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Am I the only person who found almost all the characters unlikable by the end of the book?
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I enjoyed the final mission of the book, but otherwise I just...did not enjoy this book at all. It's my least favorite book in the series and a terrible ending. I felt that Katniss was relegated to damsel in emotional distress status for most of the book and she became this incredibly unappealing character.

What would you do if everyone you cared about was killed? What would you do if the only person you truly loved, that you were willing to die for, and almost did dozens of times, died instead? What would you do if you were brutally tortured and couldn't trust the one you loved and would die for? What would you do if for 25 years you saw child after child be forced to fight to their death and couldn't do anything to stop it? It would make anyone go insane and withdraw from the world.
I also disagree about there being no hope at the end of the series. Katniss managed to find love in Peeta, and had kids with him. This means that she's not entirely disfunctional, and neither is he. It shows that they both started to heal. (Sorry for getting mildly cliched here) The wounds may never go away, and I wouldn't expect them to, after everything that happened to Katniss and Peeta, but they're fading.
Personally, I always admired Katniss. She has a mom who dissolved in grief after her husband died, and a sister who seems pretty darn fragile to me. Katniss had to take over, and she shielded herself from the world so that it wouldn't hurt her anymore. She did what she had to to survive, and what she had to to ensure the survival of her family. Peeta's in a pretty similar boat, too, because all he was trying to do was protect Katniss.
I don't dislike Gale, but I don't like him, either. I just think Katniss changed too much, and Gale changed too. I like Haymitch, because I understand where his pain comes from. He just tried to do his best, and then couldn't take it anymore.
I didn't like Snow. He's a jerk. Most of the Careers I didn't like because they're arrogant and murder for fun (it seems). I also didn't like Coin, because she sent Prim out as a medic, and then sent the bombs too. She basically murdered Prim.



While I thought it was a very realistic portrayal, there was almost nothing left of what endeared me to the characters.

Jason wrote: "The Hunger Games Trilogy was a great series and all but by then end of Mockingjay I couldn't bring myself to appreciate the characters any longer. Katniss was a recovering drug addict who'd lost al..."
you're not the only one. Mockingjay was utterly stupid, annoying, and sad.
you're not the only one. Mockingjay was utterly stupid, annoying, and sad.




gale or peeta


I completely agree. You put my thoughts and frustrations into words.

gale or peeta"
gale, finnick was a good character. i think they should have left him live.


I completely agree. I know it's not necessarily a "happily ever after kind of book" as someone mentioned but at least END it with a cause. I mean, the way it all ended almost made the reason for the war pointless and, therefore, the entire premise pointless. There wasn't enough of a satisfactory resolution. They started a revolution to end the sadness and travesty but it didn't end well for them so what was the point? This should have just been Hunger Games and not a trilogy.

I GUESS so but even I could come up with a better resolution to the trilogy than Collins did. Everyone was rooting for the game contestants from the very beginning and it was so great how many of them persevered just so she could kill everyone off in the end? What's the point? She sucks.

Ann wrote: "I think the problem was that the last book simply wasn't nearly as well written as the first two. That happens when you've signed a lucrative three-book deal and then have to deliver three books on..."
I have to disagree. I'll admit that the book wasn't as well written as the first two, but I think she intentionally made the characters like that. Katniss watching Rue, a girl she associate's with Prim, die right in front of her; Peeta accidentally killing fox-face, even Peeta's leg getting infected, it was all to prepare as much as possible for the pending war. But you can't be ready for something like that. Knowing that one microscopic mistake could destroy everything and everyone you care about... Then, it actually happening. It happens all the time to veterans, ask any of them the person they're closest to is and they'll almost always say the people they served with... Then ask their families if they've changed since they got back and they'll almost always say: more than you can possibly imagine.
Torie wrote: "Collins may have been trying to aim for realism as you all are saying, but that didn't mean she had to take away every endearing characteristic in the characters we once knew and loved. I don't thi..."
The thing that I love about Collins is I don't think she really cared whether or not people liked Katniss. She knew who Katniss was and she didn't try to change her because some of the fans didn't like the new Katniss. I'm positive she knew a lot of her fans wouldn't approve of the new Katniss, between the editing and publishing process a lot of people read the book well before it was to late to change it, but she didn't, because (in my opinion) she was staying true to her character, something I wish more authors did.
I have to disagree. I'll admit that the book wasn't as well written as the first two, but I think she intentionally made the characters like that. Katniss watching Rue, a girl she associate's with Prim, die right in front of her; Peeta accidentally killing fox-face, even Peeta's leg getting infected, it was all to prepare as much as possible for the pending war. But you can't be ready for something like that. Knowing that one microscopic mistake could destroy everything and everyone you care about... Then, it actually happening. It happens all the time to veterans, ask any of them the person they're closest to is and they'll almost always say the people they served with... Then ask their families if they've changed since they got back and they'll almost always say: more than you can possibly imagine.
Torie wrote: "Collins may have been trying to aim for realism as you all are saying, but that didn't mean she had to take away every endearing characteristic in the characters we once knew and loved. I don't thi..."
The thing that I love about Collins is I don't think she really cared whether or not people liked Katniss. She knew who Katniss was and she didn't try to change her because some of the fans didn't like the new Katniss. I'm positive she knew a lot of her fans wouldn't approve of the new Katniss, between the editing and publishing process a lot of people read the book well before it was to late to change it, but she didn't, because (in my opinion) she was staying true to her character, something I wish more authors did.


I appreciate this series for what it is.





FINNICK DIDNT BLOW UP< PRIM DID!!!

I know what she went through was awful and anyone would change from that, but you're right, she became very selfish.

My sentiments exactly. I applaud the balls she had to end it like that and I certainly don't disagree with the realism. But my problem lies, exactly as you said, in the bad taste it all left in my mouth.
Maybe it's a piece of fiction that she wanted to be taken seriously, but it's also meant as entertainment and the entire thing actually hurt me to read it.
All the characters were cut down to size, lost some good qualities and expanded some bad ones. Any characters that weren't changed were just killed. By the end of the story the only person I found myself liking was the cat.

The only characters I liked for the most part are Effie, Johanna, Finnick, and occasionally Haymitch.

Also, I felt like Katniss was a bit of a Mary Sue. She was way too special, so many exceptions were made for her, she got special treatment, even in the first book. Plus, I was sick to freaking death of all that "The girl who was on fire" stuff half way through the second book. If Collins didn't beat us over the head with it it would have been cool, but she couldn't stop.


Her writing was pretty bad. Seriously, when I despise all the characters I'm supposed to like, think your love interests are creepy, and the research is absolutely abysmal, I'm going to have to say the writing is bad.



I agree. I loved the books but i hated the end. I felt that the story was so long and drawn out in some places and then the last two chapters were just a lot all crammed together and fast. I think she could've easily added another book and told us about her life after.

I'm not meant to hate them though. I'm meant to agree with them. I'm meant to view Katniss something special and important, and Snow as evil (tyrant yes, evil, not really). I'm meant to feel for the people who died and be horrified by the Hunger Games, but I'm not because Katniss feels absolutely nothing for them. How am I supposed to be sad about Glimmer's death when Katniss' only characterization of her was slutty and well trained. Collins writing wasn't good enough for me to agree with these things. Her characterization was bad, her world building was bad, and the continuity was pretty bad too. That means the writing is bad.
Not to mention, she does a ton of telling instead of showing. Like when she calls the Careers bad in the first book. How are they evil? I think they're pretty good people. They volunteer so that other kids from their districts don't have to suffer in the Hunger Games. Their districts are actually smart enough to train children so they'll be prepared in the Hunger Games. How is that evil? I consider that responsible.
Katniss' starvation in the first book too, and the over all condition of district 12 was mostly told instead of shown. Katniss mentioned having breast before going into the Hunger Games, but that usually requires that you have a decent amount of food to trigger puberty. Katniss has a goat, which produces all sorts of goodies you can eat and drink. Katniss hunts, she lives in the Appalachian mountains which is covered in all sorts of edible plants. She guts her kills and never ever saves any of the organs, which are very nutritious. She mentions that district 12 is starving, but the people don't act like it. Peeta's family has a pig, which is expensive and eats a ton, and people haven't stolen it yet. There is almost no hunting, despite the fact that most people would have broken the law ages ago if it meant feeding their families. People who are starving do very desperate things, just look at the citizens of Leningrad during WWII. Katniss mentions a hill covered in dandelions; if the district was really starving that hill should have been picked clean, because it's fairly common knowledge that dandelions are edible and even good for you.

WOW. That's deep acts harsh. Survival is two fold. There are those that choose it with fighting and taking and those who choose to coexist. The people here have been taught that those that were before you failed because they refused to follow obey and they took from others. They were taught that if you listen and obey do what you are told that you will be allowed to exist. They did not know of any other way. And that's all because of power and greed.
But most importantly, books allow us to have many direct view points

Sorry, I don't mean to be that harsh. I think I might be taking my frustration with my classes out on these book.
Anyway, from what I recall, there wasn't much in the way of propaganda from the government to strongly re-enforce what you said, minus the hunger games themselves. And no one actually seemed to like or believe the Capitol. For example, in DPRK people are bombarded with propaganda that glorifies (even deifies) Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il, schools teach that these two people are gods among men, and there is art everywhere reminding the people of the DPRK that these two are their saviors. The propaganda is amazingly effective in a lot of cases, despite just how miserably the people are treated. But that doesn't seem to be the case with the Capitol.
The Capitol was weird in this book. They keep on punishing the people for the rebellion all those years ago, making the ones who had nothing to do with it suffer for it. They intentionally starve out many of districts, keep the people in virtual slavery, and have very strict laws (which the peacekeepers in District 12 seem to be fine with letting people break). They never say they're protecting them from some outside threat, or helping them survive in these terrible times. They really aren't giving the majority of the people a good reason not to rebel, because it's not like their lives could get all that worse.
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