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As I read any book, I usually tell it to my husband as I read along. (view spoiler)[...As we were going through 11/22/63 and I told him about the book Jake was righting; he told me the book sounded a lot IT. Now I haven’t read IT yet and would like to know how correct my husband is? (hide spoiler)]
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jake meets some characters from IT if that is what you mean - the section in Derry is just after the ending of IT
Sandyboy wrote: "jake meets some characters from IT if that is what you mean - the section in Derry is just after the ending of IT"Okay, so on some level it does revere to IT... Better read it then! So I can all so get the bigger picture.
Thanks!
I thought it was so cool how they mentioned the characters from IT. It was interesting to think back to IT. It was after everything happened in IT. love that movie.
In my memory of S King's books, he has done these kinds of references to previous books many times. However, in almost every instance that I can think of, the reference was just a fleeting part of that entire book. In 11/22/63, that is definitely the case. But, please read this book any way since it is, in my humble opinion, one of King's all time bests.
I really enjoyed this book! It was real interesting to think about.
Dick wrote: "In my memory of S King's books, he has done these kinds of references to previous books many times. However, in almost every instance that I can think of, the reference was just a fleeting part of..."Will definitely do! Thanks.
I believe I caught a reference to another King novel in 11/22/63. Wasn't that Christine being driven by Sadie's ex?I may be mistaken, it has been too long since I read that book to remmber her exact year and colors.
Where can I find a listing of SK book references that he put in some of his other books? Do you think any hard core fans have ever cataloged this? I have been reading his novels for over 20 years and would love to see it all in one place!
There is a book out that has everything cataloged. Unfortunately I can;t remember the name of it but it is huge. It lists all of his characters, places in his books, ways he has killed of people, interesting quotes and tons of other things. I will have to see if I can find my copy (it's still packed away after a move). I don't think the book is still in print but you may be able to find it at a used bookstore or on ebay.Edit - I think there may be a revised edition - Complete Stephen King Universe: A Guide to the Worlds of Stephen King
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Complete Stephen King Universe: A Guide to the Worlds of Stephen King by Stanley Wiater,
Christopher Golden,
Hank Wagner; I'm not sure if this is the same one I have or another one. I might get it on my nook and will write later if it's a compilation of the same info or not.
I downloaded a sample - it's not the same one I have. It looks like it might be good for general King reference though. I really wish I could find the one I have...
Debbie wrote: "Where can I find a listing of SK book references that he put in some of his other books? Do you think any hard core fans have ever cataloged this? I have been reading his novels for over 20 years ..."it's not exhaustive as damn near everything connects to The Dark Tower but here's a stab at a list and what the books are connected to
Carrie
'Salem's Lot – connected to Wolves of the Calla
The Shining – connected to Misery
Rage
Night Shift
The Stand – connected to The Dark Tower and Eyes of the Dragon
The Long Walk
The Dead Zone – connected to Cujo
Firestarter – The Firm comes up in several other King books
Roadwork
Danse Macabre
Cujo – connected to The Dead Zone
The Running Man
The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger
Creepshow
Different Seasons – The Body connected to The Dark Half, The Sun Dog & Needfull Things
Christine
Pet Sematary – connected to Insomnia and therefore The Dark Tower
Cycle of the Werewolf
The Talisman – connected to Black House, Long Men in Yellow Coats and therefore The Dark Tower
Thinner
Skeleton Crew
The Bachman Books
It – connected to The Dark Tower
The Eyes of the Dragon – connected to The Stand and The Dark Tower
The Dark Tower II: The Drawing of the Three
Misery – connected to The Shining
The Tommyknockers
The Dark Half – The Sun Dog, Needfull Things & Stand By Me
The Stand – connected to Eyes of the Dragon & The Dark Tower
Four Past Midnight – The Sun Dog connected to The Body, Needful Things and The Dark Half – connected to The Body, The Sun Dog and Needful Things
The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands – connected to The Stand
Needful Things – connected to The Body, The Sun Dog and The Dark Half
Gerald's Game – connected to Dolores
Dolores Claiborne – connected to Geralds
Insomnia – connected to Pet Semetary and The Dark Tower
Rose Madder
The Green Mile
Desperation – mirror to The Regulators
The Regulators – mirror to Desperation
The Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass
Bag of Bones
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
Hearts in Atlantis – Long Men in Yellow Coats connected to Dark Tower
Secret Windows
Dreamcatcher
Black House – connected to The Talisman and The Dark Tower
From a Buick 8
The Dark Tower V: Wolves of the Calla – connected to Salem’s Lot
The Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah
The Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower
Cell
Lisey's Story
Blaze
Duma Key
Under the Dome – connected to Lee Childs Jack Reacher books
11/22/63 2011 – connected to IT so somehow connected to The Dark Tower
Dr. Sleep – sequel to The Shining
I loved "It" and when I read the references in 11/22/63 it made me think about that book and where is he going with the connection. I pulled my hardcopy off the shelf and refreshed my memory. Certainly I was not the only one to do this. So, I see a Stephen King manipulation trick here. This is a genius move! Reminds me of DeVinci Code.
i think there was a turtle reference yes - which made me wonder - and this is a really anal king observation - (SPOILERS FOR INSOMNIA AND 11/22/63) in Insomnia Roland roles over and sleeps better /when the boy is saved, so how come there hasn't been any moments where Roland has nightmares as the entire course of history is wiped by Jake in 11/22/63? surely at one point in 11/22/63 the gunslinger and co are all wiped out of existance by the changes in the time lines?
good point, i guess thinking about this for too long would make my brain hurt. it still would have been nice to have a brief one liner re the effect on the beams or the tower, maybe from the yellow card man.
Made me want to try Moxie.
After receiving 11/22/63 as a Christmas gift, it didn't take me long to start reading it. I loved this book because the plot reflected on a variety of story lines from love/romance, murders, mystery and time traveling into the past to prevent the assassination of JFK. Or, maybe it was the infatuation of the main character, George Amberson, aka Jake Epping. I'm wondering if there are truly still any men left like this character in the world. Although I predicted the ending, I enjoyed reading it all the same. And although the last few pages of this book are an "Afterward" thought from Stephen King, I was sad when I completely finished reading this book. Coincidentally, I've recently seen an old episode of The Twilight Zone, called "Back There", where Russell Johnson (Gilligan's Island), is transported back in time the day of Lincoln's assassination to try to prevent the same. I received Full Dark No Stars for Christmas last year. Yet, enjoyed reading 11/22/63 even more. I am currently reading Bag of Bones and was planning to read Under The Dome next. However, with all the reference to the movie "It" I may read that first. I recall having seen the movie years ago and am curious to how the book reads in comparison to that.
Michelle wrote: "After receiving 11/22/63 as a Christmas gift, it didn't take me long to start reading it. I loved this book because the plot reflected on a variety of story lines from love/romance, murders, myster..."the movie of IT is a TV non event, badly acted, paced and terrible special effects.
the book is far far better.
I agree with you Michelle; I think the ending was entirely predictable but none the worse for that. In a book about time travel, some things had to be expected. But there was a depth of emotion in this book that I haven't found in King's novels for a while. Under the Dome was getting there but we had the cartoon aliens to undermine it; Full Dark, No Stars had glimpses of it. I think he is really mellowing beautifully as a writer and this was my favourite King book since Misery, or the collaborations with Peter Straub. I haven't read IT for years and I think you're right, Kevin, King has done a great move there to get readers pulling that book off the shelves!
He also mentions Shawshank prison.
Stephen King's "The Dark Tower: A Concordance Volume I" by Robin Furth, is a great companion guide to the Dark Tower series. It explains a lot when you get the story lines confused!I noticed, quite awhile ago that most of his stories tie in together some how. I've been reading King since I was a teenager, and to me the fact that they do cross over just makes them seem a little more real. Hope this helps!
I'm so tired of SK saying there will nto be a sequal to IT, but then he is always hinting it is still alive in a lot of his books.
I'm surprised that the connection to The Shining hasn't come up yet. The whole ordeal with the Dunning Family: the way Jack describes how Frank Dunning became a monster whose crazed ways made him hardly resemble a human, and his murder weapon of choice, a hammer, made me constantly think of Jack Torrrance.
There were a lot of Easter eggs in this book, but the IT reference was the most obvious... There was also a Christine reference, an Shawshank reference, a Stand reference, and several Dark Tower references...
Most of his books make some reference or other to another character or book. Pennywise is pure evil so it should be no surprise that he would make an appearance in other books.
Lisa wrote: "I seem to be alone in this opinion, but the fact that King always references previous books in his current book irritates me. I'm not sure why, maybe like it's almost an inside joke that only the ..."I don't know, I have not read very many King books and so I did not pick up on most of the references. However, as a reader of only two of his books (a viewer of many of his movies)I don't take it as not being a part of an inside joke. I assume he connects his stories as a way of giving each one a history and a validity. Almost as if to say that if these completely different characters at a different time know about this other event it must have really happened. Kind of a way to make his "ghost stories" real.
I enjoyed the references. Its been many years since I have read and enjoyed a king book. I once was an avid reader of King, but stopped reading about the time Black house came out. I picked up cell once and the mist, but didn't get sucked in until this one was sitting on the discount shelf at Barns. This book reminded me of what I love about Kings writing and stories and made me want to revisit some of his well read books and maybe even try some of his newer books like Under the dome.
He also made a reference to "Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption" in 11/22/63
Lisa wrote: "I seem to be alone in this opinion, but the fact that King always references previous books in his current book irritates me."Understanding the references to earlier books is never necessary to enjoy the book your reading. You don't have to have read The Stand or The Talisman to "get" the Dark Tower books, even though they share a common "mythology."
How dense can I be? I was reading King 20+ years ago, but then there was a long break...reading 11/23/63 felt so familiar, I thought it was just his style that I remembered so well...now I realize what some of the familiarity was all about! I'll have to go back and read IT (which, at the time, I thought was his best book, of the ones I'd read)...just saying...
IT was a masterpiece. King's ability to juggle multiple characters while getting in the head of each(his specialty) makes it worth the read. Plus, it's scary as hell.But you don't need to have read IT to enjoy 11/22/63, but it does make an excellent novel even better if you enjoy King's mythology.
It's also evident that King's attention to POV has improved since writing IT. While IT was written in 3rd-person subjective, there are many instances where he crossed the line into omniscient POV. 11/22/63 is much more polished in this regard.
Sandyboy wrote: "Debbie wrote: "Where can I find a listing of SK book references that he put in some of his other books? Do you think any hard core fans have ever cataloged this? I have been reading his novels for..."Sandyboy, I'm curious as to what connections you make between a) The Shining and Misery and b) The Body (not called "Stand by Me") and The Dark Half?
Gretchen wrote: "I assume he connects his stories as a way of giving each one a history and a validity."Excellent point, Gretchen. I'm not bothered, either, but SK's constant cross-referencing between stories; I've taken pretty avidly to looking for these references in each of his new stories as they are published. However, it always just seemed like a game. Your notion that the cross-references serve to provide a "validity" to the SK universe is great. Jorge Luis Borges does something similar in his fiction but not exactly the same. Rather than cross-referencing his works, he creates "footnotes" in his pieces of fiction that serve to give the impression of a piece of non-fiction.
Debbie wrote: "Where can I find a listing of SK book references that he put in some of his other books? Do you think any hard core fans have ever cataloged this? I have been reading his novels for over 20 years ..."This may help: http://tessiedesigncompany.blogspot.c...
I was just about to post that. lol
Hated this book. I'm scared of clowns and this didn't help. I actually stopped reading King for 10 years or so because I hated this book so much.
Re connections between books Polly from Needful Things is mentioned in Bag of Bones and The Dark half is mentioned in Needful Things
Did anyone think George Amberson was writing "It" when he was writing his novel alongside the time travel memoir?
Spoilers for 11/22/63. Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the new future George/Jake creates the same dystopian united states from The Running Man?
Oh my goodness, that makes a ton of sense!
WHERE EXACTLY IS THE REFERANCE. CHARTER OR PAGE. THANK YOU
king likes to connect his books and that is part of his greatness. As others have mentioned, these connections make them great reads.
there's a link to Christine too - the red & white Plymouth Fury :)
The reference that got me the most was when Jake doesn't go near the nine where the animal bones are. He hears something calling to him but leaves it alone. As a reader of IT I know as adults Bev and Richie are part of the group that have to go back. It's like a nod to us saying don't forget Derry's story isn't over.
Theres a great graphic showing links through all his books on the Stephen King Message Board. Takes a lot of following and all credit to whoever worked it all out.
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