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The Most Unnecessary Death
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Finnick was completely unnecessary. I was so shocked as the guy grew on me to see him just fall back and the Mutts took him quick. Katniss didn't even have a chance to mourn, she just kept going. I had to set down the book to mourn him myself.
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Finnick and Prim. Seriously, I think the only reason Prim died was so Katniss would hate Gale and choose Peeta which was like such a cheap cop out.
Finnick and Cinna.
Elizabeth wrote: "I had no problem with any of the characters actually dying. There was a huge, bloody war going on..you knew many lives were going to be lost. I just HATED the way she handled Finnick's death. It bo..."I keep hearing that these deaths were rushed - I'm just curious to know how she was supposed to slow them down? When there's a serious war raging? How do you stop and mourn somebody in the middle of that? We don't know what happened after the war, how Annie and Katniss mourned or if there was a service.
ke-sha wrote: "Finnick & Cinna. Mostly Finnick I was like seriously you could have least gave him a better death.Madge didn't really need to die it was totally unnecessary.
Also I kind of felt that she didn't..."
We learned early on that President Snow eliminates loved ones. What reason would there have been to leave Peeta's dad alive when the rest of his family was murdered because the Capitol considered him a traitor?
Finnick. I can understand that it's war, and that means there have to be victims, but really, now that he finally could be together with his Annie, who was expecting a child... Ugh, I can't stand it. After all what they went through.... They deserved to be happy together....In my headcanon he will always live 3
I agree with anyone that said Finnick. I know I personally cried when Finnick died just out of pure rage that he finally got Annie back and now she's left without him again. Not to mention making Annie and Finnick have a baby at the end. Annie had a hard time even functioning without Finnick how was she suppose to raise their child by herself?Long rant short. He didn't deserve to die.
why prim. and finnick didnt need 2 die
Finnick!! He was my favorite character. I was so mad when he died!
Lea wrote: "Elizabeth wrote: "I had no problem with any of the characters actually dying. There was a huge, bloody war going on..you knew many lives were going to be lost. I just HATED the way she handled Finn..."Sure the way that Finnick died and when he died, there was no other way to have it but rushed. I get that Katniss couldn't sit down and reflect on Finnick's death. That's just why I wish if Finnick did have to die, it should have been some different way. Not simply eaten by mutts and completely forgotton about. However, I'm probably just being biased cause Finnick was my fave character besides Peeta.
I was fine with the sudden deaths of characters. I've said it in another post but wars are messy and good people die for no reason. And usually it's not in some glamourous last stand. I felt that Collins' choices were realistic and I agreed with them.
Just to reiterate: Finnick! It almost made his character worthless - for a long time you think oh, this is perfect that Katniss has someone she can actually relate to, and then BAM! Finnick dies. And since she lost Gale to another district, Prim to a bomb, and her mother to a hospital... all she gets is Greasy Sae, Peeta, and Haymitch? Don't get me wrong, I was rooting for Peeta, but she couldn't at least keep her sister and her new bestie? I understand ditching Gale - while executed in a weirdly distant way, she couldn't keep both boys around and only be with one.And Prim's death was pretty pointless, too. Neither added anything to the story at all. I understand a lot of the deaths - having all 11 survive would've been totally unbelievable - but those two...
And the fact Gale DIDN'T die was just odd. I felt like Collins totally brushed him off. Like, okay, he got captured, and shot twice, but he's alright, even though you'll never see him ever again.
But despite that, I still loved it :)
Charlotte :) wrote: "Finnick and Prim!"YES! I AGREE. I feel so bad for annie and katniss!
Thatismahogany! wrote: "Charlotte :) wrote: "Finnick and Prim!"
YES! I AGREE. I feel so bad for annie and katniss!"
Katniss doesnt die!!!!
YES! I AGREE. I feel so bad for annie and katniss!"
Katniss doesnt die!!!!
Obviously, im not blind. But i feel so bad for her cuz she loses her sister haha. and i feel bad for annie cuz she loses her new husband. haha
also i realized, the death of marge, the mayors daughter, she did not deserve to die
I don't think any of the deaths were unnecessary. I mean, if you mean unnecessary as in the character deserved to live, then all the deaths were unnecessary. Everyone 'deserved to live'. Finnick's death didn't exactly contribute to the plot, but it was war, and people in war die quickly, instantly sometimes. It doesn't matter who they are, or if they're a favorite. War is merciless and it takes whomever it pleases.
yes, but some charecters, like Cato deseved to die. others had to die, poor prim. but finnik and madge, and cinna, no realy reson to die, other than to end the book.
Sarah wrote: "All you people saying Prim, how would Collins have ended the book then? Prim's death was what made Katniss turn on Coin, so it really was necessary. Finnick's death was just stupid. In my opinion, ..."I agree - I forgot about Prim's death being the cause of Katniss's turn, but I think Snow still would've mentioned that it wasn't his bomb even if Prim hadn't died - I don't remember, but did he even know Prim was dead? I think Gale sacrificing himself for Katniss would've been better than just all of a sudden killing Finnick, it would've made her ending up with Peeta a little less guilty feeling (I was rooting for Peeta, but I still feel sorry for Gale).
First, I think many forget that this isn't a love story. It's war. If Gale had been killed, Katniss would've never been able to be with Peeta as she would've always wondered what could've been. And Peeta would've felt like she was settling for him instead of choosing. With both alive, at least there was a chance she or Gale could've fought more to be together at the end.
Finnick was a martyr. When the 5 are in Tygris' cellar, Katniss confesses that her mission wasn't part of the rebel plan. And they tell her they already knew that. None of them were idiots, they knew what she was up to, but Finnick went down fighting (along with the others that died on that mission) because they believed in her. They believed that she could kill Snow. Finnick NEEDED to die, so that Katniss could accept and realize the bigger picture. They weren't dying for HER but for what she represents, their salvation. Freedom.
Prim's death was necessary as well. It put Katniss over the edge and drove her to shoot Coin. Coin wanted to push Katniss over the edge so she wouldn't be a threat. When Katniss & Snow have their talk in the garden, Snow points out that while he was watching Katniss and Katniss was watching him Coin snuck up behind both of them an just steps into power. I just don't think Katniss would've been willing or able to shoot Coin if Prim hadn't been killed.
Sorry, I defended why those characters needed to die but failed to address the OP... which death was unnecessary. I'm not sure its a fair question though. It's a book about oppression leading to a rebellion. It's a story about turmoil and unnecessary death. If you take those deaths away all you would have left is a little girl who like 2 boys.
FINNICK and prim.Finnick was one of my favourite characters!It just broke my heart when it said that he had left poor annie the love of his life and his unborn child 3I didnt get why she had to kill Prim too.Why did Prim have to be part of the rescue/emergency people?
I think killing all those children in the end was unnecessary. I think the author crossed a line with that one. The end of the third book ruined the whole series for me, unfortunately.
I'm a liberal parent when it comes to what my kids watch and read, but even that has me questioning whether or not I want my son to read the third book.
I'm a liberal parent when it comes to what my kids watch and read, but even that has me questioning whether or not I want my son to read the third book.
Finnick:(.
Hey I know this is off topic but I am trying to send a mesage to two different people but I want to send them both the same message. So they can all be in the disscusion. How do I send a message to more than one person??? Oh and I think Finnick! It kinda made sense for Prim to die! But I loved Finnick and he fially became happy!
I think it was Prim. She grew to be one of my fav characters and I cried when she died. Of course, it was nessecary to the plot line, but still, why not make her die from illness? Also, if it was Gale that killed her, why doesn't the book emphasize on that more?
I didn't like how they killed Prim with a bomb. I also didn't like how Gale made the bomb.
Almost all deaths in last book, but Coin and Snow. Prim is without doubt the most unnecessary death.
Kirby wrote: "I think cinna's death was necessary for katniss to embrace her role as the mockingjay.I think finnick's death was necessary to show that the good guys get killed in inglorious ways.
I think prim..."
But for this doens't need Finnick's death, there's a lot of unnamed carachters that died in book. Looked just a push of harder emotions from the readers
i think that prim and cinna's death was soo bad i couldnt believe it when i read it :(
Elizabeth wrote: "Lea wrote: "Elizabeth wrote: "I had no problem with any of the characters actually dying. There was a huge, bloody war going on..you knew many lives were going to be lost. I just HATED the way she ..."Well if it makes a difference - who says he was forgotten about? We know Annie didn't forget about him, and I highly doubt Peeta and Katniss did. Not everything can be included in the written story, it would become infinite.
Bookheaded wrote: "Thatismahogany! wrote: "Charlotte :) wrote: "Finnick and Prim!"YES! I AGREE. I feel so bad for annie and katniss!"
Katniss doesnt die!!!!"
Neither does Annie - she was referring to the death of Finnick.
Rebecca wrote: "yes, but some charecters, like Cato deseved to die. others had to die, poor prim. but finnik and madge, and cinna, no realy reson to die, other than to end the book."Think of the things Cinna and Finnick did to defy the Capitol. I knew Cinna was going to be assassinated when he made the fabulous Mockinjay costume for the Quarter Quell. Finnick died fighting the mutts so Katniss could go on, a choice I like to think he would've been proud of. It's also a story that Annie will retell to Finnick's child and be proud of.
Mightymoose wrote: "First, I think many forget that this isn't a love story. It's war. If Gale had been killed, Katniss would've never been able to be with Peeta as she would've always wondered what could've been. A..."
Very well put!
100% Finnick. I think Prim's death, though tragic, was acceptable as the author's choice, since the whole rebellion began because Katniss took Prim's place in the Hunger Games so that she wouldn't die (there's no way Prim would have survived).
FINNICK. his death was so unnecessary. Nothing really would have changed if she just kept him alive. And it was just s sudden. The whole death sequence was only about 2 sentences. You would think after all Finnick had done in the books, his death would get more than a few sentences. That was the one thing that really just bugged me about Mockingjay. But anyways, I think Prim's death had a point because it really showed how cruel the rebels could be just to make a point. It pretty much showed that they were no better than the capital.
and Cinna, I kind of saw Prim coming though.
Prim. That was just cruel. I get why Suzanne Collins did it. But I'm sure it pissed a lot of people off, myself included. Finnick's death was just quick and unnecessary. The second he finds happiness he loses it all in a blink of an eye.
Definitely finnick. him dying just made the story worse, she went way overboard on that, and nothing changed afterwards except the fact that annie was all alone again. Prims death actually helped the plot because it led katniss to kill president coin. I loved the series and then the last 6 chapters of mockingjay just ruined everything for me.
Finnick, it just reminded me to one of the Harry Potter's dead
I think the point of Finnick's death is to show what a waste and hole death creates. Death often doesn’t have a point. In real life death doesn’t forward the story on, it happens and often it has no meaning and you can’t make sense of it.
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