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message 1301: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
Well, I will rethink Invisible Man

I’ve read MLKing’s “Stride toward Freedom” which I really appreciated.

I was born at Montgomery Alabama in 1949. I am Caucasian. (Aside: Actually, my roots are really and truly Caucasian my MTDNA Haplogroup is H1u1. I read the Seven Daughters of Eve and could not wait until I could get tested.)

Back to the topic at hand, the events described in “Stride toward Freedom” is the history of my youth too, and a complex history it is. I thought MLK was very generous in his comments of whites in Montgomery. In general racism is very complex even when slavery is not in the historical mix.

I have been working on genealogy in my retirement. All the lines of my family have been in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi since the early 1800’s. There are some slave owning ancestors but no large estates with large numbers of slaves. I try to work out what the relationships must have been like but it is all speculation.

I have no African Autosomal DNA, but I have found mixed race 3rd and 4th cousins. I do think the real stories are complex. Well enough of that.

At any rate I appreciate your book thoughts and recommendations.


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I am currently reading Villette by Charlotte Bronte and I just love it.


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I'd love to read Emma by Jane Austen - do any of you recommend it?


message 1304: by Tina (last edited Feb 23, 2021 05:54PM) (new)

Tina D | 54 comments L_Gail wrote: "Tina wrote: "I've been reviewing books for my school library lately, and just finished "Inkheart" by Cornelia Funke. I thought I would enjoy it more than I did. One of my all-time favorite books is..."

"The Great Good Thing" is such a great read! It tells the story of a character within the story - such a fun perspective!
What happens when a character doesn't want to follow the script? What happens to the characters when no one reads a book anymore? I often read this story aloud to my older elementary students, and wait with anticipation for the moment they realize who the narrator is.


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Maybe I will try it, Tina!


message 1306: by Lorri (new)

Lorri L_Gail wrote: "Well, I will rethink Invisible Man

I’ve read MLKing’s “Stride toward Freedom” which I really appreciated.

I was born at Montgomery Alabama in 1949. I am Caucasian. (Aside: Actually, my roots are ..."

Hello from Minnesota. I am eleven years younger than you and also interested in genealogy. My Mom's side came to Minnesota from Sweden in the 1880-90s. My Dad's side came to America from England and one branch can be traced to the Mayflower. I was taught that we are all humans and the only us/them binary was Christian/Nonchristian but now I reject all binaries.

Since February is Black History Month, I made that my reading theme-of-the-month. After finishing Dear Martin, I read Their Eyes Were Watching God and The Secret Life of Bees. Both are excellent and along with Passing they expose the illusion of racial difference and underscore the importance of individuality.

Today I am starting A Good Time for the Truth: Race in Minnesota and will finish this month and begin Middle School March with Forge and Ashes.


message 1307: by GW (new)

GW | 1 comments I'm new to this thread and I've found it enjoyable to look back over the posts to see what people have said about the books they've read. Right now I'm reading "The Power and the Glory" by Graham Green. I've also made a few lists on different list sites of some of the classic novels I've read, 304 to date. It's interesting that I have only 47 five star reads on Goodreads, but many fours. Happy reading everyone.


message 1308: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
“The Power and the Glory” by Green is a very interesting book. I’ve read a number of Graham Green books and I think this one is the best.


message 1309: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
I just started “Crawford” by Elizabeth Gaskell. The only other book I’ve read by her was “North and South” which I enjoyed very much.


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I recently finished North and South. It was rather like P&P.

I'm currently reading Gone With The Wind, Mitchell's huge historical fiction. Never expected to see something so blatantly racist and false.


message 1311: by Lorri (new)

Lorri L_Gail wrote: "I just started “Crawford” by Elizabeth Gaskell. The only other book I’ve read by her was “North and South” which I enjoyed very much."

I love Gaskell's North and South and Wives and Daughters. I am reading the gothic this year and plan to read her Gothic Tales (9 tales). (I am preparing to reread Northanger Abbey.) Next year, I plan to read Gaskell's three titles used in making the Cranford series: Cranford, My Lady Ludlow, and Mr. Harrison’s Confessions.

Happy reading!


message 1312: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
Thanks for mentioning the three set about CrAnford. I was not aware there was more than one book.


message 1313: by Jerilyn (new)

Jerilyn | 50 comments I just finished When You Trap A Tiger, by Tae Keller. It won a 2021 Newbery Award. Now I am reading The Tuscan Child, by Rhys Bowen, and The Silk Road: A New History of the World, by Peter Frankopan. Also, with my grandson, I have been reading a Magic Treehouse book, Leprechaun in Late Winter, by Mary Pope Osborne, and The Magician’s Nephew, by C.S. Lewis.


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Leona (mnleona) | 6 comments Lorri wrote: "L_Gail wrote: "Well, I will rethink Invisible Man

I’ve read MLKing’s “Stride toward Freedom” which I really appreciated.

I was born at Montgomery Alabama in 1949. I am Caucasian. (Aside: Actually..."


Lorri wrote: "L_Gail wrote: "Well, I will rethink Invisible Man

I’ve read MLKing’s “Stride toward Freedom” which I really appreciated.

I was born at Montgomery Alabama in 1949. I am Caucasian. (Aside: Actually..."


L_Gail wrote: "Well, I will rethink Invisible Man

I’ve read MLKing’s “Stride toward Freedom” which I really appreciated.

I was born at Montgomery Alabama in 1949. I am Caucasian. (Aside: Actually, my roots are ..."


Lorri wrote: "L_Gail wrote: "Well, I will rethink Invisible Man

I’ve read MLKing’s “Stride toward Freedom” which I really appreciated.

I was born at Montgomery Alabama in 1949. I am Caucasian. (Aside: Actually..."


My husband's father was Swedish and his mother Norwegian and in Minnesota. I am doing their genealogy.


message 1315: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
I am also doing genealogy and really enjoying it. Did you attend the virtual Rootstech Connect? last week


message 1316: by [deleted user] (new)

I am reading 'Villette' and 'David Copperfield'. I actually have a group on Goodreads called Classics. Here is a link to it:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/...


message 1317: by Linda (new)

Linda (lndoyle) | 5 comments I just finished The House in the Cerulean Sea, a fantasy, and it was wonderful. The perfect mental getaway.


message 1318: by [deleted user] (new)

Please give my group a go!


message 1319: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
Hi Florence,

I have looked at your classics group and thought it complimented this group. I hesitated to join your classics group because it is so easy to over commit to online groups. I am not sure I have time for both.

That said, here are some of my thoughts. Keep in mind that I am old, an old fuddy duddy.

1 I started using the internet before there was a World Wide Web much less web browsers and many other things.

2 I ran discussion groups starting before there was a World Wide Web and many other things taken for granted today.

3 my experience is that there is an unspoken rule. The rule is that a leader of one group does advertise their group on another’s group without asking permission to do so. You did not say you had permission so I assume not.

4 my initial silence was a stunned silence.

5 does anyone follow these rules anymore- internet etiquette?? I don’t know.

At any rate, you have a nice group. Enjoy.

Regards
Linda


message 1320: by Lorri (last edited May 08, 2021 03:31PM) (new)

Lorri Classics (50 years and older) I’ve read this year, so far:

January (Pre-Victorian and Georgianuary 1714-1837)
- Hamlet 1600 Shakespeare
- The Vicar of Wakefield 1766 Oliver Goldsmith (Irish)
- She Stoops to Conquer; Or, The Mistakes of a Night: A Comedy 1773 Goldsmith play
- The Vampyre; A Tale 1819 Polidori
- Mysteries of Udolpho 1794 Ann Radcliffe
- “The Battle of the Books” 1704 Jonathan Swift
- “An Argument Over the Abolishing of Christianity” 1708 Swift
- A Vindication of the Rights of Woman 1792 Mary Wollstonecraft

February (Black American)
- Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl 1861 Harriet Ann Jacobs
- Passing 1929 Nella Larsen (Harlem Renaissance)
- Their Eyes Were Watching God 1937 Zora Neale Hurston (Harlem Renaissance author)

March (Middle School)
- From the Mixed-Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler 1967 (9-12) E. L. Konigsburg
- Heidi 1881 (10+) Johanna Spyri (Swiss)
- The Red Badge of Courage 1895 (11+) Stephen Crane
- The Witch of Blackbird Pond 1958 (10+) Elizabeth George Speare
- The Crucible 1953 4-act play by Arthur Miller
- Gothic Tales: Disappearances, The Old Nurses Story, The Squire’s Story, The Poor Clare, The Doom of the Griffiths, Lois the Witch, The Crooked Branch, Curious if True, and The Grey Woman 1851-1861 Elizabeth Cleghorn Gaskell
- Agnes Grey 1847 Anne Brontë

April (Gothic)
- The Castle of Otranto 1764 1st Gothic Horace Walpole (British)
- Castle of Wolfenbach 1793 Eliza Parsons (British)
- The Necromancer; or, the Tale of the Black Forest 1794 folktales by Ludwig Flammenberg aka. Carl Friedrich Kahlert (Polish) translated from German and novelized by Peter Teuthold
- “The Fall of the House of Usher” 1839 and “The Gold-Bug” 1843 Edgar Allan Poe
- C. Auguste Dupin Collection (Ill.): Murders in the Rue Morgue 1841, Mystery of Marie Rogét 1842, Purloined Letter 1844 Edgar Allan Poe (American)
- The Midnight Bell 1798 one of the greatest of all gothics Francis Lathom (Dutch)
- Washington Square 1880 Henry James

May (1900-1950)
- The Phantom of the Opera 1909 Gaston Leroux (French)
- “Metamorphosis” 1915 Franz Kafka (Bohemian)
- O Pioneers! 1913 Willa Sibert Cather (American)
- Some Imagist Poets: An Anthology 1915 Richard Aldington, H.D., John Gould Fletcher, F.S. Flint, D.H. Lawrence, Amy Lowell (British and American)

and still reading!


message 1321: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
That is quite a list Lorri !!

I like that you read "Heidi". I will add that to me quick reads list.

One we have in common for this year (other that this ones read in this group) is
The Castle of Otranto 1764 1st Gothic Horace Walpole (British)

One I read a year or two ago and particularly liked was
The Vicar of Wakefield 1766 Oliver Goldsmith (Irish)

Has any one of these been a particular favorite?


message 1322: by Lorri (new)

Lorri L_Gail wrote: "That is quite a list Lorri !!

I like that you read "Heidi". I will add that to me quick reads list.

One we have in common for this year (other that this ones read in this group) is
The Castle of..."


I recommend this illustrated version of Heidi https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/20781 because the translation is very good.

I really liked The Vicar of Wakefield, too, and see how it influenced Jane Austen.

Particular favorites:
-A Vindication of the Rights of Woman 1792 Mary Wollstonecraft
surprised me. It isn't shrill and she outreasons some of the best philosophers of her time. Also, most of her arguments still hold up.
-Passing It is a very short masterpiece about race, culture, community, and family. I would love to teach this book!
-The Red Badge of Courage not only holds up but remains a wonderful exploration of courage, masculinity, and war.
-The Crucible is a timely reminder of the dangers of witch-hunting and mass hysteria.
- Agnes Grey 1847 Anne Brontë surprised me by not being Gothic, and I loved and identified with the heroine.
-C. Auguste Dupin Collection (Illustrated) Edgar Allan Poe. These are the first detective stories. They predate Sherlock by more than 40 years and act as a template for Doyle and other crime writers.

And I am still working out my thoughts and responses to Washington Square.


message 1323: by Lorri (new)

Lorri Titles I read in May for a 1900-1950 Readathon:

- The Phantom of the Opera 1909 Gaston Leroux (French)
- “Metamorphosis” 1915 Franz Kafka (Bohemian)
- O Pioneers! 1913 Willa Sibert Cather (American)
- Some Imagist Poets: An Anthology 1915 Richard Aldington, H.D., John Gould Fletcher, F.S. Flint, D.H. Lawrence, Amy Lowell (British and American)
- To the Last Salute: Memories of an Austrian U-Boat Commander 1935 Georg Von Trapp (Austrian) translated by Elizabeth M Campbell 2007
- Siddhartha 1922 Hermann Hesse (Swiss)
- A Room of One’s Own 1929 Virginia Woolf (British)
- Vera 1921 Elizabeth von Arnim (Australian British)
- And then There Were None 1939 Agatha Christie (British)
- The Pearl 1947 John Steinbeck (American)
- The House of Mirth 1905 Edith Wharton (American)
- The Grand Sophy 1950 Georgette Heyer (British)
- “The Machine Stops” 1909 E M Forster (British)
- “The Snows of Kilimanjaro” 1936 Ernest Hemingway (American)


message 1324: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
A nice selection in your challenge reads Lori.

I am reading “the Little House at Arlington” by Anthony Trollope. It is another story about a “bounder” who can’t make up his mind which woman to exploit by marrying her.

I am enjoying the novel, but Anthony Trollope almost never fails to engage me with his insights, quiet humor, and general ability to tell a story well.


message 1325: by Lorri (last edited Jun 05, 2021 06:45PM) (new)

Lorri L_Gail wrote: "A nice selection in your challenge reads Lori.

I am reading “the Little House at Arlington” by Anthony Trollope. It is another story about a “bounder” who can’t make up his mind which woman to ex..."


Virginia Wolff's essay on women and fiction was a 5-star read even though it is written in a Modernist style.

I am interested in reading Trollope and plan to start his Barsetshire series late this fall or next year. My Victorian TBR is huge!


message 1326: by Lorri (new)

Lorri Classics I read in June:

- A Doll’s House 1879 Henrik Ibsen (Norwegian)
- Wake Not the Dead 1823 Ludwig Tieck (German)
- Clermont, A Tale Regina Maria Roche (Irish)
- Orphan of the Rhine Eleanor Sleath (British)
- The Canterville Ghost 1887 Oscar Wilde (British)
- Horrid Mysteries of the Marquis de Grosse 1796 Carl Grosse translated by Peter Will (German)


message 1327: by Brian, co-moderator (new)

Brian (myersb68) | 325 comments Mod
Lorri wrote: "Classics I read in June:

- A Doll’s House 1879 Henrik Ibsen (Norwegian)
- Wake Not the Dead 1823 Ludwig Tieck (German)
- Clermont, A Tale Regina Maria Roche (Irish)
- Orphan of the Rhine Eleanor S..."


Heck of a list, Lorri!


message 1328: by Jerilyn (new)

Jerilyn | 50 comments I am rereading Pere Goriot, by Honore de Balzac. I really enjoy this writing style and the reflections on morality in a materialistic world.


message 1329: by Lorri (new)

Lorri Titles I read in July, most of the essays "count" as classics, too.

July: Jane Austen July or Jane Goes Gothic!
- The Mysterious Warning, A German Tale 1796 Eliza Parsons
- The Italian: or the Confessional of the Black Penitents 1797 Ann Radcliffe the ninth and final book I read this year from The Complete Northanger Horrid Novel Collection (9 Books of Gothic Romance and Horror)
- Northanger Abbey 1817 Jane Austen
- A Memoir of Jane Austen by James Edward Austen-Leigh 1871
- From Delphi Complete Works of Jane Austen (Ill): “Three Essays on Jane Austen” by Virginia Woolf and “To Jane Austen” by Andrew Lang
- The Female Quixote; or, The Adventures of Arabella 1752 by Charlotte Lennox (Scottish).
- The Monk: A Romance by M.G. Lewis (British) 1796
- From A Truth Universally Acknowledged: 33 Great Writers on Why We Read Jane Austen 2009 edited by Susannah Carson: Forward by Harold Bloom, Introduction Susannah Carson, “Why We Read Jane Austen” Susanna Clarke, “The Radiance of Jane Austen” Eudora Welty, “Six Reasons to Read Jane Austen” Rebecca Mead, “Jane Austen: The Six Novels” EM Forster, “A Life Among the Manuscripts” Brian Southam, “Reading Northanger Abbey” Susannah Carson


message 1330: by Elizabeth (last edited Aug 05, 2021 07:18PM) (new)

Elizabeth Dunn | 1 comments I just read Passing and loved it. It explores the tension between advancing oneself and advancing the group ( “lifting the race” as it was known then, in the 1920s). It also illustrates the precariousness of women’s place in society. Both concerns seem equally present today. Very well written.


message 1331: by Lorri (new)

Lorri Elizabeth wrote: "I just read Passing and loved it. It explores the tension between advancing oneself and advancing the group ( “lifting the race” as it was known then, in the 1920s). It also illustrates the precari..."

I loved Passing and plan to read Nella Larsen's 4 other stories.


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Brandon Fenwick | 56 comments I’m currently reading through the Chronicles of Prydain series by Lloyd Alexander. Disney made an animated adaptation called the Black Cauldron (very loosely based on the first and second books in the series) in the 1980s that almost ruined the company. It’s a classic of children’s literature. Completely underrated today in my opinion. I’ve read through the first two books and am flying through the third one. They are great fun.


message 1333: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
A READING ASSIGNMENT - AND BOOK REPORT

well since we are in LIMBO - here is the assignment -

CLASSIC - Short Story - out there in many editions

Read - To Build a Fire by Jack London

The assignment - Read this story when night temperatures drop below 30 degrees Fahrenheit or minus 1 degrees C where you live. If you live south of the equator, or somewhere it never freezes, then just read it ! and report back after Dec 1.

You have 4 weeks to write a half page book report. Don't worry about spoilers. There is only two outcomes, fire lit or fire not lit.


message 1334: by Lorri (last edited Sep 01, 2021 05:57PM) (new)

Lorri Current and upcoming classics reads:

Shaketember (YouTube): reading 4 Shakspearian plays with Zoom discussions every Saturday:
- Othello ~ September 4
- The Tempest ~ September 11
- Henry IV, part 1 ~ September 18
- The Winter's Tale ~ September 25

The Bronte Project (Goodreads): Reading all major Bronte works this year.
- Jane Eyre ~ September
- Wuthering Heights ~ October

Victober (Goodreads and YouTube): Read Victorian Literature from English, Irish, Welch, and Scottish authors published from 1837-1901
- All of October


message 1335: by Lorri (new)

Lorri In August I read romance novels including E.M. Forster's A Room with a View. Forster critiques English social customs, class, religion, family, and "the marriage game."

My September classics TBR includes the four William Shakespeare plays mentioned above and John Steinbeck's East of Eden.


message 1336: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
`A Room with a View is one of my favorites.

I was thinking previously that East of Eden might be a good group read.


message 1337: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
The YouTube Shaketember sounds great.

I took a FutureLearn course a number of years ago, something like, Shakespeare and his world was the Title.

We read several plays and Othello and The Tempest were two of the ones we covered. I liked both of the plays. Othello is such a psychological thriller.


message 1338: by Linda_G (new)

Linda_G (yhgail) | 223 comments Mod
As for Viktober, it will be interesting to see what you pick.

One of my all time favorites from the era is "Lorna Doone". The romance seemed silly to me but the picture of rural country life was wonderful.

I particularly enjoyed the descriptions of the harvest and the culture of the harvest. There are songs of the harvest that are lovely. The whole social life described in the book is a treasure I think.

I never suggested it for a group read ( I don't think ) because i don't think it will appeal to everyone.


message 1339: by Brandon (new)

Brandon Fenwick | 56 comments I will confirm East of Eden is fantastic. I read it earlier in the summer. The characters are unforgettable.


message 1340: by Lorri (new)

Lorri East of Eden was one of my core book choices for this year and I am excited to start it. Of the Shakespeare plays, the only reread for me will be Henry the IV, part I.

The prompts for Victober Victorian Literature (UK 1837-1901):
#1 read a sensation novel
#2 read a text set in the city, countryside, or both
#3 read a text with a female protagonist
#4 read a novel popular during the Victorian Age or now
#5 Bonus: listen to an audio recording of a text or read a portion of a text aloud since Victorians often read texts aloud to each other
#6 Month-long Readalong: Gothic Tales by Mrs. Gaskell


message 1341: by Sheryl (last edited Sep 02, 2021 02:05PM) (new)

Sheryl | 99 comments Lorri wrote:
#1 read a sensation novel

Unless you count Robert Louis Stephenson (some do, some don't), Wilkie Collins remains my favorite sensation author, although all I've read by him is The Woman in White and The Moonstone.

"#3 read a text with a female protagonist"

Strongly recommend Elizabeth Barrett Browning's Aurora Leigh for that. Finally got around to reading it this year and thought it terrific.


message 1342: by Lorri (new)

Lorri Follow-up:

I read and gave 5 stars to all 4 Shaketember plays:
- Othello, The Tempest, Henry IV, Part 1, and The Winter’s Tale by William Shakespeare

I was disappointed with EM Forster's A Room with a View, perhaps my expectations were too high.

I am conflicted by John Steinbeck's East of Eden and will save comments for our group discussion


message 1343: by Lorri (new)

Lorri My Victober TBR:

- The Woman in White Wilkie Collins 1859 sensation, city, popular, gothic, epistolary
- Tess of the d’Urbervilles Thomas Hardy 1891 rural, a heroine with a male author, popular, the audio version fulfills the bonus prompt of listening to literature
- Sylvia’s Lovers Elizabeth Gaskell 1863 sensation, a heroine with a female author, gothic
- Both Sides the Border: A Tale of Hotspur and Glendower G A Henty 1898 popular
- Intentions: The Decay of Lying; Pen, Pencil, and Poison; The Critic as Artist; and The Truth of Masks Oscar Wilde 1891 essays, nonfiction
- Gothic Tales: Disappearances, The Old Nurses Story, The Squire’s Story, The Poor Clare, The Doom of the Griffiths, Lois the Witch, The Crooked Branch, Curious if True, and The Grey Woman Mrs. Gaskell 1851-61 group read-along


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