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The Most Unnecessary Death
Finnick, there was not enough detail on his last stand. Prim was sad, but necessary, and it really shaped the end.
I think her mother should have died, not Prim. Finnick shouldn't have died either.
I'm with everyone that I hated to see Finnick and obviously Prim go. But they were totally necessary to the themes of the story.Yes, Finnick deserved a death fitting of John Wayne, but this series wasn't about delivering satisfaction to the reader. His death was about war. Where beloved and amazing people are ripped from this world in the blink of an eye. So fast, that if you're there, it's just something that happened to deal with later if you're LUCKY. Not going out in some grand heroic blaze taking out an army in the process with a fire that light the gates of heaven and hell, but simply winked out of existence.
Prim's death, which was probably the hardest for me personally was there to illuminate the absolute HORROR of it all. That no one PUSHING for a war will lead you anywhere you want to be. That war removes all trace of trust in us. That our allies, loved ones, and even ourselves can be responsible for the toll of our own horror.
Neither of these deaths were something I liked to see. But the weight of the messages of this series would not hit nearly as hard, nor cut as deep if they weren't there.
Amanda wrote: "Fernanda wrote: "Sure, i agree but, i think that every death in the book has a meaning, i could list them all, most of them are about the capitol showing who's in control, but the death i can't fin..."Wow, you're absolutely right, i havent thought about it in that way...
And it wasn't that repetitive haha
I hated that Finnick died so much, but not just because he was a great character but I was sad for Annie. We saw him go from an amazing character in the games, to a completely depressed character because he lost Annie. Every emotion he had we were there for, and then he just died. I wanted him and Annie to grow completely old together because they obviously needed each other.
Grace wrote: "Finnick. Maybe Finnick's death would have been worthwhile if Collins had spent a little more time writing about his final stand. Readers would have been able to sympathize and truly mourn over hi..."
I totally agree, if Collins had gone more in depth it would have made more sense, rather than her just going along. You don't even have time to grasp the meaning of his death since it goes by so fast...
Definitely Cinna, Finnick and Prim as I said before
Greg wrote: "Not going out in some grand heroic blaze taking out an army in the process with a fire that light the gates of heaven and hell, but simply winked out of existence..."I love how you put that!
PRIM! 100% PRIM!!!!! She was Katniss's sister and she LOVED her sister!!! I didn't really like Finnick that much. sorry :(
Kirby wrote: "Greg wrote: "Not going out in some grand heroic blaze taking out an army in the process with a fire that light the gates of heaven and hell, but simply winked out of existence..."I love how you p..."
Why thank you, Kirby :)
Rue's death was sad, but it was going to happen anyways. Finnick and Prim didn't need to die, in my opinion.
Kirby wrote: "Karen wrote: "It was surprising to me at how Rue's death and welfare was agonized over in the first book, while Prim's death was glossed over by comparison. It did not evoke the emotion that the f..."I agree. The emotion wasn't there over Prim's death because we never had an opportunity to connect to that character. She was always tucked away with their mom. All in all, we spent more time with Katniss's prep crew than we did her sister.
I loved Finnick and grieved his death bitterly! However, he was a warrior and he left as quickly as he appeared, so I can understand his role in the plot.HOWEVER, Prim's death has been the hardest to take. Since every decision Katniss has made has been to keep her sister alive, by killing her has Collins just wasted our time?! I hope not, but I feel slightly betrayed by her death...
Cinna, Cinna, and Cinna. I'm not sure why, but I got so emotionally attached to this character. He was the one pure character that was in the Capitol. He was completely reliable, and compassionate. He was, as Katniss observed, so patient with the prep team he knew to be intellectually below him. Oh, Cinna. I shall miss you.
Tiffany wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Karen wrote: "It was surprising to me at how Rue's death and welfare was agonized over in the first book, while Prim's death was glossed over by comparison. It did not evoke the emot..."But its not like we had that much time with Rue either.
Finnick. I think Prim dying was kinda neccesary because of the whole love triangle thing...problema solved...
I didn't like Finnick, so I really didn't care that he, ya know, kicked the bucket!
I don't believe in "Unnecessary deaths" when it comes to novels, because DEATH itself doesn't need a reason for happening. It just does.The deaths actually made the series more realistic.
So even though I really hated it when and how Finnick died (what a way to go...) It actually was what made Mockingjay so emotional and real.
Jaye wrote: "Okay, that was a bit corny... haha..."lmao haha
Katie (Taylor Lautner&Justin Bieber's #1 fan :) ) wrote: "I didn't like Finnick, so I really didn't care that he, ya know, kicked the bucket!"Me too!! I didn't like Finnick either!!!
I really think Prim didn't have to die because she was the REASON this even started. Katniss volunteered her self so Prim wouldn't die.
Emily wrote: "I think all of the deaths were necessary. I know I'm in the minority but Suzanne Collins wrote this series to show what happens during war. The loss of people you love, acquaintances and how people..."I definately agree, but some people dying just seemed unneccesary. it was a YOUNG ADULTS book.
finnick and prim :(
no question about it: prim!i was really like crying when she died...ok not really, but i was really sad!
I believe that 'unnecessary' wouldn't be the right word for Prim's death. I'm not saying that I don't totally ball my eyes out every time I read it. My viewpoint is that I see the reason behind her death. It was sad and all but Suzane really made it good ending having her die. I mean, what better of an ending could you have thought of, that actually was as good and brought a dramatic end to the end of the series. I'd like to see someone try.Finnick n the other hand was unnecessary. He could have lived in peace after all this and have made a huge impact on the ending. It seems like they forget about Finnick pretty quickly. Now, if Prim wouldn't have died, that would have effected the ending
dramatically.
Just my point of view!
Kailee wrote: "I believe that 'unnecessary' wouldn't be the right word for Prim's death. I'm not saying that I don't totally ball my eyes out every time I read it. My viewpoint is that I see the reason behind her..."Yeah, if Prim hadn't died, there's a pretty good chance that Coin would still be alive, and who knows where we'd be then?
Mocha Spresso said:
"Isn't it ironic that we readers seem much more deeply affected by Finnick's death than the characters themselves?..."
Just hear me out:
There is a small boy walking with his brand new puppy down the side walk. His parents bought him the pet because he was a lonely child, picked on constantly by the neighborhood bullies.
He tosses the ball ahead of him playing fetch with the pup. The boy smiled for what seemed like the first time in forever. Just then, a group of older boys crossed the street to him. They demanded the backpack slung across his back. The boy mustered all of his courage and refused. The bullies began to push him around, each taking swings in turn, but the little boy did not give in. One of the bullies looked around and kicked his puppy as hard as he could across the lawn where he lay motionless. After a while, the bullies became bored and left the boy, cut and bleeding, without his backpack, standing on the sidewalk.
How many of you are still only thinking of the puppy?
To the characters in the novel it felt like Finnick was the boy. They knew what happened to him but they were more interested in the puppy that got scraped in the fight.
((Seriously, try telling that story to a small crowd. Most of them will listen unemotional to the little boys story but will gasp or look horrified when the bully kicks the puppy. Sad world.))
"Isn't it ironic that we readers seem much more deeply affected by Finnick's death than the characters themselves?..."
Just hear me out:
There is a small boy walking with his brand new puppy down the side walk. His parents bought him the pet because he was a lonely child, picked on constantly by the neighborhood bullies.
He tosses the ball ahead of him playing fetch with the pup. The boy smiled for what seemed like the first time in forever. Just then, a group of older boys crossed the street to him. They demanded the backpack slung across his back. The boy mustered all of his courage and refused. The bullies began to push him around, each taking swings in turn, but the little boy did not give in. One of the bullies looked around and kicked his puppy as hard as he could across the lawn where he lay motionless. After a while, the bullies became bored and left the boy, cut and bleeding, without his backpack, standing on the sidewalk.
How many of you are still only thinking of the puppy?
To the characters in the novel it felt like Finnick was the boy. They knew what happened to him but they were more interested in the puppy that got scraped in the fight.
((Seriously, try telling that story to a small crowd. Most of them will listen unemotional to the little boys story but will gasp or look horrified when the bully kicks the puppy. Sad world.))
Mocha Spresso wrote: "Isn't it ironic that we readers seem much more deeply affected by Finnick's death than the characters themselves? That is why I didn't like Finnick's death in the book. I don't profess to be a gr..."That's why it feels like the most unnecessary of the deaths. There was a point to all the others, including Prim's, but it was a little hard to see the point behind Finnick's death and there wasn't enough made of it's impact on the others, like you said.
Cinna. How does no one here remember his awesomeness? He didn't need to die, Katniss didn't need to see it and his stylists didn't need to be tortured to death. Cinna was an amazing character.
I agree, Cinna dying was really shocking.
Finnick and Cinna for sure. I can see the message she is trying to give the readers when each and every (well pretty much) person dies, because war doesn't have its happy ending. I was absolutely furious and devastated when both Finnick and Cinna died. I wished they didn't. Especially Finnick knowing Annie and him never got their fulfilling happily ever after... *tear*
Finnick. I've noticed authors like JK Rowling and Suzanne Collins seem to like killing of favourite characters.
Finnick, and because it was like no one really paid attention to it- Katniss did not bother to think about him even for a second, or at meybe she did, while hiding in all those laundry rooms, but Collins decided to not show it...which i do not like...
During the tunnel portion I completely lost track of who was alive and who was dead. I don't know if she wanted the reader as disoriented as the characters running from rose scented gator mutts but I think that there could have been a bit more time spent on Finnick AND the rest of the people lost in the tunnel. Especially Finnick though.
Mocha Spresso wrote: "Isn't it ironic that we readers seem much more deeply affected by Finnick's death than the characters themselves? That is why I didn't like Finnick's death in the book. I don't profess to be a gr..."
I know!!! I mean, everyone knows, he should've gone out with a bang. If anyone deserves a dramatic death, (giving us time to cry over it) it's definitely Finnick! I mean, no memorable quote as he dies, no drama, no crying. What's with that?
I know!!! I mean, everyone knows, he should've gone out with a bang. If anyone deserves a dramatic death, (giving us time to cry over it) it's definitely Finnick! I mean, no memorable quote as he dies, no drama, no crying. What's with that?
There were TOO MANY deaths. For an author, she went WAY too far. I mean, seriously, kill one or two, not, like, all of the main characters. It was extremely disapointing. Especially when they killed Prim.
Finnick, his death was one of the most dissapointing moments of the book, I think Suzanne Collins just ran out of ideas at that point.
I hated Prim from the start, I didn't care about her. But Finnick? Why? Finnick Odair FOREVER!
Emily wrote: "I hated Prim from the start, I didn't care about her. But Finnick? Why? Finnick Odair FOREVER!"PRIM IS KATNISS'S SISTER, HOW CAN YOU NOT CARE ABOUT HER???
Cinna, Finnick, Prim, and even Madge's deaths were all unnecessary. And even if they were important deaaths, you'd think they would have a more dramatic ending, one that included a time of mourning and loss, not just, UH OH! Some lizard thing just ate Finnick! Oh well! or Look, Prim just caught fire and died, what a shame! or Dang it, poor Cinna didn't make it out from the Capitol, and little Madge didn't make it out of District 12! Oh well, back to plotting an assassination, ladida! Ok. Rant over. :D
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I think that is the meaning of his death. That death happens to anyone in war. For example, just look at how many posts this topic has gotten and almost all of these people wrote Finnick. The reason he died was to have a large impact. I think I personally was more upset about his death than Prims, and THAT is the point of his death. Death can happen to anyone. And Finnick wouldn't be the character he is if he didn't go with them through the capitol and make a last stand for them (and his Love).
Just my opinion. And sorry for being a little repetitive, I was having trouble really explaining myself, had to reword this a few times.