Mockingjay
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Mockingjay? Pointless? Depressing? **spoiler alert***
i wouldn't say pointless, it was very important. if i didn't read it, there would be a lot of things unanswered and the ending would be totally different. it was sadder than the other two, but i liked it.
If Prim hadn't been killed, would Katniss have gone thru with killing the new president, Coin? I think that's why Collins had to end it the way she did. If Prim hadn't died, Katniss probably would've just gone along with the new regime and there would have been few true changes in their society. Prim's death galvanized Katniss into acting on her own principles rather than just surviving each new crisis.
A lot of people find the ending of the series hard to stomach. In actual fact it is pretty uplifting compared to many books that examine our potential future in this sort of way - at least there is hope!It is the same as with the whole Gale versus Peeta thing. I think that had Katniss ended up with Peeta you might as well have had Primrose grow up and end up with Peeta and thrown in a few sparkles ;) ...
The reality is that life doesn't go how we expect - and more so in a place where you have NO control over what your life actually is. Even by changing things as much as she did, she stilldidn't have total control over her life. I didn't see her as being happy, I saw her more as being content. Which is actually a lot better than happiness as happiness is generally fleeting. Time had passed (she said that it took Peeta what, 15 years to convince her to have kids) so the rawness that existed earlier would have passed with it. And to spend 15 years wallowing in the pain and loss would turn you into Haymitch.
PEETA BEING HIJACKED WAS NOT FAIR!!!!!! :'(Sorry. I'm just so sad. *sniffles*
pointless indeed. depressing, oh yeah. an awful, awful way to end? probably. still an ending that makes sense though. collins made a good save, with ending bittersweet.
IUHoosier wrote: "If Prim hadn't been killed, would Katniss have gone thru with killing the new president, Coin? I think that's why Collins had to end it the way she did. If Prim hadn't died, Katniss probably wo..."
I didn't think of it this way.... I was pretty disappointed with the ending finnick and prim being killed...gale leaving, where's his happy ending, her mother abandoning her, haymitch well what happened to him and peeta and katniss relationship was never the same.
I just thought there was to many things left hanging like it was wrapped up to soon. I didn't think of the bit about prim dying in order to kill coin, that makes it a little bit better lol
Hannah wrote:.gale leaving, where's his happy ending ..."Gale did get his happy ending - all the way through politics, revolution and creating a better world were his passions. Being on 12 with Katniss would have strangled him. Going to create that better world is way more what he needed. Happy endings do not need to involve another person.
Kylie wrote: "Hannah wrote:.gale leaving, where's his happy ending ..."Gale did get his happy ending - all the way through politics, revolution and creating a better world were his passions. Being on 12 with ..."
yes, yes
i honetly don't think it was "depressing". just very deep and kind of dark.... then again, my mom calls me an emotionless robot.........
The whole series was supposed to be dark and serious and about loss/pain and that sort of thing. It would've been nice if the series ended with Katniss riding off into the sunset with everything she wanted, but that wasn't the point of the books.I cried at the end of Mockingjay (a lot hehe) and for a while I decided that it was the worst book ending I'd ever come across, but now I get it more. Also, Prim's death was sort of what led to Katniss's retiring as the Mockingjay. If she hadn't, she might have ended up as the government's personal mascot for the rest of her life.
I think that Finnick's death was unnecessary, though. And it was barely talked about! One second he was with them, the next he was left behind and the rest of them ran off without a second thought about him. I thought that SC could have let the characters take some time to feel sad about his death at some point.
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Kayla wrote: "The whole series was supposed to be dark and serious and about loss/pain and that sort of thing. It would've been nice if the series ended with Katniss riding off into the sunset with everything sh..."I agree about Finnick! It felt like it was death just for the point of death! Totally agree with everything you said. :)
I loved every book of the series, and I was no dissapointed with this one, I think all the books had very sad stories and plots though. My cousin said out of the three this was her fave, because it had many more feelings put into it.
I agree with you @Annie. Mockingjay was horrible. Pointless and depressing, yeaaaaah.
I loved the first 2. :l Mockingjay was a disappointment.
I loved the first 2. :l Mockingjay was a disappointment.
I loved the book, because I feel like it was a good climax, albeit it went a little fast and slow at the same times. One minute, they're in the shop for days, next thing half their group is dead and they're on the run! I did like it though.
I hated MockingJay! I felt like Suzanne Collins just got tired of the books and decided to either kill the characters or make them go insane. By the end I was just like "Please! End it already!" The first two books were absolutely amazing and I was expecting this last one to be amazing. I was extremely disappointed.
I honestly totally saw the death of Prim, because of how much Katniss fought for her survival, it was only a matter of time.I hated how it just ENDED. I honestly wish she would have developed the trial and the hullabaloo that Katniss (yet again) created further. To just end the story was almost irresponsible.
The third book is a mess. It was poorly written, for starters, and the author/editors misunderstand dark & depressing as deep & meaningful. Such a shame, as it will poison the legacy of the first two books over the coming decades. I'm sure all of the lefty intellectuals who expressed their unease with the "glorification: of violence in Hunger Games have now given their approval because of the moral of the trilogy. But that moral (violence begets misery) is a smack in the face to the history of real revolutionaries who show that violence is essential to liberty. A condescending mess.
I though the 3rd book was somewhat boring, to be honest. Not that it wasn't beautifully written - I just found myself sloughing through all of this depressing stuff until the last quarter of the book when the action picked up and things got awesome. But then *spoiler alert* Prim died and I was rather disappointed that Collins killed her off. But that's just me. Oh, and Finnick's death was terribly sad, too!!!!
I don't think she needed to exclude Haymitch and include that other guy whos name I can't even remember.. What was the point in that. It was all too different and the deaths where just blah. I mean I understand thats the whole point, she wanted to show the true colors of war - one minute you're alive, the next you're dead - but still. Did it have to be so ehhh??
Cinderela wrote: "I don't think she needed to exclude Haymitch and include that other guy whos name I can't even remember.. What was the point in that. It was all too different and the deaths where just blah. I mean..."You said it. The deaths were just 'blah.' ;)
The 3 books did not arch well together. Hunger Games was a retelling of a story that has been told many ways (Most Dangerous Game, Running Man). Catching Fire was about how small actions could change the world. And Mockingjay was post-apocalyptic. While they make a certain amount of sense, the audience who loved the 1st two books is not generally the audience that enjoys books about the world ending where everything dies. While Katniss and Peeta do rise from the ashes, much more is left as ash than shown as the new life that begins after a fire cleanses the world.
i thought the whole mocking jay could easilly fit into 1 sentence: alot of people who were just introduced die, presenent snow and coin die, Finnick dies, Prim dies, Gale moves to district 2 and she marries peeta, oh, and katniss is depressed when peeta hates her.
i'm glad we all semi agree .. i still feel like a jerk but oh well.and yeah the last "chapter" felt like a cop-out.
just like Gale making the bomb.. cop-out.
why deal with Katniss actually having to choose someone when her decision could be made for her...
BahhHH! sorry reading this brings up old feelings of hate and of wanting to throw my book across the room.
Cinderela wrote: "i'm glad we all semi agree .. i still feel like a jerk but oh well.and yeah the last "chapter" felt like a cop-out.
just like Gale making the bomb.. cop-out.
why deal with Katniss actually havi..."
I actually loved Gale's character - and it seemed like in the 3rd book I didn't have a reason to like him anymore. He was distant, brooding...and not in a good way. And then the bomb thing. AH! Kind of disappointing.
I think the reason Suzanne Collins killed Prim was to get across that in the end after all is said and done, you can't help but wonder,what was the point? And that was the actual point--war is pointless.But please... Let me be honest, so was most of this book. I couldn't stand Mockingjay. The plot was completely unrealistic, even for fiction.
Going on a secret mission? Really? Katniss was so far gone that it made sense for her to go, but with everyone else--especially when they all knew it would end in failure. In reality, they probably would have said, "Have fun! See ya later! Unlike you, I don't have a death wish!"
Of course this is neglecting the fact that the entire mission was pointless since Coin obviously had other plans to take Snow down. What--you think she had it in for Katniss and that's why she was semi encouraged to go? Then why put her through all those tests and crap to keep her from going?
And then allowing all of the old tributes decide if there would be one last Hunger Games? And Annie... crazy, incoherent most of the time, should have lost her friggin mind over Finnick's death was all of a sudden normal and completely there while voting.
Nothing in this last book made sense.
I realize I'm ranting and will stop now. Sorry.
Heck ya it's depressing! I really liked it, but Katniss is depressed through the whole book, basicly, and if the person telling the story is depressed, it's going to be a depressing book. I suppose that's just how it works. It was still good, though.
I felt I wasted my life away reading that last book:/ booooooo...............but I still love the series!!:D
I felt that at the end of the book, Katniss just "settled" for Peta and didn't really love him at all. Kinda anticlimatic for me.
I am OK if the book did not end all warm and fuzzy, but I felt the circle would have been completed more had Katniss shot Coin and then stood and faced trial and stood up for herself. Her decision could have been to stop being a pawn. Instead she was sort of hidden away without the message getting through.This is one time where I would actually love it if the movie changed endings from the book.
like in my sisters keeper the wrong person dies in the movie, i feel that Finnick should have survived and someone else *like peeta* that would be great
It just seemed so-broken at the end. I would have thought that had Katniss ended up with Peeta, she would have at least kept in touch with Gale. And when Prim died, it was like all if Katniss' struggles were for nothing, because throughout the series, she would always fight for Prim, and then Prim just dies, it was like a slap in the face.I get that Collins wanted to kill some beloved characters, to show that not everyone survives in war, and there will be sacrifices, and consequences, but there were a few un-necessary deaths. Like when they went on that mission, almost the whole team died. They could have at least kept maybe one of the twins, or Finnick, or Boggs.
I didn't like how Gale just left. I thought he was her best friend! I get how he felt guilty about Prim, but to solve that, he just leaves his best friend, who is clearly in pain, and run off to a district that you've been complaining about all your life?
I don't mind if there isn't a fairy tale ending, but it would have been nice to see a little happiness at the end, because to me, Katniss may have loved her kids, and Peeta, but it felt like she was still broken, never to be fixed.
Makayla, Pollux lived. So did Cressida.
depressin!! i didnt like how too many people died like finnick??? the ending was ok but not great
Jo wrote: "Makayla, Pollux lived. So did Cressida."Oh right!!! I completely forgot about them. But still.
I felt like Finnick, Madge and Prim were used as plot devices to be killed. And to be honest, I really didn't care when Prim died, I cared more about Madge and Mags to be honest. I think its because Madge felt like more of a real person than Prim did. Because Prim was a character that was so involved in Mockinjay, SC really needed to work on the dialogue and events with Prim so she could grow on you. Other than that, it was just Katniss rambling on about how much she loves her. Like I've said on a lot of other posts, Prim almost seemed fake.
Plus, back to Finnick's death, it definitely deserved some after thought. Maybe the excuse was that they still had the rebellion and when that ended, Katniss was worrying about Prim? Even still, she could've added a small scene with Annie crying or something, and then she feels some emotion for Finnick and Annie.
But the worst thing that Suzanne Collins did was completely skip the war. I don't recall Katniss doing anything in the actual rebellion besides running around and trying not to die. I expected Prim's death to rev her up and completely make her go murderous and start killing all of the Capitol members (maybe even some Rebels to show how desperately angry she is to get revenge for Prim's death). But no, suddenly she faints and wakes up in hospital, with Coin and her rebels having done all of the work.
The last book definitely wasn't the best of the three.
Many authors have a hard time finishing series. Some of the best, like Stephen King, are pretty bad. They are all about the journey, not the destination. I absolutely liked 1 and 2 better than 3, but it was still a good book. Brutal at times for sure though.
Horcruxiatus wrote: "I felt like Finnick, Madge and Prim were used as plot devices to be killed. And to be honest, I really didn't care when Prim died, I cared more about Madge and Mags to be honest. I think its becaus...":( finnick cried when Mags died ):
^I hate to see my finnick sad =(
Well, Mockingjay was definitely not my favorite of the three. The ending really just ruined it for me Dx The rest of the book was pretty okay, though. Truthfully, i think i just have really high standards for it because of how amazing the first two are.
yeah.
i thoght it was very pointless. the whole book i kept telling myself something intersting will happen if i just go further..
I felt that Finnick and Prim dying was pointless. I was SO dissappointed. I didnt even figure out that Prim was the one who died and the part after that was very confusing. And i was surprise too that she ended up in Peeta but actually i never really focused on her love life it was the rebellion and wondering how Katniss will kill President Snow. In the end it was just really disaappointing so much i was just waiting for something to happen but it didnt.
Nya wrote: "i honetly don't think it was "depressing". just very deep and kind of dark.... then again, my mom calls me an emotionless robot........."Hey, my mom calls that too! But I did find this kind of dark as well as depressing.
No, not pointless but kinda depressing. I think that the fact that Katniss voted for MORE hunger games was just stupid, and the ending made me feel like she only went for Peeta because Gale was gone. And she completely missed the war that most of the series revolved around....But I still loved it!
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