Help Sorting Out The "Richards"

[Sandi *~The Pirate Wench~*]

I havent read much on any of the "Richards" be it the 1st,2nd or 3rd. I had my first intro to Richard I in The Founding by Cynthia Harrod-Eagles,and still not sure of the going-on's. Would like to get them all straight in what part of History they played and with whom. Richard III seems the most popular,is there a reason why? What books would anyone recommend that's not "too much information" but more of a story for me to get from Richard I to Richard III and understand each ones role?

[Susan]

try the three richards by nigel saul

[Sandi *~The Pirate Wench~*]

Three Richards: Richard I, Richard II and Richard III Is this the one Susan? Thanks..will check it out :)

[Misfit]

Richard I was the Lionheart if I'm not mistaken. Lots of novels on him to pick from, from light to Penman. IIRC Margaret Campbell Barnes wrote at least one (the title escapes me). MC Barnes also wrote one on R2, Within the Hollow Crown: A Valiant King's Struggle to Save His Country, His Dynasty, and His Love. You can also find him in Brian Wainwright's Within the Fetterlock. Excellent book, and it's one for when your thinking cap is firmly on your head.

Richard III, there's a story better told by the experts around here.

[Sandi *~The Pirate Wench~*]

Thanks Misfit Im pretty sure my library has these. I hate reading a "historical" book which Richard is in it and I get them mixed up..so I need to start at the first one which was in the Founding..hmm..was he the "Lionheart? not sure:/ Off to check my library.
I know you dont recommend Sandra Worth's books? and the ones that followed?

[Misfit]

I just looked at the synposis for The Founding. I'm pretty sure that's during the Wars of the Roses, Richard III but I could be wrong.

Lots of folks love Worth, but I don't care for her style and sugar-coated Richard-Sue. Sharon's The Sunne in Splendour is still the be-all to end-all IMO, but it's a large, large book.

[Susan]

Sandi *~The Pirate Wench~* wrote: "Three Richards: Richard I, Richard II and Richard III Is this the one Susan? Thanks..will check it out :)"

That was the one! Sorry, I was on my phone with its itty-bitty keyboard and couldn't figure out out to insert the book.

You might also try Derek Wilson's . If you're in the US, it's been on sale at Barnes and Noble.

[Sandi *~The Pirate Wench~*]

Misfit wrote: "I just looked at the synposis for The Founding. I'm pretty sure that's during the Wars of the Roses, Richard III but I could be wrong.

Lots of folks love Worth, but I don't care for her style an..."

@ Misfit It was the very begining of The War of the Roses..Richard Duke of York? Would that be the 1st? He then had a son which he named after him.(this is why Im finding them confussing) No simple names back then..never mind the "Henry's"

@ Susan no Im in Canada,but III check my library for this one as well.

Thanks for your help ladies :)

[Misfit]

@ Sandi. Richard Duke of York is Richard III.

[Misfit]

According to Wiki:

HistoryIn medieval times, York was the main town of the North of England and the see of the Archbishop of York from 735 AD. Yorkshire was England's largest shire in area.

In the interval between the fall of Jorvik under Eirik Bloodaxe, last King of Jorvik (d. 954), and the first creation of the Dukedom of York, there were a few Earls of York.

The title Duke of York was first created in the Peerage of England in 1385 for Edmund of Langley, the fourth surviving son of Edward III, and an important character in Shakespeare's Richard II. His son Edward, who inherited the title, was killed at the Battle of Agincourt in 1415. The title passed to his nephew Richard, the son of Richard of Conisburgh, 3rd Earl of Cambridge (who had been executed for plotting against King Henry V). The younger Richard managed to obtain a restoration of the title, but when his eldest son, who inherited the title, became King in 1461 as Edward IV, the title merged into the Crown.

The title was next created for Richard of Shrewsbury, second son of King Edward IV. Richard was one of the Princes in the Tower, and, as he died without heirs, the title became extinct at his death.

The third creation was for Henry Tudor, second son of King Henry VII. When his elder brother Arthur, Prince of Wales, died in 1502, Henry became heir to the throne. When Henry ultimately became King Henry VIII, his titles merged into the crown.

[Sandi *~The Pirate Wench~*]

Misfit wrote: "@ Sandi. Richard Duke of York is Richard III."

So..he had a son and named him richard? Or was this just fictional on the authors part..geezzz no wonder I cant figure out which one is which...need to read up! Thanks Misfit :)

[K.L.]

Richard III was Richard Duke of York's youngest son. He was never duke of York himself, but was created duke of Gloucester by his brother, Edward IV.

Richard I (Lionheart) 1157-1199, king of England from 1189;
Richard II 1367-1499, king of England 1377, deposed by Bolingbroke (Henry IV) 1399:
Richard III 1452-1485, duke of Gloucester, brother of Edward IV, deposed his nephew (Edward V) 1483, died at the battle of Bosworth 1485

[Sandi *~The Pirate Wench~*]

Ok..that's still confusing of "Richard's & Henry's" "oh my"..but it makes sense from what I read in the Founding.So it was Richard III..but there was no mention in her books of the Prince's in the tower so..I wasnt sure of which Richard this was.

[Sandi *~The Pirate Wench~*]

Karen wrote: "Richard III was Richard Duke of York's youngest son. He was never duke of York himself, but was created duke of Gloucester by his brother, Edward IV.

Richard I (Lionheart) 1157-1199, king of Engla..."

Ah..now that makes it more clear! :)

[Susanna - Censored by GoodReads]

Richard II is ... the grandson of Edward III, the son of Richard "The Black Prince", and was deposed by his cousin, Henry IV, in 1399.

Shakespeare's Richard II is a great tragedy.

[Susanna - Censored by GoodReads]

Richard Duke of York -m- Cecily Neville
=
(1)Edmund, Earl of Rutland (d. 1360, in battle)
(2)Edward IV
(3)George Duke of Clarence (d. 1378, traditionally by drowning in a barrel of wine)
(4)Richard III

[K.L.]

Susanna, I'm sure you mean 1460 and 1478.

[Susanna - Censored by GoodReads]

Whoops! So I did. Getting sleepy.

[K.L.]

Typos love sleepy! They breed in sleepy!

[Sandi *~The Pirate Wench~*]

Ok..I think III go to the library today and pick up the book Susan suggested,Im getting confused again by the added Edward's & Edmund's who's parent is who,and who is who's nephew...Tudors..much easier to follow!
So any books I have come across Historical-ficton-romance that have Richard the Lionheart is Richard III correct?

[K.L.]

Richard the Lionheart was Richard I.

[Sandi *~The Pirate Wench~*]

Karen wrote: "Richard the Lionheart was Richard I."

Yup..time to get the book....:/ Thanks Karen