Mockingjay (The Hunger Games, #3) Mockingjay discussion


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The ending... how did it leave you feeling?

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Megan ugg too rushed, she got married, finnick died!!!!!!!


Karen I had convinced myself that the ending of Mockingjay would involve the Nightlock pill where Katniss and Peeta would be made to choose who survived and who didn't(a replica in some ways of the end of the Hunger Games but with no other option but to choose). I truly believed that Katniss would take the pill, thereby succeeding in the plan that she and Haymitch had.


Inati an-gr-y


Anastasia ♥Izzy (aka Iza-chan)♥ wrote: "an-gr-y"


Exactly!


Inati :) I was extremely mad. Like at the end of Gregor.


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Sue Ala'a wrote: "So many people say they hate the ending or it's disappointing to them, but I loved the whole book. What happened to the characters is just so real and it leaves you thinking. Many people complain a..."

You read my mind. I loved this book as well. It was so real & raw to me. I do believe peeta was katniss' soul mate. The loved each other warts & all. Remember when she returns to D12 broken & severely depressed. She won't shower and sleeps her days away. Then Peeta shows up with the primrose bushes to planet for Katniss, as a memorial to Prim. And it clicks with her. He 's only one who actually gives a shit about me. She goes back in the house and takes a shower, changes her clothes. She asks Greasy Sae about Gale to see how her heart reacts. And she realizes he means nothing to her.


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so sad but briliant


Lauren Hawkins Like it was a cliff hanger! They need to make it longer, but I like that I know how it ended:)


Sarah Ala'a wrote: "So many people say they hate the ending or it's disappointing to them, but I loved the whole book. What happened to the characters is just so real and it leaves you thinking. Many people complain a..."

I agree completely. I think people didn't like the book because she didn't end up with Gale or that is wasn't a happy Disneyfied type of ending. It was very much realistic and people have a hard time trying to grasp what war and the aftermath is like. Anyways, I loved the trilogy and this book. The ending was good to end the story. It left me wondering and thinking about it like you said.


message 60: by Harold (last edited Apr 22, 2012 10:29AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Harold Smithson The ending of Mockingjay is the reason that I'm glad I read The Hunger Games series.


Madeline empty... like I had just lost my best friend and couldn't handle it


Christopher When I finished I felt as though Katniss was no longer the hero that she had been in process of becoming. When she opted for the final hunger games she marked herself as being no different from the vengeful rulers of the capitol. This is what leads me to believe that the real heroes were other characters such as Peeta, Finnick, Cinna and the others that were uncompromisingly dedicated toward bringing about the good. These other characters still had their flaws but when push came to shove they stood by their principles and this is what I think defines a true hero.


Megan i felt crappy


Aiana once my tears died I felt a bit lost so I had to re-read it but the ending was definitely a shocker


Elizabeth The ending had me a little underwhelmed. I understand that the way Katniss ended up towards the end was completely realistic. If I had been through even half of what she went through, I could only imagine how I would turn out. However, it doesn't make for a very interesting read. Also, it undermines Katniss's role as the kickass heroine.

There were a lot of loose ends that were never dealt with. Gale just goes to district 2 (Katniss and him never even have a final goodbye), her mother stays in the Capitol, she winds up with Peeta, etc. It felt like simpply getting a recap of the events. It was all way too rushed for me.


Ala'a Sarah wrote: "Ala'a wrote: "So many people say they hate the ending or it's disappointing to them, but I loved the whole book. What happened to the characters is just so real and it leaves you thinking. Many peo..."

I mean what's good in a book if you read it and then it's done and over? If it doesn't leave you with questions, what good is it? Not all things in life are going to be answered. I know there are things we would like answered or maybe just more information, but thinking and reflecting on it keeps it with you longer and makes it more precious. Like Veronica Roth said, "I want to give people space to think and breathe while they read my book...I would much rather you come away with questions than answers." (She's the author of Divergent, which is AMAZING by the way.) Questions make you think and get your own answers and help you develop you're virtues and beliefs.


Beryl S.K. I think it doesn't matter really how things end up being, but how they COME to end up in the way they do.

This is the story of a war and war changes things drastically, both in a society and its people. It's thus pretty understandable why some character would act 'OCC' at the end (like Gale for example). But what really annoyed me for most of the third book, and which I think is really the fatal flaw of Collin's writing, is that she didn't allow Katniss to stand up for herself. During the entire series Katniss is manipulated; she's a pawn, and people use her to represent and start the rebellion because they are too afraid to do it themselves, and because they eventually begin to believe in a savior. And Katniss makes a point herself of how she's just an image. SO what I was expecting was to see her rise up to the occasion. Do something about it. Put some heart into her action. Drop the drugs and cease mopping around. Take her OWN decisions and bring to an end what has made her life a mess till now.

Is it understandable for a 16-17 year old to feel insecure about becoming such a symbol and being the head of a revolution? Yes. But why would we be reading the books if it wasn't to see Katniss affirm herself? Instead she doesn't account to much, and keeps avoiding her responsibilities for far too long.

That's why it doesn't matter to me if she ended up with Peeta, and if Gale went away. Both guys had decent predispositions to go with Katniss at the end. Katniss simply didn't get to choose, and no where in the book is there a clear explanation, a proof of her feelings, given to the readers. If well explained and demonstrated, Katniss could have ended up with Gale just as well as with Peeta. Everything was just bundled up messily for the sake of finishing quickly. It's a shame, really, because so much more could have been done.


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Harold wrote: "The ending of Mockingjay is the reason that I'm glad I read The Hunger Games series."

yayy!


Allie I have two words:
confused and rushed


Marisa Pissed


Allie Marisa wrote: "Pissed"

Yes!!!


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Athena The ending was as expected but not delivered the way I wished/wanted it to be.

Because of the sufferings that Katniss had been through, I was expecting her to be stronger than ever. An inspiration that I could look up to.

Honestly, the hanging tree-from the first time I heard it(audio book)-left me nightmares. It, unknowingly, scared the crap out of me.

The ending also made me yearn for more. It's as if I was expecting "JUST KIDDING" at the end.

This story made me traumatized with bad happenings leaving me to a state swearing not to read any tragic stories anymore(even though this was not a very tragic story since it had a somehow happy ending).


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Ira Gwynneth wrote: "I guess the series could not end any other way. Coin had to die because she was just a female version of Snow. But the ending - even with Peeta - was still very dark. I almost feel let down. Perhap..."

the thing i liked about it most was the fact that it WAS realistic. thank you for pointing that out. i think what most people are most concerned about are the lack of romantic scenes for Peeta and Katniss. but this abrupt realistic ending was smart for Collins. I think she intended the series to end on such an abrupt way so that people would continue to discuss it and form their own theories and their own stories. because the best stories are not fed to you. you give your own interpretation of the story and make the story live on.


Taylor Nya Tomlinson-Horan-Malik-Payne-Styles wrote: "wanting more. it didnt really go into detail about katniss and peeta's lives with their kids. about gale's new job in district 2. and whatever happened to haymitch? did another war begin? questions..."

I feel the same way...


the fire burns inside me Everthing everybody said is true and all I want is a prequel.


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Elli I was just so depressed. I was happy that Katniss and Peeta got kids and all, but it just felt like the real Peeta never really came back. And that Prim had to die, and Finnick... still in shock. And I hated that we never got to know what happened to Gale and that him and Katniss weren't best friends anymore. It's depressing.


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Amy I felt that the most depressing part about the ending was that Peeta and Katniss will forever be affected by all of it: The Hunger Games, the difficult life they had before the revolution, the Capitol's manipulation of them. On a positive note, it's realistic. Collins had never insulted the reader from page 1 of the first book, thinking that he/she couldn't handle certain things or by polishing things up nicely in a way that would not be believable. So I appreciated that things didn't magically work out for everyone, but I still felt depressed about the ending overall.

We started to see Gale change when he began insisting on a revolution before anything had started. And he just continued down that path, so it made sense for him to choose that life over Katniss in the end. Especially because he kept giving indications that he knew she didn't truly love him, so he forced himself to back off throughout the third book. Plus she loved her sister so much and she knew she'd never be able to forgive him for contributing to her death, even if indirectly. I am glad the author didn't make the character of Prim more fleshed out for the reader, otherwise I'd have been beside myself.

It was frustrating how Katniss would be so adament about something (like her mission to kill Snow) and then just turn around and implusively do something completely different. I kept reminding myself that she is a 17 year old girl, and that is how they tend to be. Overall she made good decisions so it wasn't difficult to understand why people wanted to follow her.

I think the ending to the series could have definitely been worse; more disturbing and even more depressing. I'm actually thankful it wasn't.


Anastasia I felt depressed, irritated and annoyed that I'd spent that much time reading them.

I've seen other YA dystopia do the "actually the rebel leader is just as bad as the tyrant you were overthrowing" thing before, but they did it better. They left you with something to hang on to at the end.

The Hunger Games doesn't leave us with anything. Prim's dead, Cinna's Dead, Peeta is all murdery-brainwashed-hateful, Gale developed the weapon that killed Prim, Snow is an evil asshole, Coin is an evil asshole.
Everyone sucks. Everyone who doesn't suck is dead. Katniss has, unsurprisingly, gone crazy.

How fucking depressing is that? It's like building a huge model world and then stamping all over it until every single thing you built is destroyed. Way to go!

I prefer books which have difficult topics, which have characters die, which make me cry. But they need to leave SOMETHING left, some tiny little glimmer of hope, some evidence that everything you watched and loved and saw develop over a trilogy wasn't all completely destroyed.

I thought Patrick Ness did this a thousand times better.


Nicki I find it interesting how some people hated it and some loved it. There aren't too many people in the middle. It seems those who hated it were looking for more of a romance and a happy ending, and those who loved it saw it as realistic and bittersweet.

I happen to find it perfect for the series. She went through hell and back and ended up in hell again. If it were to end happy with butterflies and rainbows and Gale, then I would have thrown the book away. To me, the ending shows that there is pain with war, and that even though terrible, terrible things happened, life goes on. Like the dandelion, you can find beauty and peace and happiness if you try, if you perservere and fight through coping with the hurt.

The romance was not the highlight of the story. If that's all you were looking at was who she ended up with, then you missed a lot. In our civilized and rather "easy" world we live in, where we debate on the books we read and the things we wear (much like the Capitol), we tend to block out all the bad things and not process them.

I think Katniss did her best in the first two books to be strong, but by the third, with Peeta being hijacked, her District gone, having to live underground and under a different type of "evil" power, I think she broke. I can't imagine being twisted and used and manipulated so much and then watch everyone I love die around me. I think of how I might handle that and it makes Katniss look like she did it with a smile on her face.

The fact is that Collins kept the character real and they grew and changed the way that you could expect them to change given the circumstances.


Storm i loved the ending, however i was left feeling devestated, and couldn't read any books for a week


Megan Dorgan Gwynneth wrote: "Were you happy that Gale - Gale??? - just gave up on Katniss and went to some flash job in District Two. It seemed so out of character. And how was Peeta so miraculously healed when they couldn't m..."

I think Gale and Katniss both knew they didn't have a chance after the parachute bombings. He did say that taking care of her family was about all he had going for him and that was shot to hell after what could have been his bombs blew up Prim and set Katniss on fire. That would be a pretty big hurdle in a relationship. I think it would be hard for everyone if Gale went back to 12. Katniss felt relieved when he was gone. Maybe because he wouldn't be around to stir up any more emotions.


Megan Dorgan Heartbroken. It was very sad. I'm glad in a way it wasn't all roses at the end because that isn't always realistic. But, I was disappointed by all of the character's stories being so abruptly ended. It's almost like she just gave up and got tired at the end. Like she needed to meet a deadline and just wrap it up. That was kind of disappointing.


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Gaby At the end of Mockinkjay I had this feeling that even though Katniss and Peeta got together, had kids, the rebellion was over, there were no more hunger games and just for that moment there was a bit of peace, that it was just temporary...this wasn't going to last. Plus the ending really is depressing...so many deaths-who expected Prim to die? Plus Haymith still continues to drink, and still sleeps w/ a knife; Kattniss' mom leaves and plans to never see her daughter again; Gale never sees Katniss; Katniss wakes up screaming from dreams of re hunger games, and Peeta grips a chair remembering fake memories the capitol has instilled in his mind. A really sad yet peacful and at the same time depressing ending. One of the darkest endings compared to the Harry Potter franchise and Twi....Twilight...I really hate to say that name.


angel PrIm did not deserve to die the way she did. Nor did Finnick. Also I HATE HATE HATE HATE Peeta. Why did Katniss end up like that? She bacame a lunatic. BOO.


Hannah I was ticked at Gale for leaving Katniss. Gale you JERK!!!!


Nicki I agree with Angela, especially in her second paragraph about how Katniss processed her grief. Everyone processes it differently. And about Gale, I think you were right about that too. Katniss and Gale were two different people, and from the beginning of the first book, you could see his anger with the Capitol. It is only natural that he would end up with the rebels in fighting it. Everyone sacrafices something at the end of the series, and part of what he sacraficed was his relationship with Katniss.

I don't think Collins needs to clarify anything. Look at all the buzz she created by not doing so. If it wrapped up nicely, there would not be as much discussion. :)


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The ending is perfectly alright, but I sort of felt "Oh. OK." after the ending, if you know what I mean.


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Amy As soon as Prim said she wanted to be a doctor, which made Katniss feel that some good had come out of the rebellion, I figured she was somehow going to die.


Elizabeth Day Well she ended it too quickly she could have made it longer but besides that... I am as Team Peeta as they come so I was very happy about the outcome of the love triangle. I was sad that Gale went to District Two, though. I kind of wished Katniss and Gale could continue their lives together just as friends. And Katniss and Peeta have the saddest love story ever, with Peeta getting his memories messed with and that whole thing... but it is still great, and they are still beautiful together :) It's sad, but it's great. I think that a story isn't over until the main charecter hasn't had to deal with the worst tragedies imagined. The end was okay. Rushed... but okay.


Linda I felt a bit deflated and that the ending was a bit rushed. It was like "oh is that it".


Yasemin I think it was actually a pretty successful ending.

At first when I finished the book I was disappointed because it wasn't a "happy ending". I hoped that Katniss would find inner peace and feel better after living through all that tragedy.

Think of it from Katniss' viewpoint. The ending sounded 'pure Katniss Everdeen' to me. Dissatisfied with the way things resulted in, but faking a smile, trying her best to look in the bright side of things, not having overcome her days of deep pain... It's not that it's bad, it's just Katniss. That would probably be me if I were her too.

Katniss lived through many things, perhaps harder than I can imagine. She had to 'love' someone for the sake of her own life, for a bunch of 'games' that are nothing but cruelty. She had to take responsibility of her family, remain strong and cope with all the sorrow.

She couldn't even succeed in the end, and her wish in the beginning of the series didn't come true. She couldn't protect her sister from the inevitable end. She may have succeeded in saving Panem, rescuing Peeta and gaining independence; but she had to give up on what she wanted best.

I think that was what Suzanne Collins wanted to do. See how the book stuck to me? I think about it, all the time. The Hunger Games series didn't simply end for me. I keep comparing it to my own life, to sort out my priorities. To know what I really want, and act accordingly. To learn that not always do I get things the way I wanted in life, yet to do what it takes to fight for it anyway.


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Tara I thought the ending was a little rushed. It left me wanting more. I totally agree with why she choose specific characters' death and why Katniss chose Peeta over Gale. She said, "..she needed the dandelion in the spring" (Peeta) and that she already had passion fire (like Gale). I found this ending great because it gives us hope. It is a depressing ending, but to be honest...coming back from a war front leaves many wounds. I wish the author would of elaborated on the PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). She brushed over it a bit. PTSD, in studies, actually changes the physiology of the brain! That is incredible and horrible! As much as people wanted a "happy ending"....it is not realistic. My brother came back from Iraq with PTSD and he is still a changed person. I'm glad that Suzanne did not give into the "ideal" ending, but I still think she should have not rushed it. Most of us do not understand the thoughts and actions of Katniss because we simply do not understand PTSD. It is hard to understand it without the experience or watching someone go through it.


message 94: by Elizabeth (last edited Sep 01, 2012 06:22PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Elizabeth Day Yeah, it was realistic. And sometimes books are too fictious. The boy is way sweeter than boys are in real life, I think, a lot of the time. But (even if the boys were waay sweeter than real boys are but we still enjoyed it because we wish boys were that way) realistic is always a good thing when it comes to books. Books oftentimes are not realistic enough. And I know we all wish for unrealistically unhappy endings, but she made it realistic, and realistic is great.


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