amazon. Not kindle, not very costly.


message 1603: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments A request from Margaret:

My father-in-law, an anti-tank gunner in the AIF, was captured at the First Battle of El Alamein. Recently, I read this: 'only the defeat of Rommel at the Second Battle of El Alamein prevented German forces from entering Palestine and carrying out similar operations against the Jewish population there.'

https://www.hoover.org/research/mufti...

Can anyone comment or recommend further reading on this?


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Johnny De Berggeit | 5 comments looking for a book on Yalta (implications) or maybe Potsdam conference (where Atlee replaced Churchill).
Something with the intentions of the main players.

thanks in advance
Jordy


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Darya Silman (geothepoet) | 123 comments Hi. Do any of you know books about the participation of Finnish units in the German army on the Eastern Front? It was called the Continuation War.


message 1606: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments This book may cover some of the topic; "Finland's War Of Choice: The Troubled German-Finnish Coalition in World War II" by Henrik O. Lunde.

Finland's War Of Choice The Troubled German-Finnish Coalition in World War II by Henrik O. Lunde Finland's War Of Choice: The Troubled German-Finnish Coalition in World War II by Henrik O. Lunde


message 1607: by Perato (last edited Jul 08, 2024 06:51PM) (new)

Perato | 231 comments Darya Silman wrote: "Hi. Do any of you know books about the participation of Finnish units in the German army on the Eastern Front? It was called the Continuation War."
You're asking a question that leaves a lot to interpretation:

You're either asking about Continuation war, that is Finnish Army fighting WITH German army against Soviets in World War 2. Mostly they didn't fight IN German Army any more than Brits fought in American army(see under).
or
Finnish units fighting under German army command structure in Continuation War, meaning in XXXVI mountain corps (namely 6th Infantry division and 3 Border guard companies). They participated in the operation Arctic Fox
or
Finnish personnel Fighting in German Army
meaning personnel fighting in SS Wiking in Finnisches Freiwilligen-Bataillon der Waffen-SS.


There's tons of text about the war in Finnish, but sadly very little is translated or written in English. Also as the political situation of Finland has changed a lot after the war (Finlandization is a term referring to to this time), some of the more older texts are hopelessly outdated.

But for the the books. For Continuation war, either Lunde's Book(see Rick's message) or
Finland at War: the Continuation and Lapland Wars 1941-45
Finland at War the Continuation and Lapland Wars 1941-45 by Vesa Nenye

As for 6th infantry, I have nothing special to offer, so search for books about German army in Northern Europe

For Wiking there are few books, most modern probably would be
The Finnish SS-Volunteers and Atrocities 1941-1943 - Against Jews, Civilians and Prisoners of War in Ukraine and the Caucasus Region 1941-1943
The Finnish SS-Volunteers and Atrocities 1941-1943 - Against Jews, Civilians and Prisoners of War in Ukraine and the Caucasus Region 1941-1943 by Lars Westerlund .

Also David Stahel's Joining Hitler's Crusade has an article about Finnish participation.

Also if fiction is your thing, one of the most prestigious and popular book in Finnish is Unknown Soldier by Väinö Linna. Translated to 24 different languages, although some translations are apparently not so good. There are also 3 movies(1955/1985/2017) about the book which last of them is also extended to a 5 hour miniseries.

I cannot vouch for any of the books as I haven't read them, apart from Unknown Soldier which is part of curriculum.


message 1608: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Thanks for your assistance Perato!


message 1609: by Darya Silman (new)

Darya Silman (geothepoet) | 123 comments Thank you, Aussie and Perato!


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Scott Bury (scottbury) | 30 comments Darya Silman wrote: "Hi. Do any of you know books about the participation of Finnish units in the German army on the Eastern Front? It was called the Continuation War."

I covered the Winter War in my podcast, Beyond Barbarossa (the only English-language podcast that focuses on the eastern front of WWII). Here are some of the sources I used:
Vesa Nenye, Peter Munter, Toni Wirtanen and Chris Birks, Finland at War: The Winter War 1939–40. Oxford, UK: Osprey Publishing, 2015.

Anthony Tucker-Jones, Slaughter on the Eastern Front. Stroud, UK: The History Press, 2017.

Wikipedia: Winter War.

Martin Windrow, Editor: Finland at War 1939–45. Oxford, UK: Osprey Publishing Ltd, 2006.

The Winter War: A Captivating Guide to the Russo-Finnish War between Finland and the Soviet Union. Captivating History, 2020.


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Darya Silman (geothepoet) | 123 comments Thank you, Scott. I'll see if these books are available via Amazon. I have one physical book in Russian on the Finnish War, but that's all. Seeing how different nationalities, allies and enemies, were treated by Germans is worth exploring


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Darya Silman (geothepoet) | 123 comments I'm looking for a general, easy-to-read book about the Eastern front for a newcomer (not for me)


message 1613: by Perato (last edited Jul 12, 2024 08:47AM) (new)

Perato | 231 comments Darya Silman wrote: "I'm looking for a general, easy-to-read book about the Eastern front for a newcomer (not for me)"

As I cannot recommend operations heavy Glantz, I would recommend either Ostkrieg Ostkrieg: Hitler's War of Extermination in the East by Stephen G. Fritz. It's more on the grand strategy side and tying the war with the politics of German Reich. The caveat is that it is from the German side so doesn't offer the whole view. My short review here:
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

or

Evan Mawdsleys Thunder in the East which I haven't read as it's price is constantly over 50 euros. Yet it has been cited as the best one volume book about the eastern front by many other authors I've read so I dare not speak against it without my own insight.
Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War, 1941-1945 . I have read Mawdsley's War for the Seas and if these books are any alike, I think I would also enjoy his Thunder in the East.

Glantz' When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler is often recommended but as a (former) historian, I cannot recommend it other than as a reference book. My review here:
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
I can quote my self to be more clear why not:

This(When Titans Clashed) book is very much about army movements and just that. Mostly the book answers to questions "what, where and when" but rarely scratches the question "why". When the book goes into 'why' it is usually covered in just few pages and off we go to list armies advancing to this and that place.



message 1614: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3594 comments Darya Silman wrote: "I'm looking for a general, easy-to-read book about the Eastern front for a newcomer (not for me)"

Darya,

This was a decent book on the German side. This book is published under different titles but this is the one I read:

War on the Eastern Front 1941-1945 by James Sidney Lucas War on the Eastern Front 1941-1945 by James Sidney Lucas


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Marc | 1746 comments Mike wrote: "Darya Silman wrote: "I'm looking for a general, easy-to-read book about the Eastern front for a newcomer (not for me)"

Darya,

This was a decent book on the German side. This book is published und..."


Wow, that one takes me back. Read that back in the high school over 40 years ago.

Two books which give different sides of the war, albeit in photographic form, might be of interest:

The War on the Eastern Front The Soviet Union, 1941-1945 - A Photographic History by Alexander Hill The War on the Eastern Front: The Soviet Union, 1941-1945 - A Photographic History

Life and Death on the Eastern Front by Anthony Tucker-Jones Life and Death on the Eastern Front


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Manray9 | 4785 comments Darya Silman wrote: "I'm looking for a general, easy-to-read book about the Eastern front for a newcomer (not for me)"

Many years ago I read:

Russia at War 1941-1945 by Alexander Werth Russia at War: 1941-1945 by Alexander Werth.

Written by a journalist and not an historian, it may be a good starting point.


message 1617: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (last edited Jul 12, 2024 04:46PM) (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Some classic (older) accounts and still some of my favourite books on the subject are these titles:

Barbarossa by Alan Clark Barbarossa by Alan Clark

Hitler Moves East 1941–1943 by Paul Carell Hitler Moves East 1941–1943 and Scorched Earth The Russian-German War 1943-1944 by Paul Carell Scorched Earth: The Russian-German War 1943-1944 by Paul Carell


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message 1619: by Darya Silman (new)

Darya Silman (geothepoet) | 123 comments Have any of you read a book about the treatment of Soviet POWs in German camps? I remember reading somewhere that the Soviet authorities regarded soldiers who surrendered as traitors and didn't allow international organizations to help them. Is that so?


message 1620: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Darya Silman wrote: "Have any of you read a book about the treatment of Soviet POWs in German camps? I remember reading somewhere that the Soviet authorities regarded soldiers who surrendered as traitors and didn't all..."

Check out some of Nikolai Tolstoy's books: "Victims of Yalta" and "The Minister and the Massacres".


message 1621: by BA (new)

BA Rae | 123 comments Darya Silman wrote: "Have any of you read a book about the treatment of Soviet POWs in German camps?"

Hello, this is an interest of mine as well.
I'm taking several courses from the National WWII Museum (in Louisiana, USA) on the holocaust. One of the professors recommended this book, which is a major study on the fate of Soviets in German POW camps. It is only available in German: Keine Kameraden: Die Wehrmacht Und Die Sowjetischen Kriegsgefangenen 1941 1945

I can't read German, so he suggested these:
War of Extermination: The German Military in World War II
and
Empire of Destruction: A History of Nazi Mass Killing

The National WWII Museum web site also has resources and articles. The WWII classes (continuing education) from the National WWII Museum are amazingly good and I am learning a lot from them. They are open to people in other countries, too, as there have been students from Europe and Canada in several of the courses in which I was enrolled.

I hope this is helpful.


message 1622: by Darya Silman (new)

Darya Silman (geothepoet) | 123 comments Thank you, Aussie Rick and Ba Rae.
I can read in German on A2 level. Maybe, with a dictionary, I could get through the book in German. It's even available in one of our public libraries


message 1623: by BA (new)

BA Rae | 123 comments Darya Silman wrote: "Thank you, Aussie Rick and Ba Rae.
I can read in German on A2 level. Maybe, with a dictionary, I could get through the book in German. It's even available in one of our public libraries"


Oh that is amazing! I am really glad that resource is available to you. Please let me know how it is.


message 1624: by BA (last edited Jan 20, 2025 06:16PM) (new)

BA Rae | 123 comments Darya Silman wrote: "Have any of you read a book about the treatment of Soviet POWs in German camps? I remember reading somewhere that the Soviet authorities regarded soldiers who surrendered as traitors..."

A book that may also be of interest is this one:
Return to the Motherland Displaced Soviets in WWII and the Cold War (Battlegrounds Cornell Studies in Military History) by Seth Bernstein
Return to the Motherland: Displaced Soviets in WWII and the Cold War
I read it and found it to be informative.


message 1625: by Darya Silman (new)

Darya Silman (geothepoet) | 123 comments BA, my husband's grandmother's family was deported as laborers to Germany from Leningradskaya oblast (near Sankt-Petersburg). She was a child. She never talked about it...


message 1626: by BA (new)

BA Rae | 123 comments Darya Silman wrote: "Have any of you read a book about the treatment of Soviet POWs in German camps? I remember reading somewhere that the Soviet authorities regarded soldiers who surrendered as traitors ..."

Here are two website resources that may be of interest. I became aware of them while doing research for the WWII course I'm taking. Hope they are useful.
Thank you, too, for sharing the information about your husband's grandmother's family.

A Canadian Website with video interviews from Jewish Soviet WWII Veterans:
https://jewishsovietveteransww2.com/

Yad Vashem - The World Holocaust Remembrance Center. Jewish Soldiers in the Red Army project - includes biographies and photos if available.
https://www.yadvashem.org/research/re...


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Dipanjan (bengali) | 115 comments I am looking for a book on the battle of Kohima written from Japanese perspective by a Japanese author or participant. it may be a memoir or autobiography or battle accounts.


message 1628: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Dipanjan wrote: "I am looking for a book on the battle of Kohima written from Japanese perspective by a Japanese author or participant. it may be a memoir or autobiography or battle accounts."

That's a hard one Dipanjan! I'm afraid I don't know any books on that battle from the Japanese perspective.


message 1629: by Marc (new)

Marc | 1746 comments Dipanjan wrote: "I am looking for a book on the battle of Kohima written from Japanese perspective by a Japanese author or participant. it may be a memoir or autobiography or battle accounts."

This might have some of what you're looking for:

Japan's Last Bid for Victory The Invasion of India, 1944 by Robert Lyman Japan's Last Bid for Victory: The Invasion of India, 1944


message 1630: by Dipanjan (new)

Dipanjan Datta (papudips) | 44 comments I think there is certainly some memoirs of some Japanese combatant on battle of Kohima written in Japanese language which has not yet been translated. I need to know this. Recently a Naga author has written a book on the battle of Kohima titled ' His majesty's headhunters'.


message 1631: by Liz V. (last edited Jan 27, 2025 11:35PM) (new)

Liz V. (wwwgoodreadscomlizv) | 688 comments His Majesty's Headhunters: The Siege of Kohima that Shaped World History by Mmhonlümo Kikon

The Kohima Museum in York has divided the battle into a number of parts, including one day-to-day. The general section at which I looked included a list of books. None seemed to fit your criteria but you may wish to check. http://www.kohimamuseum.co.uk/

Does Japan have a comparable museum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...


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Unleashed Horror (unleashedhorror) | 10 comments I'm looking for a good comprehensive book on the beginning battles of WW2. From the taking of the Rhineland, to taking Czechoslovakia, Invasion of Poland, and everything else in the Europe up until France and Dunkirk fall

Thank you so much for the recommendations


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Manray9 | 4785 comments Unleashed wrote: "I'm looking for a good comprehensive book on the beginning battles of WW2. From the taking of the Rhineland, to taking Czechoslovakia, Invasion of Poland, and everything else in the Europe up until..."

Perhaps --

The Last European War by John Lukacs The Last European War by John Lukacs

and

1939 Countdown to War by Richard Overy 1939: Countdown to War by Richard Overy


message 1634: by Dipanjan (new)

Dipanjan (bengali) | 115 comments 1939 countdown to war is an excellent book. I wrote a review on it.


message 1635: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments You could also check out these two books by Robert Forczyk:


Case White The Invasion of Poland 1939 by Robert Forczyk Case White: The Invasion of Poland 1939 by Robert Forczyk

Case Red The Collapse of France by Robert Forczyk Case Red: The Collapse of France by Robert Forczyk


message 1636: by Unleashed (new)

Unleashed Horror (unleashedhorror) | 10 comments Thanks for the recs!


message 1637: by Alison (new)

Alison FJ | 6 comments Hello All! I'm looking for a book on the German army in Russia (especially near Taganrog or Raskity). My real goal is to understand what life would have been like for a specific German soldier who worked in the radio/military intelligence unit and I know he was stationed in that area. But really anything that would help me understand the daily lives of German soldiers anywhere on the Eastern front would be helpful. I'm looking for books about the Wehrmacht, not special units or the SS/Ordnungpolizei. Thank you!


message 1638: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4785 comments Alison wrote: "Hello All! I'm looking for a book on the German army in Russia (especially near Taganrog or Raskity). My real goal is to understand what life would have been like for a specific German soldier who ..."

Have you looked at War Without Garlands: Barbarossa 1941/42 by Robert Kershaw?


message 1639: by Jerome (last edited Mar 08, 2025 05:12PM) (new)

Jerome Otte | 808 comments Alison wrote: "Hello All! I'm looking for a book on the German army in Russia (especially near Taganrog or Raskity). My real goal is to understand what life would have been like for a specific German soldier who ..."

Hey, Alison! I haven't read any of these, unfortunately, so I don't know where some of these firsthand accounts took place, but these are generally well regarded:

Soldat Reflections of a German Soldier, 1936-1949 by Siegfried Knappe by Siegfried Knappe
Blood Red Snow The Memoirs of a German Soldier on the Eastern Front by Günter K. Koschorrek by Günter K. Koschorrek
War on the Eastern Front The German Soldier in Russia, 1941–1945 by James Sidney Lucas by James Sidney Lucas
In Deadly Combat A German Soldier's Memoir of the Eastern Front by Gottlob Herbert Bidermann by Gottlob Herbert Bidermann
A Stranger to Myself The Inhumanity of War Russia, 1941-1944 by Willy Peter Reese by Willy Peter Reese
Eastern Front Combat The German Soldier in Battle from Stalingrad to Berlin by Hans Wijers by Hans Wijers
The Virtuous Wehrmacht Crafting the Myth of the German Soldier on the Eastern Front, 1941-1944 by David A. Harrisville by David A. Harrisville


message 1640: by BA (new)

BA Rae | 123 comments Alison wrote: "Hello All! I'm looking for a book on the German army in Russia (especially near Taganrog or Raskity). My real goal is to understand what life would have been like for a specific German soldier who ..."

Blood Red Snow The Memoirs of a German Soldier on the Eastern Front by Günter K. Koschorrek
Blood Red Snow: The Memoirs of a German Soldier on the Eastern Front by Günter K. Koschorrek

I highly recommend this book! It is one of my favorite memoirs about the war on the Eastern Front. I feature this book in the bookstore I manage as a 'manager's selection' and sell quite a few. If you decide to read it, I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

How this memoir came to be:
During the war, Gunter Koschorrek was a heavy machine gunner and fought in many battles, including Stalingrad. German soldiers were forbidden to keep a diary, but that did not deter him. Instead, he secretly passed his notes on to his mother.
After the war, in 1950, his wife divorced him, took their daughter, and moved to the USA with another man. 40 years later, Gunter received a phone call from his daughter, who'd spent years trying to locate him. "I have your diary, Dad," she said and encouraged him to publish it. What an amazing story of WWII.


message 1641: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Both "In Deadly Combat" and "Blood Red Snow" are excellent books covering the Eastern Front.


message 1642: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Alison wrote: "Hello All! I'm looking for a book on the German army in Russia (especially near Taganrog or Raskity). My real goal is to understand what life would have been like for a specific German soldier who ..."

Also check out this older publication which has been reprinted a number of times; "War on the Eastern Front: The German Soldier in Russia, 1941–1945" by James Sidney Lucas.

War on the Eastern Front The German Soldier in Russia, 1941–1945 by James Sidney Lucas War on the Eastern Front: The German Soldier in Russia, 1941–1945 by James Sidney Lucas


message 1643: by Alison (new)

Alison FJ | 6 comments Jerome wrote: "Alison wrote: "Hello All! I'm looking for a book on the German army in Russia (especially near Taganrog or Raskity). My real goal is to understand what life would have been like for a specific Germ..."

I haven't, but I will now. Thank you!


message 1644: by Alison (new)

Alison FJ | 6 comments BA wrote: "Alison wrote: "Hello All! I'm looking for a book on the German army in Russia (especially near Taganrog or Raskity). My real goal is to understand what life would have been like for a specific Germ..."

Thank you. This is extremely helpful!


message 1645: by Alison (new)

Alison FJ | 6 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Both "In Deadly Combat" and "Blood Red Snow" are excellent books covering the Eastern Front."

That is an incredible story, thank you for pointing me to these books.


message 1646: by Alison (new)

Alison FJ | 6 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Alison wrote: "Hello All! I'm looking for a book on the German army in Russia (especially near Taganrog or Raskity). My real goal is to understand what life would have been like for a specific Germ..."

Thank you again! I think I've been hitting the wrong buttons to reply, but I'm grateful to EVERYONE who posted a suggestion in the thread. I've got a lot of reading to do this spring!


message 1647: by Gary (new)

Gary (folionut) | 213 comments Alison wrote: "Hello All! I'm looking for a book on the German army in Russia (especially near Taganrog or Raskity). My real goal is to understand what life would have been like for a specific German soldier who ..."

Hi Alison
I know you probably have enough recommendations by now, but this one is really good, so you may wish to check it out:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
Best wishes and happy reading!
Gary


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Unleashed Horror (unleashedhorror) | 10 comments I’m looking for a book on the entire process of dealing with all the war dead (collection, identification and disposition: civilian and military during and after the war.

If anyone has any recommendations please let me know


message 1649: by Liz V. (last edited Jul 08, 2025 08:59PM) (new)

Liz V. (wwwgoodreadscomlizv) | 688 comments Unleashed wrote: "I’m looking for a book on the entire process of dealing with all the war dead (collection, identification and disposition: civilian and military during and after the war.

If anyone has any recomm..."


I haven’t read Soldier Dead: How We Recover, Identify, Bury, and Honor Our Military Fallen by Mike (Michael) Sledge but it may be helpful.

Unsure whether any biography of Clara Barton covers the period between the Civil War and founding of the American Red Cross, but the following are instructive :
* https://department.va.gov/history/fea...
* https://www.nps.gov/places/clara-bart...
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M174t...


message 1650: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Thanks for helping out Liz!


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