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Something People Have Never Really Noticed About Edward
Well one thing you have to remember is that Edward DID tell Bella he was watching her sleep. And after a few minutes, she was basically cool with it. So it's not like he was being creepy about it, he told the truth. And I don't really consider that stalking, stalking is following someone around all day and not telling them. Which, I admit, Edward did for a little while before he talked to Bella much but it wasn't supposed to be in the creepy sense.
Courtney wrote: "Well one thing you have to remember is that Edward DID tell Bella he was watching her sleep. And after a few minutes, she was basically cool with it. So it's not like he was being creepy about it, ..."I'm sure many stalkers would also say their actions weren't meant to creepy.
He told the truth, after MONTHS of invading her privacy supposedly to protect her. He could have, with his abilities, protected her from the sidewalk, the nearby woods ect ect. Coming into her room was a purely selfish act unnecessary for protecting her, considering his abilities.
When considering the definition of stalking below, perhaps Edward wasn't a stalker strictly speaking as Bella wanted this attention but a least at first when Bella had no knowledge of the events she could not consent and Edward had no way on knowing if these attentions were welcome or not, this is the part where he is a stalker.
Pathé and Mullen describe stalking as "a constellation of behaviours in which an individual inflicts upon another repeated unwanted intrusions and communications".[5]
Stalking can be defined as the willful and repeated following, watching and/or harassing of another person. Most of the time, the purpose of stalking is to attempt to force a relationship with someone who is unwilling or otherwise unavailable. Unlike other crimes, which usually involve one act, stalking is a series of actions that occur over a period of time. Although stalking is illegal, some of the actions that can contribute to stalking are initially legal, such as gathering information, calling someone on the phone, sending gifts, emailing or instant messaging. They become illegal when they breach the legal definition of harassment e.g. an action such as sending a text is not usually illegal, but is illegal when frequently repeated to an unwilling recipient. In fact United Kingdom law states the incident only has to happen twice when the stalker should be aware their behavior is unacceptable e.g. two phone calls to a stranger, two gifts following the victim then phoning them etc. However, the victim may feel they have been the victim of a stalking after one incident e.g. being followed home
In Midnight Sun, he did say "How is this better then some regular Peeping Tom? It isn't." and that was the first time he went to see her sleep. He only did it a few times before he told her. It was wrong of him to do it the first couple of times before he told her, but SHE was the one who became obsessed with him in a horrid way I think. Just look at New Moon. It really was twisted of her to do that to Jacob, making him think she wanted his friendship when REALLY all she wanted was to see hallucinations of Edward. Then that led to Jacob misreading what she was doing, and she just brought all of it on herself.
Courtney wrote: "In Midnight Sun, he did say "How is this better then some regular Peeping Tom? It isn't." and that was the first time he went to see her sleep. He only did it a few times before he told her. It was..."yeah, that made it more palatable to me, for some reason- the fact that he realized he was crossing a line but couldn't help it anyway...
Courtney wrote: "In Midnight Sun, he did say "How is this better then some regular Peeping Tom? It isn't." and that was the first time he went to see her sleep. He only did it a few times before he told her. It was..."I remember him, at some point on that first night, thinking "Her window creaks. I'll have to bring oil next time..." Stalker thoughts! Haha.
Veronica wrote: "Courtney wrote: "In Midnight Sun, he did say "How is this better then some regular Peeping Tom? It isn't." and that was the first time he went to see her sleep. He only did it a few times before he..."haha I know right lol even he admits to being a peeping tom
Veronica wrote: "Courtney wrote: "In Midnight Sun, he did say "How is this better then some regular Peeping Tom? It isn't." and that was the first time he went to see her sleep. He only did it a few times before he..."Haha, yeah I kind of thought that too. But he did say to himself "No...there shouldn't be a next time." or something like that. So he obviously knew he shouldn't but he did anyways, lol.
Jesserie wrote: "Veronica wrote: "Courtney wrote: "In Midnight Sun, he did say "How is this better then some regular Peeping Tom? It isn't." and that was the first time he went to see her sleep. He only did it a fe..."At least he drew the line at watching her sleep!
Courtney wrote: "Jesserie wrote: "Veronica wrote: "Courtney wrote: "In Midnight Sun, he did say "How is this better then some regular Peeping Tom? It isn't." and that was the first time he went to see her sleep. He..."thats true
Jesserie wrote: "Courtney wrote: "Jesserie wrote: "Veronica wrote: "Courtney wrote: "In Midnight Sun, he did say "How is this better then some regular Peeping Tom? It isn't." and that was the first time he went to ..."He could've been an actual peeping tom/stalker and the series probably would've turned out a different way. Though I'm not positive, Bella isn't the smartest person in the world.
Courtney wrote: "Jesserie wrote: "Courtney wrote: "Jesserie wrote: "Veronica wrote: "Courtney wrote: "In Midnight Sun, he did say "How is this better then some regular Peeping Tom? It isn't." and that was the first..."lol
Very true. That is why I am Team Jacob all the way!!!!!!
I'm Team Edward and I seem to be coming off as very Team Jacob haha.
i don't care if he is a stalker. he rocks!!!!!!!!
Ashley wrote: "Stephanie wrote: "The key is knowing reality from fantasy, that's one thing a lot of people (esp younger) don't have. That's where they can get into trouble using these relationships as an example ..."I agree.. it does set bad examples for the more impressionable people..
I have to say that without the "stalker" qualities, the idea of the love he has for her is amazing. To me, it's like imprinting with the wolves in a way.. she is everything to him, and while he makes stupid, controlling decisions, he does have a good reason at heart.. not that that makes it ok..
I love Edward! He is sugar and spice and every thing nice. First, Edward is just facsinated by her sleeping because he dosn't. Second,he is just being overportective. But everyone has their own opinions.P.s TEAM EDWARD! TEAM EDWARD!
Yep, Edward is a stalker. I think what makes it weird though is that Bella likes that about him.
Maya wrote: "I love Edward! He is sugar and spice and every thing nice. First, Edward is just facsinated by her sleeping because he dosn't. Second,he is just being overportective. But everyone has their own opi..."Why is her sleeping fascinating to him? He's been around for a hundred years he has seen people asleep before.
Ashley wrote: "Maya wrote: "I love Edward! He is sugar and spice and every thing nice. First, Edward is just facsinated by her sleeping because he dosn't. Second,he is just being overportective. But everyone has ..."It's fascinating because he can't sleep or dream, no matter how much he wants to.
So is that what he did with his nights before Bella? Creeped into peoples houses to watch them sleep??If he's been around for a hundred years he has seen people asleep before its not like she does it in some magically different way, is she juggling while asleep? reciting all the decimals of pi?
Ashley wrote: "So is that what he did with his nights before Bella? Creeped into peoples houses to watch them sleep??If he's been around for a hundred years he has seen people asleep before its not like she doe..."
Has he really though? Before Bella, he really just kept to himself and his family...
Courtney wrote: "Ashley wrote: "So is that what he did with his nights before Bella? Creeped into peoples houses to watch them sleep??If he's been around for a hundred years he has seen people asleep before its n..."
except for that brief bit of time he went around murdering 'bad' people, or all the other schools/ universities he has attended.
Ashley wrote: "Courtney wrote: "Ashley wrote: "So is that what he did with his nights before Bella? Creeped into peoples houses to watch them sleep??If he's been around for a hundred years he has seen people as..."
But that's basically all he's done with his vampire life, right?
yeah, I think you're right, courtney- he was probably still a human the last time that he watched someone sleep...also, that's not the only reason he watched her- he also thought he was protecting her, he was obsessed with her, he wanted to hear what she said in her sleep, and he was trying to inure himself to her scent...
And it WAS protecting her, especially with the whole Victoria thing in Eclipse.
Delena18 wrote: "OMG *rolling eyes* why ppl giving so imp to Edward being stalking when bella too likes it after he tells her abt night visit... n he still continues ..... and his so called stalkish behaviour save..."
So Jacob was in love with an un-produced ovum in Bella's body...thats still pretty gross.
And what does 'so imp' mean??
Courtney wrote: "And it WAS protecting her, especially with the whole Victoria thing in Eclipse."A lot of stalkers use the excuse of "I was protecting her" and "because I love her" as excuses for their actions.
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "@Kirby: Posted something on your profile. I'm not sure if you've seen it but I thought I'd mention it now. :)"lol, I had not! I'm not very good at checkin' it...so thanks for the heads up, I'm gonna go see! :D
Kirby wrote: "Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "@Kirby: Posted something on your profile. I'm not sure if you've seen it but I thought I'd mention it now. :)"lol, I had not! I'm not very good at checkin' it...so tha..."
Hah, I hardly check mine either. xD
Book Worm wrote: "Okay first off, I just wanted to say that, yes, I do like Twilight. There I said it. I'm a bit embarrassed, but hey, I like what I like. Anyway, the thing you may not have noticed about Edward is t..."I agree. Total stalker. Extremely creepy.
I personally don't see Edward as a stalker, although there were some good points made for him being one. I guess I don't mind obsessive heroes in romance novels as long as they aren't abusive and cruel (I've seen some that did give me that heebie jeevie feeling and Edward doesn't). To me, I saw it as Edward's powerful love for Bella, and I know the last thing he'd ever do was hurt her in any way. I think Kierstin's post makes a lot of sense. I mean, this is a book about supernatural creatures. It's not real life and it shouldn't be taken as real life. I don't think of any fictional book as a behavioral guide, and I think parents need to be careful about what they let their kids read, or at least make sure their kids have the standards for behavior that supersede any other influences kids may encounter.
I read these books as a grown woman and I loved them and Edward. I think he is a flawed character, which is fine with me. What I do like about his character is he really does love Bella and wants to do what's best for her.
Honestly, watching Bella sleep is not the creepiest thing about these books. As much as I love Edward, the whole thing about him being cold and stony, and his teeth having venom so that he has to be careful when he kisses Bella is pretty off-putting when I think too hard about it. However, I think Meyer is essentially writing her own Beauty and the Beast tale, where the Beast is both beauty and ugliness, and the Beauty has a whole lot of issues on her own. As a romantic, I like the idea that pretty screwed up people can find a true love, so that's why this story resonated with me.
As for this story being unacceptable for younger readers, eye of the beholder. There are a lot worse things for a young person to read. However, each parent needs to make that decision for themselves. I'd be comfortable if I had a younger teen who wanted to read these books, and we'd have a discussion about fantasy and reality long before she/he read them or any other fiction novel, for that matter.
Never thought of that...But I would actually freak out if I woke up in the middle of the night and someone was watching me! LOL
Book Worm wrote: "Um, I know this is going to sound wierd because I just wrote the whole, Edwards a stalker thing, but I'm team Edward. Yes, Edward is a stalker in the first book, but Bella doesn't really love Jacob..."Well He didnt exactly lie to make bella seem dead. He was telling the truth. Her dad was really at a funeral just not bella's. Edward just took it the wrong way and shit got mized up. Plus Why even try to get yourself killed over that? I mean edward doesnt even like Jacob and Jacob doesnt like him, so why believe him? Go over there and find out for yourself, it could be a lie (Or in jacob and edward's case a mix-up). All i gotta say is edward was being dumb for believing him. I do like edward but since Jacob is hot and TAN<3....I gotta be Team Jacob<3
He is a COMPLETE STALKER, so is Peeta which is why I don't like him either!
It's not stalkerish, it's kind of romantic, actually no, it isn't romantic at all it is kind of weird, but hey, it makes it interesting
The whole reason that Edward was "stalking" Bella was because he had feelings for her that aren't explainable to humans. He didn't want to have the feelings either, so he was trying to protect her by fighting the feelings. He watched over her...like he said, "he felt protective" of her. And he could read the thoughts people were thinking about her. So initially he was protecting her from himself and from others. After talking to her he couldn't stay away from her anymore. I think that's the point. He was ALWAYS looking out for her and protecting her. As for our normal human interpretation, we're not supposed to hold on to those...it's fantasy. It's a book to escape reality and not take so literally out into the world. Stephenie has been interviewed and said she didn't write the book targeting young adults (teens), she had a dream and wrote it. No targeted audience in mind. She's even admitted that her writing skills are still rough.
That Edwards new haircut makes him look like he's not only been on crack but he randomly decided one day"Hey I'll stick my finger in a light socket and see how that works out,"
And I will admit he and bella are a cute couple but I just had to get that off my chest
Cookiermonster454136 wrote: "That Edwards new haircut makes him look like he's not only been on crack but he randomly decided one day"Hey I'll stick my finger in a light socket and see how that works out,"
And I will admit h..."
Hahahah... I like the bouffant.
I don't like his 'do in the wedding, that was just "bleck" to me.
Has Anybody else noticed that when Edward drinks Bella's Blood in the first book, his eyes don't turn red. i thought it was a bit weird.
He didn't drink enough blood to turn them red I suppose.
ok, coz it doesn't really explain it in the book.
Alexia wrote: "Has Anybody else noticed that when Edward drinks Bella's Blood in the first book, his eyes don't turn red. i thought it was a bit weird."It probably takes a lot more blood then that to turn them red once they're a different color.
their eyes turn red when their primary diet is human blood...
Book Worm wrote: "Okay first off, I just wanted to say that, yes, I do like Twilight. There I said it. I'm a bit embarrassed, but hey, I like what I like. Anyway, the thing you may not have noticed about Edward is t..."Bookworm you have taken the words right out of my mouth. I thought you say that he's loving and only misunderstood but I feel so much better hearing you say it aloud.
Book Worm wrote: "Okay first off, I just wanted to say that, yes, I do like Twilight. There I said it. I'm a bit embarrassed, but hey, I like what I like. Anyway, the thing you may not have noticed about Edward is t..."Trust me, people have noticed this.
Stalker end of story
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