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Dec 05, 2008 07:10PM
I, of course, completely support the constitution, but this is one case when I think it's ridiculous. Times have changed so much-- we don't even have a "malitia" anymore. I'm from a city where shooting are regular. Kids get ahold of guns and blow each other way. I think that more gun control is needed.
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i agree that kids and certain people shouldnt be able to get guns, but i dont think that responsible people shouldnt be able to carry guns. i know a lot of people that carry guns around for protection purposes. ahh! its so difficult to pick one side or the other!
Exactly my point though. America no longer has MILITIAS. So the amendment is barely even viable anymore. Jai, as I said, I'm from a city which is one of the murder capitals of the world. Every time I hear about a shooting, I wonder... how did those poor kids even get those guns in the first place? We need regulations.
But how else are cities like mine going to crack down on this? We tried a curfew, we tried getting the cops involved, we tried getting people to speak up, and nothing is working.
a man in my city was just sent to jail on monday for culpable negligence. he had 2 revolvers in his home that were not secured. his 12 year old son found one of them in his brothers closet. he was suspended from school and a 14 year old friend skipped school to hang out with him. the 12 year old was messing around with the gun and accidentally shot the 14 year old. then he lied to the 911 operators saying his home was broken into and the robbers shot his friend. that kid eventually confessed and will be spending at least 5 years in juvenile detention center. the 14 year old was killed. he was also a kid from my middle school and went to my high school. a lot of my friends knew him really well. so basically, the point me saying that was that IF people are allowed by law to carry guns, there needs to be some way to see if they are responsible enough, and obviously, they need to ALWAYS have them locked up.
Colton went to our middle school? My friend started crying in 6th period because I brought up the funeral tomorrow and she was his friend. I felt so bad! There definately needs to be more gun restrictions.
We can't just let people go crazy and own any gun they want... it's just nuts. There is a huge difference between the number of people who have guns and the number of people responsible enough to carry them.
yeah cira, look in the 7th grade yearbook. hes not in any of them except 7th grade.
for better backround checks(most do not happen)
There definitely needs to be more gun control, but I don't think there's much of a way to do it. I mean, if we outlaw guns, bad people are still gunna get 'em and then the good guys will have no way of defending ourselves! At least people could be more careful. My dad knew a guy whose son shot his other son because the mom left the gun down.
People should be able to have guns, we just have to be more careful about who, and what kind of weapons they can get their hands on.
NO!!!!if the right to bear arms is gone, i can't get my license so i can try at shooting those popular kids!
im kidding deanalthough it would be fun...
and the popular kids at my school definitely deserve it...
I am definately for strict gun control laws,but NO laws that will take away the right for citizens to bear arms!That would be unconstitutional.
I'm against gun control laws. maybe in the big cities it would help, but i don't see how, if someone is going to go against the law to shoot someone, wouldn't they go against the law to own a gun too?besides, i live out in the middle of nowhere, and hunting is a really big deal around here. anyone who wants a gun already has to show ID, a hunter's license, proof that he/she is over 18 and then fill out a bunch of paperwork. after that they have to wait a week for everything to get approved, then they can go get their gun from the store. it isn't nearly as strict with bows, but it's still not exactly easy.
I think we need stricter gun laws... I mean clearly the way things are right now aren't working. I live in a really violent city. Kids are shooting each other every day. And I always think, how do those kids get those guns in the first place?
this is the dealTake your pic:
1. Gun owner
2. Victim
Ok this is a topic we discuss a lot at my school. So this should be fun. (DE- you know what I'm talking about:-)Anyway...... here I go, If I say anything that is offensive don't get mad, I'm just stating my opinion and I don't hold any grudge against anyone who disagrees....... The second Amendment protects our right to own, keep, and bear arms. This right is one of the most important and should in no way, EVER be infringed!! Don't say that it is outdated. You think people were any different then than they are now? There were criminals in those days too. THe only difference between then and now comes in when discussing kids. In those days the kids weren't scared of guns their parents taught their kids about the dangers of guns and how to handle them properly. Now, the kids are taught that it's better to stay away. Now we're all kids...... honestly how many times to we do what we want to no matter what the adults say?A lot.
So the kids go out and try their hand with a gun to see what it's like and end up getting themselves or someone else hurt. If their parents taught them about guns then they would know how to handle it and wouldn't do that.
The others are right...... more gun control won't stop people who are determined to buy a gun. They can always find a gun somewhere so the laws would only serve as an inconvenience to honest citizens.
THe main reason the 2nd Amendment was written was not necessarily to protect ourselves against a foreign attack, although that is the most common belief. It was instituted as a means of defense against the government should it become dictatorial or overbearing. Now I hope none of you are naive enough to think that that can never happen. See if you can see my reasoning. If we have the guns to protect ourselves against the government, then why should we make it harder for us to defend ourselves and our families by voting for more gun control? Gun control gives more power to the government and that's why the founding fathers gave us the right to a means of defense, they didn't want the government to be that powerful. They knew that power corrupts.
-George Washington
“The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.”
“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.”
-James Madison
“The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation where the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
-Thomas Jefferson
“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Patrick Henry
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.”
- Abraham Lincoln
"Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for that is the only safeguard of our liberties."
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -Ronald Reagan
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." -Benjamin Franklin
“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense?” - Patrick Henry
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” - Abraham Lincoln
(P.S. If anyone wants I have a hobby of collecting quotes so ask and I'll send you a copy. )
ha haamerica (or liberals to be more correct) should shut up for once in their lives and listen to all these smart people
you're completely right MG. if parents would teach kids about guns, then the acidental deaths and woundings would drop dramatically
Dean- question, did you like the Clinton administration?
Well, then I can see why you like Obama. The majority of his administration is made up of former Clinton advisors. I think it's odd though. He said he wanted change but he picked people who have already been in an administration and didn't do much good.
yeah that's trueand democrats and liberals are different
diane feinstein (sp?) - LIBERAL!
obama - not so much, just a dem
well banning guns is really up to the voters not the three houses when it comes down to it.
dragon_eyes wrote: "well banning guns is really up to the voters not the three houses when it comes down to it."DE- there's only two houses. House of Representatives and the Senate.
i don't even see how the government can take all our guns anywaysounds hard
and like dragon eyes said, isn't that just giving more power to the government?
Rachel: I live in Rochester, New York. According to a website I found, our murder rate is 3.49 times the National Average.
I'm not saying that we should take away all right to bear arms. I'm just saying that we need stricter laws surrounding it. Parents teaching kids about guns, that's good, but we can't exactly make a law for that. We need to limit what kind of guns people can get, who can get a gun, and how long of a waiting period there must be. If we let anyone who wanted a gun have a gun, think of the number of accidental shootings. That alone should give us some pause.
I'm not saying that we should take away all right to bear arms. I'm just saying that we need stricter laws surrounding it. Parents teaching kids about guns, that's good, but we can't exactly make a law for that. We need to limit what kind of guns people can get, who can get a gun, and how long of a waiting period there must be. If we let anyone who wanted a gun have a gun, think of the number of accidental shootings. That alone should give us some pause.
"Blaming guns for murder is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'donnel (sp?) being fat"love that quote, so true :)
Diana wrote: ""Blaming guns for murder is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'donnel (sp?) being fat"love that quote, so true :)"
Actually that is close. The Quote is, "Blaming Guns for Columbine is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'Donnell being fat."
ah well i saw something like that on photobucket so yeah
"If we let anyone who wanted a gun have a gun, think of the number of accidental shootings."How would we have accidental shootings if the adults are the ones getting the guns? My parents just got a gun to protect our house and they've already explained to us that we're not even supposed to hold the gun if it's loaded before we go to get trained. However, I understand that there are probably parents that won't care to do that. I think that we should have better records on who buys guns (so that the ones who are dangerous with guns and shouldn't get them don't get guns). But if we take away the ability for the regular people, the stay-at-home mothers or the working fathers (or vice versa), then we're taking away a freedom and right that we have in this country. Taking away the ability to get guns won't stop the people who wants guns, like gang members. They'll just get them the illegal way, and then we'll all be screwed if we don't have weapons to protect ourselves.
Frankly.... a person who is going to use a gun for something wrong is not going to go to a store and register his name before he goes out and uses it. So the only purpose of keeping record of who has guns is for law abiding citizens. Now why would they need to keep track of law abiding citizens?Unless of course it was so that later, if the need ever arose, they could confiscate the guns to reduce uprising against tyrannical government.
That is a good point, mystery girl. However, even law abiding citizens can go bad and kill someone. But controlling who has guns will only control the good citizens who have guns, not the gang members or whomever else wants guns. If they want one, they'll find a way to get one.
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Guns are dangerous. They need to be kept track of. Same as medicines. Some aren't dangerous, but they are so easy to steal, we need to know where they are.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be some record just I believe there is plenty as currently exists and don't believe we need any more gun control. Also.... true people can go bad and decide to kill someone. However if it is something that they coherently think about they will purchase a black market gun that is unregistered to them. There is the chance that they will snap and commit a crime of passion without adequate thought.... in that case they will be caught a lot quicker.... but crimes of passion usually involve, beating, stabbing, or some sort of physical act because the person is taking out their aggression. (Believe me.... I've done the research.)
I agree.... guns are dangerous..... in the hands of an inexperienced person.... Jayda I think it was very wise of your parents to stress the fact that you're not to touch the weapon until you know how to handle it.
Everyone should have a healthy respect for any kind of weapon.... It just like with a car... you have to know what your doing or it can kill you.
Now people are so afraid of guns and scream "Oh its dangerous we need to get rid of them." But cars are just as dangerous and you don't hear people saying we need more 'Car Control' There are more car accidents that have resulted from people who don't know what they're doing or just didn't pay attention than accidental shootings. I don't have the statistics to back that up but think about how many car accidents you hear about on the radio daily and say I'm wrong.
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smart aleck......how many licensed drivers have had car accidents because they weren't paying attention?
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Smart aleck? It's called refuting your point. People here do that a lot.
What they were designed to do and what they're cable of are two different things. Cars kill people too and you missed the whole point. The main reason that is used for promoting Gun Control is accidental shootings and gang shootings, etc.
The number of accidental deaths from car accidents outweigh the number killed in accidental shootings and no matter how they were killed they're still dead. I'm not saying that it's not tragic but just because a certain number of people have given guns a bad rep does not mean that we should deture honest people from owning one.
For example.... I had two people very close to me killed in a head on collision a 34 yr old mother of 4 and her youngest daughter who was 2 yrs old her youngest son suffered a broken leg . They were on their way to her oldest child's track meet. Now her three children are without a mother and little sister. All because a driver in the oncoming lane didn't pay attention and crossed the center line. Lets say that years from now I get in the legislature and remember that accident I think..... "That could have been avoided if there had been more laws in place about driving. Like maybe only one car on certain stretch of road at a time." That bill would never be past.
I don't think that gun control should be enforced (except more to maybe keep track of the guns, but even that might be a bit much, considering our rights) but enforcing more laws on the road is a little bit ridiculous. My friend's brother was killed in an accident, while her other brother was paralyzed from the neck down. I know what it's like to have that kind of issue among us. But at the same time, forcing only one car on a certain stretch of road at a time would just make driving and getting places WAY more difficult than need be.I think that who gets the license should be what is controlled, not the laws. If they've had DUI's before than they need to only have a permit. If they DUI again they need it to be taken away for a long time in my mind.
But back to the subject - gun control is only slightly needed. I don't want my rights to own a gun taken away because some bad people shoot innocent civilians. What we need is a better monitoring system. Even then, it might be much. But no matter what happens, bad people will always manage to get their hands on a gun. That's why they're bad people xD
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Jayda I agree.... we don't need any more gun laws. Lauren...... one of the main reasons the founders gave us the right to own guns is so that we can defend ourselves against foreign invaders but most importantly against our own government should it come to dominate our lives.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-Thomas Jefferson
Yes, people create the act, not the object. But if that's the case, then we should be allowed to defend ourselves against those who create the act. The police have guns to protect us with, but they can't be everywhere at once, can they? I've heard so many 911 calls go wrong so that the police didn't get to the right place until it was to late. I want a gun to protect myself against the people who would use theirs against me. However, if they make it illegal to buy guns the men who want guns to harm people will get their hands on them. No law can stop them. That's why they'd end up as/are criminals.
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define crazy people..... if (lets say) the government wanted to take all the guns away.... they could classify anyone who owned a gun to be crazy..... crazy is a relative term.If you mean mentally retarded people.... there are already adequate provisions against that.
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Not crazy as in politically radical.
There are already adequate laws for those circumstances. I didn't mean politically radical...... I meant that if they have to they could falsify records and rule you mentally incompetent or that you have mental illness.
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Sometimes I think Jean Jacques Rousseau was right. People are born alright, but it's society that turns them evil.
:Man is born free, and everywhere he is in shackles.:
Jean Jacques Rousseau
