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message 1: by Tess (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Tess | 134 comments Um have any of you realised that Harry saw his parents die when he was young, so he should be able to see threashels from then on but instead he can only see them after he witnesses the death of Cedric. Isn't that a bit odd?

message 2: by Meghan (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Meghan | 686 comments Yeah, I wondered about that. But J.K. Rowling sad that Harry actually didn't see his parents deaths. He was behind the bed, or in his crib, or something like that. But I wondered, because J.K. did mention at the end of four that they went to the trian in the horseless carriages. But Harry should have seen them cause that was after Cedric died. Maybe there is a time limit on how long it takes to see them.

message 3: by Tess (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Tess | 134 comments But in the 7th book it said Harry peeked from behind his crib and saw a bright light and his father's form crumple to the floor.

message 4: by Meghan (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Meghan | 686 comments That isn't possible because James died downstairs while Lily and Harry where upstairs.

message 5: by Tess (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Tess | 134 comments Oops. Ha. I meant Lily. Sorry.

message 6: by Meghan (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Meghan | 686 comments Oh, ok. I was a little confused there. I don't know. Propably J.K. made them up in five so she couldn't prepare everything with it or something.

message 7: by Tess (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Tess | 134 comments It's just a little mistake. I know how hard it is too make everything perfect, especially when there are so many people looking for mistakes.

message 8: by Meghan (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Meghan | 686 comments Yeah. I'm sure it would be really diffucult as a writer.

message 9: by Tess (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Tess | 134 comments Yes, but fun. If everyone loved your books like J.K. Rowling.

message 10: by Tess (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Tess | 134 comments You could control what happens next!

message 11: by Peng (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:54PM) (new)

Peng | 317 comments i saw another "mistake" discussed in another hp group. it's about the plumbing underneath hogwarts that the basilisk used to go around the school. it was said that salazar slytherin built it thousands of years ago but was there plumbing in those days? i don't think there were sinks and toilets that used plumbing in those days if it was before christ....

message 12: by Meghan (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:54PM) (new)

Meghan | 686 comments Hey, this is the magical world we're talking about. We probably stole plumbing from them! I'll bet on it! Or maybe someone like Mundungus sold it to us!

message 13: by Peng (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:54PM) (new)

Peng | 317 comments lol! good on you, mate!

message 14: by Veronica (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:58PM) (new)

Veronica (v_a_b) I noticed that harry should have been able to see thestrals when I read the 5th book. I always assumed that he was like asleep or something...
And something about the basilisk moving through the pipes-I never wondered about them not having plumbing back then but I did wonder how such a huge snake got through the pipes. I mean, pipes really aren't that big are they? And how did all those people see the snake and get petrified and nobody get killed when the only exits to the pipes would be in the bathrooms and the kitchen? And how would it even get out of the pipes once it had reached the exits?
Also, in the fourth book did anybody notice that his dad came out FIRST? His mom was died after him and everyone was appearing in reverse order so she should have been first. But apparantly it was like the night before publication and the american editior caught the "mistake" and mixed it up so it was wrong.
And something I just thought of. If harry's dad was killed downstairs then how could harry hear him telling his mother to "take harry and run"

message 15: by Kenzie (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:59PM) (new)

Kenzie He was downstairs with his mother, she grabbed Harry while James tried to keep Voldemort busy.

message 16: by Cathy (last edited Aug 25, 2016 02:02PM) (new)

Cathy | 50 comments Why does being "before Christ" have anything to do with it? is he credited with inventing plumbing now?
maybe he (the basilisk, not christ) used underground water vein that were natural, ones that were reached by wells, etc.
it really is unimportant i guess

message 17: by Sarah (last edited Aug 25, 2016 02:02PM) (new)

Sarah (songgirl7) About the Thestrals thing... Rowling has already addressed that.

"I have been asked that a lot. Harry did not see his parents die. He was in his cot at the time (he was just over a year old) and, as I say in 'Philosopher's Stone' all he saw was a flash of green light. He didn't see Quirrell's death either. Harry had passed out before Quirrell died and was only told about it by Dumbledore in the last chapter.

"He did, however, witness the murder of Cedric, and it is this that makes him able to see the thestrals at last. Why couldn't he see the thestrals on his trip back to the train station? Well, I didn't want to start a new mystery, which would not be resolved for a long time, at the end of the fourth book. I decided, therefore, that until Harry is over the first shock, and really feels what death means (i.e., when he fully appreciates that Cedric is gone forever, and that he can never come back, which takes time, whatever age you are) he would not be able to see the Thestrals. After two months away from school during which he has dwelled endlessly on his memories of the murder and has had nightmares about it, the Thestrals have taken shape and form and he can see them quite clearly."

Cathy, I suspect that the "before Christ" comment was due to the idea that the school had been there for "thousands" of years, which, if it were over two thousand and seven years, would put it before the time of Christ. I thought it was only one thousand years old, but however old it was, they would surely have had plumbing. The Roman empire, I believe, was the first society to introduce pipes.

message 18: by whichwaydidshego (last edited Aug 25, 2016 02:03PM) (new)

whichwaydidshego | 12 comments Well said, Sarah. Also, Salazar Slytherin built The Chamber of Secrets for the basilisk. Whether the plumbing was already there or was added later and the snake found it's way to the pipes, the basilisk had a "home." But yes, plumbing has been around for thousands of years in various societies.

I thought that the Thestral thing was explained in the book. Maybe not, but I never listen or read interviews and I knew that was why.

message 19: by Kenzie (last edited Aug 25, 2016 02:03PM) (new)

Kenzie I figured that was why too. Also, with the whole James came out first, that was probably just a mistake. This is the scene (according to the movie and my own personal touch).

Harry, James, and Lily are all downstairs having 'family time'. Voldemort comes in to kill Harry. James shouts, "Take Harry and run!" He fights to keep Voldemort away from his wife and son and is killed. Voldemort then follows Lily and Harry upstairs. Lily places Harry on his bed and blocks it from his view while Voldemort yells, "Stand aside girl, stand aside!" He then disposes of Lily, like James. Turns to view Harry and shatters his powers, giving part of himself to Harry, and leaves to wander in exile.

That's just my thought of what happened, you can create your own, that's just how I imagine the scene going.

message 20: by Sarah (last edited Aug 25, 2016 02:05PM) (new)

Sarah (songgirl7) Yes, James coming out of the wand first from the Priori Incantatem was a mistake by the editor. It has been fixed in subsequent editions. That was addressed on her web site too. You guys should all check out www.jkrowling.com because there is a lot of info there that answers these kind of questions.

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