Chandrian and Amyr

[Neal]

Was anyone else surprised that he didn't learn more about the Chandrian and Amyr during this book. So far, we have seen 2/3 of the series and Kvothe has learned next to nothing about the subjects he has been looking for almost from the beginning.

[Hitandmiss]

Really? I thought we learned alot, Most of the info is hidden in the stories and tales hes been told. If you compare the tale of The old man in the pub in Book 1 and the tale he got from the elder Shehyn we know most of the back story of who the Chandrian are and what they are about.

Amyr I think there might have been bits and peices dropped but not really noticed.

[Neal]

It seems that everything he has learned has been pretty much the same. He doesn't even know for sure if there are actually just seven. Shehyn gave him names and signs, but that is still just fairy tale stuff.

[Hitandmiss]

Neal wrote: "Shehyn gave him names and signs, but that is still just fairy tale stuff."

Thats the point of the book, We live in modern times were we can get videos and transcripts and data, They live in a time where word of mouth was the primary source of information, all these books where people know exactly what happened years ago is the real fantasy.

He knows how many were there on the night of his parents death.

[Neal]

At least it could be argued they can't purge oral tradition. Not without destroying entire nations anyway. Still, it does not seem like he has actually learned all that much in the two books so far. That means the next one is going to have to cover tons unless that is just being used as a red herring for the readers.

It funny though that Amyr is starting to be used by several fantasy authors. Rothfuss uses it, and I am pretty sure that Sullivan used it in one of his books also. Probably just homage to Jordan.

[Hitandmiss]

Well We knew nothing of dragons till the end of book 1,
We knew little of the Fae Till book 2,

How ever there are clues in book 1 of the Fae, and Im sure in Book 3 you will look back at book 1 and 2 and go "OH how did I miss that hint"

Theres quite a few sub questions that could be asked that I think hint at Amyr and Chandrian links.

Whos Dennas Patron?
Why did the archanist want to kill the king of Vint?
Whos the King Kvothe kills?
Whats the basis for the story they tell about Kvothe;
"Kvothe went looking for his hearts desire, But when he found it he had to fight an angel to keep it"?
Why does Dennas patron want a song about landre told that casts him as a hero when 2 stories clearly say hes evil
Why are there so many conflicting accounts on the chandrian being good/evil

*Forgive me for the SP and name butchery Its been a year since I read it"

Also I think you have to question What it is that makes someone a chandrian and Amyr. I think the Fae tree has a big roll in creating a chandrain, and the book Kvothe sees seems to imply that some of the nobles were Amyr in hiding.

[Neal]

I would be very surprised if Denna's patron was not one of the Chandrian. That would account for his actions and the song.

I think you are talking about the Amyr being good/evil not the Chandrian. There is also disagreement about the disolution of the Amyr. To me their story reminds me a lot of what happend to our Knights Templar. They got so powerful that kings and the church started portraying them as pagan worshippers and the like.

Maer wasn't the official king of Vint. The King was a separate person. Maer's family just refuses to give up powers they have when they were the rulers, but he is not king. I guess he would be an extremely powerful duke or the like.

I would not be surprised in the least if the king Kvothe winds up killing is Ambrose. There was an allusion in the second book that he is slowly moving up the line of succession. He is still way down, but who knows what will happen.

I don't remember the hearts desire quote. It has been a while since I read the first book, but I doubt it is a girl. It is more likely some kind of knowledge.

[Hitandmiss]

I'm of a similar mind on alot of the answers, however the point im making is that alot of these side questions hint at C/A involvment in World politics, Most obvious evidence being that the C's were stealing the Maers taxes (Thnxs for reminding me of this Name, I know hes not technicaly the king anymore But I remember the phrase used in the book more then his name :) )

[Neal]

It looks like the Chandrian are more overtly involved in stuff. The Amyr, there really has not been even any covert activity that could be atributed to them.

We have already met the Chandrian multiple times. I would also think we have met one or two people that belong to the Amyr as well. Elodin would be my choice for one, but I really can't think of anyone else that I would believe.

[Hitandmiss]

Heres that Quote for you;

"Chronicler found himself thinking of a story he had heard. One of the many. The story told of how Kvothe had gone looking for his heart’s desire. He had to trick a demon to get it. But once it rested in his hand, he was forced to fight an angel to keep it. I believe it, Chronicler found himself thinking. Before it was just a story, but now I can believe it. This is the face of a man who has killed an angel."

I think his hearts desire would either be Denna or Vengance, but seeing as he wants to keep it, Denna. Now fighting an angel? sounds like Amyr to me.

[Amit]

Lanre burned down 6 of 7 great cities (Skarpi's Story)and changed his name to Haliax
Enchanis burned down 6 great cities in 6 days until he was caught by Tehlu.

So Lanre=Haliax=Enchanis

And I have a strong feeling that Haliax is Iax the boy who caught part of the Moon's name in a box and had the funky house... I also think the house is the realm of the Fae.

What do you guys think?

[Hitandmiss]

Sounds plausible.

My one critic would be that Iax created the Fae realm, seeing as Lanre fought his war then came back and distroyed the Cities I doubt he would have time to create the realm and live there for long.

I think Lanre visited the Fae and spoke to the tree. He was told the future would contain nothing for him, so he decided to distroy it all, (would fit with his "So I choose to salt the Earth" quote).

[Josephjones]

"So Lanre=Haliax=Enchanis"

Definately the first two. Encanis I believe to be a separate force entirely. There are eight beings mentioned in the Adem story about the seven. One corrupter and the seven corrupted. I believe Encanis to be the one motivating force behind the seven. The thing giving them their purpose.