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Why don't more people read Self-published authors?
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I did this with my very first book. Since then I've learned a lot by reading books and blogs from some tremendous people, all well-known and respected in the industry.
I also found a publisher with one of my books who said he would like to publish my three self-published books as well. I have now 9 published and a tenth with the publisher at the moment.
But it's not only the spelling and grammar. There is the use of cliches, over-explaining, too much back story, not enough (or too much) about the setting, not enough character development etc.
I'm currently reading a book by a talented young writer who self-publishes. The book is excellent, but the formatting is very poor.
Now there are many excellent self-published writers, and I would not refuse to read a book just because it's self-published. Formatting is a minor problem, but too many grammatical and spelling (and misuse of words) is off-putting. But I have read, and will continue to read, these books as long as the story is good and keeps me engaged.
People who refuse, on principal, to read self-published authors are missing a lot of excellent books. Their problem!

Unfortunately, too many aspiring writers are too eager to enter this extremely competitive field before first expending the time, energy, and resources to learn and then perfect the necessary skillset required.
Very few writers, regardless of the method utilized to publish their works, ever succeed commercially within this extremely competitive field. That said; some have. One will never know if they could have been one of the success stories if they never try.

Being traditionally published doesn't guarantee that your story is going to be liked by everyone. It doesn't guarantee your book will be successful.
There are certainly some people who choose to ignore self-published books for whatever reason and that's okay. Everyone can decide for themselves.
I like good stories no matter where they come from or who wrote them.

It occurs to me that there are very few other walks of life where someone thinks they can enter without any training whatsoever, yet lots of people think they can write a book without looking into the hows first.

Oh, I think there are quite a lot. How about photography, pure art, dancing, etc. The enthusiastic amateur is everywhere. And let's not forget politics, as all too many in that walk of life are just chancers, snake-oil salesmen and charlatans.

On the job training.

I like your spirit Leslie! You tell them!

'OJT' ('on-the-job training') is only as effective as the advice, expertise, and sound information and instruction available to the candidate attempting to learn the job while trying to do it.

There are issues with format, spelling and such with published books too. I went with a publisher and still had issues, version 2 and ebook was delayed due to the oversight for these issues.

Being traditionally published doesn't guarantee that your story is ..."
Very true, just because you write a book doesn't mean you are going to make the New York Best Seller List at Release or maybe that will never happen. Self published tends to lean more toward less credible for nonfiction.

On another note.. I've noticed that some famous actors in Hollywood do not do a good job as a narrator with some audiobooks on Audible. Their voice is better reserved as their own, rather than mimicking another character... or just not even trying to add accents or tone in their voice, like a lot of professional voice actors do.

Nobody loves reading a self published author. They enjoy reading good books. Unfortunately most SP books are pure crap. The very very rare one that is any good is well hidden in the pile of stuff that everybody who thinks they are an author has SPed.
When I find a book it comes from a tradpub, which while still having a very low batting average, at least has an order of magnitude better chance of being decent than any SP book.
Like my bookie said, the race is not always to the swift, the battle not always to the strong, but that is the way to bet.
Wmba wrote: "Nobody loves reading a self published author. They enjoy reading good books. Unfortunately most SP books are pure crap. The very very rare one that is any good is well hidden in the pile of stuff that everybody who thinks they are an author has SPed. ..."
You are quite categorical and quick to speak for other readers, it seems. Many people read and enjoy books by self-published authors, nothwithstanding your personal opinion on that. Yes, many SP books are of low quality, but others often can be the equals of more 'traditionally published' books. As for being crap, you can refer to some trad 'bestsellers' that are quite atrocious (Fifty Shades of Grey being one example). Don't put down what you haven't even read yourself.
You are quite categorical and quick to speak for other readers, it seems. Many people read and enjoy books by self-published authors, nothwithstanding your personal opinion on that. Yes, many SP books are of low quality, but others often can be the equals of more 'traditionally published' books. As for being crap, you can refer to some trad 'bestsellers' that are quite atrocious (Fifty Shades of Grey being one example). Don't put down what you haven't even read yourself.

After a successful career, I am rebuilding a new career. I am a debut SP author having released my first book Nov 2020, my next will come in June 2021, and the third by early 2022. So far I have received rave reviews, even a strong review from KIRKUS and other professionals.
I spent years working on my first book, re-writing dozens of times, hiring development editors, getting beta readers, hiring professional designers, formatters and editors, taking classes, and getting rejected by agents while beta readers raved. I got fed up waiting and decided to get out there. While my reviews are rocking, the sales are slow, but the more I read, even with trad publish authors is that it takes time to build up. Knowing that some judge my book based solely on SP is discouraging, but the reality.
The problem with traditional publishing is that they are less interesting in finding talent, than finding someone with an existing audience or brand. I saw that V.M. mention that he SP three quality books before a publisher would agree to work with him makes sense as they are looking for credibility in the crowd.
I spend time, effort and money to produce the kind of quality I would buy in the story, editing and production. It's hard to find quality team at an affordable price, but not impossible. I am not against trad publishing, but I am unwilling to wait to be discovered when I can slowly build an audience by creating great stories, and characters that people love to read. I am new, but hoping that great reviews from industry standard bearers such as KIRKUS can make a difference.

When I started, I made the commitment that I wanted my books to sit easily next to trad published titles. I saved to ensure I had the start up capital for this venture. I invested time and effort to build a team of professionals for my business - from my cover artist, editor, proofreader to my fantastic audio narrator.
Self publishing gives me the freedom to write the weird little off-genre tales I want to tell (that trad didn't want, because they "wouldn't sell"). I have found a growing number of readers who enjoy those stories, and I'm now in the position that my books are earning more than my day job.
When I'm chatting to my readers, they all talk about what they love about the stories, not a single one has commented on them being self published. Most readers don't care how a book is published, it's what they find behind the cover that matters.

I have to ask if you have read 50 Shades?
Many people slam it as being atrocious but they have never read it. I have (and I devoured the Twilight saga as well) and what many detractors fail to appreciate is what those books do absolutely and spectacularly well - they pull the reader along on an emotional journey they keeps us up late at night. The hook is so big and deep, that readers simply don't notice the issues with the prose.
I realise its a hijack, but FSOG and Twilight are great examples of story trumping style. If the story is compelling enough, readers will forgive grammatical problems. But a book with perfect grammar and no story, will always fail.

Unfortunately, far too many self-published authors prematurely expose their work to the public before first expending the time, energy, and resources required to obtain the knowledge and develop the skillset required to succeed within this extremely competitive field.

If you..."
Hi Diana. I realize this is an old post, but I was curious where you found the data that shows self-published author ranking dropping? Thanks Nora

I'm an indie author. I try to be sensitive to the expectations of readers and I think one way indie (self-pub) authors can help themselves is by making sure their book presentation is as professional as possible, no typos, good layout, adequate cover, etc. Just my opinion, you understand.

I think this is absolutely right. Indie authors get a bad rap for typos, sloppy presentation, etc. All we can do is put our best efforts into making our product as professional as possible. I find the editing rounds - copy editing, proof-reading and page design harder than breaking story and getting a first draft out.

Nora, Diana, Is it to do with the sheer volume of books that are being uploaded to online platforms these days?

Exactly this. The editing stages take as much effort as getting the story down in a coherent form in the first place.



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There is a woman I am friends with on FB, we grew up in the same neighborhood. She had about 8 books available on Amazon and there are typos in the title of the book! On. the. cover!!! And, of course, because I can see her progress as she makes posts online, she actually did write a book of about 150 pages in four days and posted it. That doesn't even leave time for her to reread what she wrote.
Part of me wants to applaud the effort and I would never knock a fellow writer, regardless of skill level, but those actions make it that much harder for those of us that take the time to write, edit, edit some more, restructure, revise, hire an editor, and then format our books to make them as professional as possible. It's extremely frustrating. (For readers as well, who have to weed through all the bad apples to find one good one).

It took me 14 months of writing, proofreading, and soliciting others' opinions to produce what I believed to be a polished manuscript ready for publishing. Evaluations and input from a copy editor, conceptual editor, and layout design artist revealed that my manuscript was neither polished or ready for publishing.
11 additional months of rewriting and polishing, based upon the input and suggestions from the above mentioned professionals, finally did provide a manuscript worthy of publication.
My one and only novel was commercially available from Aug. 9, 2011 through Dec. 31, 2016 when the publisher filed for bankruptcy and went out of business; perhaps due to signing too many authors like myself.
During its nearly 5 1/2 years of commercial availability, the novel sold only 1,029 units (485 paperback, 480 e-book, 36 audio on CD, and 28 audio download).
Even though it was not a commercial success, I have the personal satisfaction of having shared with others an idea for a story that had been fermenting and evolving within my brain for many years.
I am not a prolific writer so my first novel will be the only one. That's okay though. There are other things I am eager to do, places to visit, and people to meet. No regrets!
Very few novice writers ever succeed commercially within this extremely competitive field. That said; some have. I wish you success.

Gordon wrote: "Nora wrote: "I am late to this discussion, but have found the thread interesting. I am convinced Amazon would not have created Kindle Direct if there was no customer demand. From my perspective the..."
Agreed. But even in the world of forty hour work weeks, success is 'usually' based on being prepared, working hard, and not being afraid to ask for help.

Well said Trish. I still have much to learn about writing, and punctuation is my weakness. I'd be dead without an editor.

Well said Jim.

Thanks for the encouraging words Thomas.
I have and idea that's blossoming in my mind that may be a way to help all of us beginners. Back to everyone soon.

I don't understand why some people think that self-published = very bad book. It is so stupid. Read some of them and you will see. Try to write and making all by yourself and you will see.
One of my book has been published by an editor (after being self-published) by it has closed. And i'm very happy of that because i have now all of my rights. Having an editor will not allow more visibility if they are not known and if they just don't promote it. It was my case.
I'm self-published and proud to be self-published !
Tia Cotant
My author blog: https://tiacotant.wordpress.com
Tia wrote: "I'm a french self-published author. I'm 15 years old. My books has been correct by two french teachers of my school and some persons of my family but there was always some errors. So nobody can be ..."
Je suis content de voir un autre écrivain francophone indépendant se manifester sur Goodreads.com. I am happy to see another French-speaking self-published author on Goodreads.com.
De Michel, in Québec.
Je suis content de voir un autre écrivain francophone indépendant se manifester sur Goodreads.com. I am happy to see another French-speaking self-published author on Goodreads.com.
De Michel, in Québec.

The topic question made me think as to why I may not be reading more self-published authors and the answer came back as: access. How am I hearing about the books I'm interested in reading? That means in my opinion it comes down to publicity.
Self-published authors, myself included, need to get the word out about their books to generate reader interest. There's only so much time in the day and people by habit go to the websites/podcasts/blogs/etc that they normally frequent.
So independent authors need to promote, promote, promote.

T..."
I am sure you are absolutely right Steven. As you say "There's only so much time in the day," and that is not just a problem for readers, it is a major one for authors, the majority of whom know very little about publicity and therefore how to spend their limited time productively.


My personal theory is that too many self-published authors may publish their work before performing the due diligence required to minimize errors or rely upon their own proof-reading skills or those of close acquaintances who are more likely to see what they anticipate rather than what is actually there.
Investing in input from an unbiased, qualified copy editor and conceptual editor pays big dividends, including a more professional, polished end product. The adage Anything worth doing is worth doing well is well worth heeding.
Unfortunately, very few novice authors ever achieve commercial success within this extremely competitive field. That said; some have. I wish those who do enter the field success. Even if commercial success is not the individual's goal, he/she, no doubt, wishes to publish the best work possible.

Forgive me if I'm beating a dead horse, but there are so many replies to this lively discussion that I haven't read them all. As someone who's made plenty of mistakes and unleashed my first book out into the world as a self-publisher....I don't expect to quit my day job.
However, I do expect to release quality books that will benefit people (I'm a self-help/personal development author). I also expect them to be as professionally done as possible. Jim (the commenter just above) is correct that anything worth doing is worth doing well. I spend around $1000-$1500 per book on an outstanding cover design, editing, proofreading, formatting to Kindle, and other costs to deliver the most polished product I can - my readers deserve no less than a great read.
Of course, there's stiff competition. I firmly believe that unless you have a way to tie your self-published book into a larger set of products (ex. Tony Robbins type of coaching, etc.), don't expect to make a living self-publishing. Writing and publishing books should be for your own enjoyment and the thrill of being able to release a great message or story to the world. Believe in what you write, even when it seems like no one cares.
It is work on the part of the author to get their books in front of readers, but the efforts are worth it and even the small successes like positive reviews are confidence-builders along the way. I'm still learning the processes and ways to promote my present and future books, and I find the efforts worth it. More readers should give self-published authors a chance. I read plenty of books by them and some are very good.


Self-published authors rarely follow the rules and structure of literary writing. Which usually throws off the reader.
But there is always that diamond in the rough that may not tick all the rules of literature, but could certainly be a ground breaking story.
That being said, please check out A Prophecy of Dawn. I have had very good, but very few reviews. Lets work together to break the negative assumptions about self-publishing and self-published authors.
Thanks.

Every avid reader develops their own unique expectations and measurements to determine whether a book is great, good, mediocre, or not worth reading. One reader's Best book ever! may very well be another reader's Worst book ever!.
The literary field is extremely competitive. There are literally millions of published authors. Most will never achieve notoriety or commercial success; however some have. There is no reason why you might not eventually become one of them. Do not allow anyone to discourage you.
Write and publish how, when, and as often as you want.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who matter don't mind, and those who mind don't matter."
Bernard Baruch (Financier/Statesman/Author) 1870 - 1965

well, you get the picture. I'm on a self-published author kick right now and not really r..."
Kudos to you.

Hi Jim. I believe there is a certain stigma to self-publishing, as in the author wasn't good enough to get his/her book into the hands of an agent or independent publisher. When my first book came out, a friend and colleague responded "oh" when I said it was self-published. And over the years I edited a number of self-published authors whose books and writing were excellent. So we keep on doing what we like to do.

Be proud as a self publisher, you are doing something that the publishing system did not have the brains or guts to do. The only stigma to self-publishing is good stigma!

This is something I agree with. I definitely read a mix of trad and self-pub, there are some good trad pub authors out there, and I'll probably post recs in another discussion thread on this group, but there have also been authors (both trad and self), where there's been a book that I've read that's been on more of the bland side, even though the editing and all that have been present.
In my opinion, I think that self-pub can get away with a bit more in terms of characters, world and story than trad pub can. Sometimes trad pub can over-edit (esp. developmentally) where the story itself becomes a bit stale.
Overall, I have come to enjoy self-pub a little bit more than trad pub - but will definitely read gems from trad pub.
There are those in self-pub that just put books out there that aren't edited or presented in a way that ends up putting a reader off.
In regards to my own author journey so far - the editing of my manuscript started at the end of January this year (2021), and only finished in June. Three rounds of editing were done - and I also got a cover designed as well. One thing I pointed out in a group I'm in on Facebook - with this being a debut novella, I'm new to the professional writing world and have a lot to learn. I'm not going to get everything right on the first try.
There was one particular thing in my manuscript that two editors pointed out to me. I adjusted this as much as I could with what I know and how at this stage of my life, and still decided to release it even though it won't be perfect. I suspect that there was one or two things that are going on in my home life that might have bled into this manuscript. Despite this, I'm still releasing the book - I've got to start somewhere. I can't wait until I'm either a better writer or until things have improved to release a book - I'll be waiting a long time before releasing a book if I had to do that...
Overall, I think self-pub authors are worth reading, and sometimes I think we can give grace to those who are in the beginning of their career - those that might not have all the answers yet. I've read my share of good and not-so-great self-pub authors. : )

Some very encouraging comments in this feed. Authors should take the path they want. Thankfully, the choice is a free one to make and there are no barriers to entry for self-publishers (apart from a base cost). Every book contains a bit of ourselves and for every reader you are giving them an experience (good or bad!).
The writing experience is a truly valuable one whichever route authors take.


I've also had considerable editing costs this year (as well as getting a book cover done) - and even though this beginning stage is tough, carry on going. Hope that everything goes well for you - and hope that even though there were some editing mistakes, that the editing costs still pay off in the future despite that. Good luck!
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