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May 09, 2012 09:42AM
Hannah. She needs to know that some boys are perverts and life is not always going to be easy. People will always talk shit about you behind your back, that's just the way humans are made. Insecure and flawed. Her reasons for suicide were seriously minor.
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I completely agree. I was more angry at Hannah for not helping Jessica at the party. Hannah stood idly by as Jessica was raped. I think her guilt made her look outward trying to find others to blame for how weak she was, when all along she was guilty of the very things she accused them of: standing idly by, not getting involved.
Glenda wrote: "And some people do that and obviously if this was true she sat in self-hatred and couldn't dig herself out of that hole, I don't think that is the only reason why she killed herself...Hannah wasn't sound and had a complete mental break down...That's true. Hannah is not a very mature teenager, especially not emotionally. When she is faced with the various terrible events she looks away or walks away trying to pretend it didn't happen; making suicide the ultimate get away for her. Asher makes Hannah, in many ways, a typical teenager.
i hated the one guy takin pics of her..was it...ugh i forgot his name :/
Everyone, but Clay contributed to Hannah's death, and Hannah is at the heart of it all. However, she didn't know how to ask for help. Not really. She kept pushing people away from her because the few people she trusted screwed her over. So, she trusted no one. Obviously, she did not have a close relationship with her parents because there is little mention of them. Her self-destructive behavior, pushing people away, especially Clay, etc. proves that she was VERY depressed. I don't think the point of the book is to blame the suicidal person, though. I think the point of the book is to recognize the symptoms of teen depression, start a dialogue about it (that scene in the classroom where no one wanted to talk about it - very realistic - I've seen this myself) and reach out to others, trying to be kind to them when we can. I also think that it's about not blaming yourself if you are like Clay, a person who wanted to help but for some reason couldn't. I was very close to a woman who committed suicide; she shot herself without leaving a note. It was the cruelest thing she could have ever done to her family and friends because we never learned why and she never said she was depressed. I have learned not to blame myself for things people do to themselves.
Kathleen wrote: "Everyone, but Clay contributed to Hannah's death, and Hannah is at the heart of it all. However, she didn't know how to ask for help. Not really. She kept pushing people away from her because the f..."i agree totally with everything you said about the book
Glenda wrote: I would hope I wouldn't be as extreme as Hannah was but I'm not about to call her immature either I'd prefer to understand the problem.I meant I thought Hannah was emotionally immature as most people her age are because of lack of experience. Add to that absentee parents and no one to confide in and Hannah gets desperate.
I agree with what you said to Kathleen:
Glenda wrote: "sometimes people do, do things that others influenced them to do. I think it is extremely important for an individual to reflect upon their own actions and contemplate if they could have done anything differently..."
I agree with this. The influence of one's peers can have such a huge impact on a person's actions. I think that's one of the reasons why it was so hard for any of the characters to speak up. Fear of what people would say or how they'd react. The scene I most remember is when Hannah is under attack in the booth. The feeling of being in a public place and no one reaching out to help is enough to make anyone feel hopeless.
Clay was my favourite and I hated Hannah
Bryce and Zach.Bryce is disgusting and Zach took away her hope which is the worst thing anyone can do. At first she was just insecure and could have come out of it but then Zach ruined her hope by taking away the notes from her bag. Destroyed her i think.
Hannah needs to deal with her issues and not let other people get to her. She needs to learn that what other people think of you is not important. What you think of yourself means everything.
To be honest with you all, I thought in the end of the book she's gonna end up alive and fall in love with that person who I forgot his name, And they'll live happily ever after =D =D So that's why when I finished the book I read the last 3 chapters again just to make sure she wasn't alive!
Guess what?
She wasn't =.=
Alex wrote: "i hated the one guy takin pics of her..was it...ugh i forgot his name :/"Tyler.
Probably Hannah. She was soo annoying and whiny and kinda of attention-seeking.
HANNA WAS THE WORST!
Hannah, most definitely. Mainly for the same reasons others have stated. Her reasons were so... It seemed she was just looking for any excuse she could find, pointing fingers at everyone but herself, when, really, that's who she should've been pointing at, because she allowed it.
Also, in the hot tub with Bryce that night at the party, Hannah just sat there like a bump on a log. She didn't tell him to stop, she didn't try to get away, nothing—she just sat there and let it happen.
What, was she expecting him to read her mind? Sorry, Hannah, but the real world doesn't work that way.
Also, in the hot tub with Bryce that night at the party, Hannah just sat there like a bump on a log. She didn't tell him to stop, she didn't try to get away, nothing—she just sat there and let it happen.
What, was she expecting him to read her mind? Sorry, Hannah, but the real world doesn't work that way.
CC ~* Waiting for Qhuay *~ wrote: "Hannah- because she could have stopped being the victim.Clay- sure he's goody goody but I see him as a coward. (sorry)
Lastly the popular jerk? I don't remember his name"
i disagree with you he is not a coward. he didn't know what was going on with Hannah. maybe you see him as a coward for not talking to hannah sooner but i mean anyone in his situation would have done what he did.
I HATED BRYCE!!!! I WAS SOOOOOOOO PISSED AT HIM AND WHAT HE DID, B***** RAPED A GIRL!!! man i have to calm down BUT STILL!! anyone agree?
the Guidance counselor/teacher, he didn't do anything to try to help Hannah! I mean, he started to go into the subject but come on now! Also Bryce and Justin, Bryce for being so....gah I'm not even going to say it. Justin, because he set this train wreck into action. I don't see why everyone is hating on Hannah. Hundreds, no thousands of kids commit suicide because of bullying! Why hate on this one character for doing something that happens every 5 seconds?! I loved Hannah and Clay, and truthfully I know a lot of people have said this, this book LITERALLY saved my life. I have been bullied and I feel Hannah's pain. This book helped me, A LOT.
Just saying (it might be me) but knowing that both someone's death and another person's rape is squarely on your conscious especially after all the other things she went through must be incredibly hard for someone to bare. I wouldn't be able to live my life with that sort of guilt and remorse. So to those said that they were "little things" I don't think either of those are little. Also Asher said that the whole purpose of this book was to make people reexamine the effects that every word we say and every simple decision we make can drastically impact someone else's life.For that reason I don't blame Hannah at all. I actually hate Justin the most because he really had no excuse for letting Bryce do what he did nor did he have the right to create rumors simply to gain popularity. Both of those actions disgust me as he failed as a person.
Pj wrote: "Just saying (it might be me) but knowing that both someone's death and another person's rape is squarely on your conscious especially after all the other things she went through must be incredibly ..."I completly agree with all of that. Those characters are disgustin, her reasons weren't small and I wouldn't be able to live with that guilt.
Also ironically a lot of people in this forum are acting like the kids in Hannah's peer communications class and treating suicide as something that's weak or that Hannah is worthy of blame.
i didn't like any of the characters in this book. i can see why teenagers can read and relate to that 'hopeless' feeling that comes with crippling depression (especially girls, since the main character is a girl, dealing with a lot of typical girly shit), but i thought the author indulged too much in fantasy. i mean, i get that most teenagers who choose to commit suicide would rather blame everybody else for their problems rather than looking at themselves, but i didn't like the way this book explored shaming and punishing everybody else through a series of tapes.also, generally speaking, i found Hannah to be totally unrelatable, as a victim of depression or even just a typical teenage girl. this may sound weird, but i didn't feel a lot of sympathy for the character when i was reading each awful thing that happened to her. the whole plot, the way it unfolded, was too far-fetched and silly and nothing like real life that it left a bad taste in my mouth. it just felt like fluff and had no real heart. so i couldn't feel much of anything, really.
i think books like Go Ask Alice and Speak do a far better job capturing a realistic portrayal of these sorts of subject matters, about depression, with actual thoughtful character development and things that ring true to how it really is for some teenagers.
Clay was the only character I really liked. His approach to receiving the tapes was to think about anything and everything he possibly could have done to contribute to her state of mind. He was likeable and sympathetic. I disliked Hannah very much. As has been said before, she expected everyone to figure out she was flailing and offer help, but she didn't seem to like the way the help was offered. There was no indication that her parents were bad people, yet she said nothing to them. The tapes were a way for her to get revenge for a decision she made all on her own. While I get the point -- that those little events snowballed and made her life impossible -- I still thought the tapes were petty and cruel. I found myself hoping that she was still alive and the tapes were more of a warning. That's an ending that would have made sense to me.
The character that I disliked the most was Hannah. I understand that suicide is due to depression and that she wasn't in her "right mind" but nonetheless I never could sympathize with her. Each action we take affects others and often we don't perceive how our words or actions hurt others. It felt as if Hannah quit trying to connect with others - again a sign of depression - but I can't imagine a typical teen picking up on these clues. As for the English teacher I am of mixed mind as to how he should have responded. I do think though that the tapes were very cruel, bullies and rapists probably don't care but the others will have to live with the guilt for the rest of their lives. None of us Hannah included are saints especially in the teen years.
My least favorite character was definitely Jusitn, i couldn't stand him!
Bryce and I definitely agree with Lena. So much happened to Hannah at once that she couldn't control it. She used to be such a vibrant girl with a good sense of humor. Bryce was super annoying
Bryce by far. His character was a horrible person and it was even worse to see it in real life (as in the t show) rather than just picturing it happening. Bryce is scum.
Courthey in the book she´s horrible and in the serie defenitly Hannah.
Hannah was my least favorite, but NOT because she committed suicide. I didn't like Hannah because of the tapes. Yeah, those people were the reason that you killed yourself but do you have to tell them like that? Did you have to pull Tony into it also? They should know what they did to Hannah was wrong, but you've scarred them for life and they're JUST TEENS. Bryce would probably stay terrible forever, but the others would've grown up and realized what they'd done on their own. Instead she pushed it in their faces that she was dead because of them and I don't think that's okay.
I understand that she killed herself, but she didn't need to send those taped out. That's not cool. And I understand that what they did to her wasn't cool either, but like I said. They were teens and so was Hannah. But seriously. Hannah went through a lot, but all she did was do the same to the people that did that to her. Revenge, right? Except she didn't need revenge.
I don't like Hannah Baker.
For me, it's pretty difficult to decide on one single character, but I think I have to go with Hannah.If you think about it, all of the characters are flawed in one way or another, some worse than others, but none of them are perfect. Which really makes sense, because, let's face it, that's the bitter reality of life. Most of the characters weren't even that unlikeable. Just imagine yourself in some of the situations they were in, for example Jenny's and now tell me that you would have acted any differently.
Sure, some were simply horrible and disgusting (mostly Bryce) and some were pretty fake (Courtney), but that's what everyone's faced with in their lifes.
Hannah on the other hand I just couldn't handle. It's not that I don't get her, because I do. I've suffered from an eating disorder and depressive tendencies for quite a few years now, so I understand that all of those little things can build up into this huge crisis. At one point everything just blows up und you can't deal with life anymore.
What I really didn't like was how she put the blame on everyone else. She didn't even seem to differentiate (this is mostly true for the book, the series is far better in this aspect). To her, the boy who ruined one memory seemed to be just as guilty as the one who raped her... which is just not fair.
It's also not fair to put the blame on everyone else, when she was the one who pushed everyone away. There were people trying to connect with her (especially in the Show), but she wouldn't let them. She never told anyone about it, but then she expects them to notice her cutting her hair (which ist, as far as I understood it, the only sign of suicidal thoughts that she actually shows) and connect that to depression.
This also relates to whether or not Mr. Porter could have saved her. Honestly, I don't think so. In my opinion, it wouldn't have mattered if he had said or done something differently, Hannahs mind was already set. As I mentioned, I've been dealing with psychological problems and as long as you don't want help you simply can't be helped. And Hannah didn't want help. So it's pretty unfair of her to put the blame on others.
Also, I agree with Kayli, she didn't need to put the others through those tapes. I'm somewhat sure that a lot of them already felt quite guilty.
So yeah, my least favourite character is Hannah.
I OBVIOUSLY hate Bryce with all my soul !
Justin. Hannah was his GF but then he allowed gossip to be initiated which hurt her badly. Later he did not prevent rape.About the tapes - they are just a means to make self-isolated girl talk openly, so they are for us, the readers to understand isolation from inside. In the book she felt isolated, stopped to communicate and went self destructive path. I do not think she sent them as revenge but she communicated her message/her perspective.
Damn, I finally understand why so many people either love or hate this book. Hannah's decision is very compromisable but she definitely wasn't one of the "bad" characters. If anything, this should go out to Bryce and Justin. Bryce for being an all out asshole. Justin for letting Bryce rape Jessica.
I thought the whole list was stupid. I think killing herself was something she already decided long before, and the list was just a way to make it seem ok and not her fault.
Definitely Bryce- there's just nothing that can justify raping a girl/going against girls' wills to satisfy his own pleasures. Justin still seems like he has a little conscience. Bryce is downright a villian.
I swear some of the responses to Hannah in the majority of these discussions infuriate me! It's ignorance like this that make people with depression and suicidal thoughts afraid to speak out. Imagine the thoughts of a suicidal person...imagine how hard it would be to actually physically harm yourself... you must be in a pretty bad state mentally to even think about doing it. Do some research people and I hope you never have to deal with any of these kinds of issues in your life.
OMG I HATE BRYCE! I hate Bryce because he such a like yucky person hes raped both Hannah and Jessica! I also dislike Justin a little because he should have never token the photo of Hannah on the slide and following on that i hated when Bryce maxed texted the whole school that photo and it was on Justin's phone!
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