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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments So a battleship has guns and a fleet carrier has planes? Is that right?
When I was in San Diego, we toured the USS Midway which was a navy aircraft carrier from after WW2 until after Desert Storm and is now a museum. It was interesting.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Page 527

Douglas MacArthur and his inaction for 10 hours after Pearl.

I think I would like to read a small bio of him. I know of his actions during the Bonus March. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
This adds to my dislike of him.

Has anyone read a bio of him that they would recommend ?

I see my library has a Signature Series bio of him. I love this series. It's short, 100 pages, and yet very informative. It's a YA series. They usually include good photos, maps, glossary etc. It just the right size book when you want more than a Wiki article, yet don't want to read a doorstop book. I also recognize the author's name. Probably from past books in the series.

I'll have to put this on my TBR list.

Douglas MacArthur America's General by Brenda HaugenDouglas MacArthur: America's General~Brenda Haugen


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments I have to say I am learning a lot from this book. The writing is terrific, too.

What I am enjoying most is when a topics come up, I now find, because of reading other books on the topic, I now have a bit of background or at least have heard of the topic. With my poor memory I have to say I find this very satisfying.

When I read, Read for Your Life: 11 Ways to Better Yourself Through Books I think he recommended reading at least 5 books on a topic to have some working knowledge of it. For me that is probably more like 10 with my memory. :)


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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments Alias Reader wrote: "When I read, Read for Your Life: 11 Ways to Better Yourself Through Books I think he recommended reading at least 5 books on a topic to have some working knowledge of it. ..."

Too bad I can't afford to quit my job and read. :-)
I agree though, I need to read about some things several times to remember.


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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments Alias Reader wrote: "Page 523
Footnote

Fifty representatives and six senators, by contrast, had voted against the resolution taking the United States into WWI in 1917. Jeannette Rankin of Montana, the first women el..."


Thanks for the info on her. I had never heard of her before. I like what she said..."As a woman, I can't go to war and I refuse to send anyone else."

I am partway through chapter 16 and liking it alot. Why was history never this fun in school? :-)
The talk of marching prisoners made me think of when we read A Town Like Alice. The chapter also made me want to play the game Battleship just so I can say "You sunk my battleship"! Hehe. I used to like that game as a kid.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Julie wrote: I am partway through chapter 16 and liking it alot. Why was history never this fun in school? :-)
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I hear ya. I know I keep saying it, but this was one well deserved Pulitzer. The writing is superb. The research that the author undertook must have been immense. He takes complex topics and makes them totally understandable without dumbing down. It truly is an excellent book that I would recommend without hesitation.


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Madrano (madran) | 3137 comments It continues to be a pleasure to read the comments the two of you share as you read the book. Rankin and her political life is an interesting one. I don't know what Kennedy wrote about her, so you may be aware of this fact. She was elected in 1916, four years before most US women had the right to vote. However, Montana granted suffrage early, as did several other western states. So, she was in Congress before most US women had the right to vote for her.

Upon her death, Rankin bequeathed her property to a town in Georgia, i think, to help unemployed women workers. This, in turn, was the seed money for the Rankin Foundation, which gives scholarships to low income women. Can ya tell i'm a fan?

deb


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Madrano wrote:
. She was elected in 1916, four years before most US women had the right to vote. However, Montana granted suffrage early, as did several other western states. So, she was in Congress before most US women had the right to vote for her.
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I should have made that connection, but didn't, since women didn't get the right to vote until 1920. Thanks.

I just read about women's suffrage in my daily read of
The Intellectual Devotional: Revive Your Mind, Complete Your Education, and Roam Confidently with the Cultured Class. The book is comprised of one page, 365 daily readings. I guess the book was a success as I see there are now a few different ones published.

I see they have one for history ! I hear Amazon calling me. :) They have them on sale for only $10.


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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments Madrano wrote: "It continues to be a pleasure to read the comments the two of you share as you read the book. Rankin and her political life is an interesting one. I don't know what Kennedy wrote about her, so you ..."

I am glad you are joining in the disacussion even if you aren;'t reading the book. The more the merrier!


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Chapter 17

I have no memory of reading or being taught in school about the 8 ships sunk in the NY harbor. Somehow I thought of the war as being fought "over there".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_H...


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments I just requested the DVD of Patton from my library. I've never seen this academy award winning film. Have you, Julie?


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments I just finished chapter 17. What strikes me as almost obscene is the number of people killed, maimed and imprisoned. It truly is hard to fathom.

"Over 60 million people were killed, which was over 2.5% of the world population."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wa...


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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments Alias Reader wrote: "I just requested the DVD of Patton from my library. I've never seen this academy award winning film. Have you, Julie?"

I don't think so. If I have I don't remember it.


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Madrano (madran) | 3137 comments Alias Reader wrote: "I just requested the DVD of Patton from my library. I've never seen this academy award winning film. Have you, Julie?"

Pardon my bragging but i am compelled to do so. My uncle (by marriage) had a father who was an art director in films. He won his second Academy Award for his work on Patton. It was especially sweet because it was the last film he worked on before retiring. George C. Scott portrayed Patton, btw.

Alias, i think it was at the Seaport Museum where i read/heard about the sinking of those ships. If that is correct, they had photos of some parts of it, too.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Thanks for the info about the ships and the seaport. I will definitely check that out next time I am there. I swear you found out more about NYC, in your short stay then I have in a lifetime !

That is so cool that you have a connection to the movie through you uncle. The only thing I recall is Scott didn't go to the awards and turned the Oscar down.

Here is the YouTube of a very young Goldie Hawn presenting the Best Actor award. Gosh they all look so young !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=455lV5...


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Madrano (madran) | 3137 comments Alias, i had to make the most of every moment while in the City! My day at that museum was one of my favorite because i so enjoy maritime museums. This one had so many ships to board & i had my camera--a dangerous combo! I must have shot 100 or more photos on board.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments I've been to the seaport to eat, but never to the museum. I'll have to put it on Bucket list. :)


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Madrano (madran) | 3137 comments I had a wonderful time there, as noted. At least one of the ships also homed another exhibit about lighthouses, which i found fascinating. By the end of the day i was exhausted but i have treasured the photos and memories ever since. It ranks on my top 5 maritime museums.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Since we are reading about WWII, I thought this article would be of interest.


World War II Airplane, Kittyhawk P-40, Found In Egyptian Desert 70 Years After Crashing (PHOTOS, VIDEO)

A World War II airplane belonging to Britain's Royal Air Force (RAF) has been found in the Sahara Desert nearly 70 years after it crash landed, Metro reports.

According to Vintage Wings, a Canadian aviation news website, Jakub Perka, who works for an oil company, came across the Kittyhawk P-40 in March when his team was on an expedition in the Egyptian desert.

As the photos below show, the plane is in remarkably good condition, with the cockpit's instrument panel and plane's body nearly unharmed despite almost seven decades in the Sahara.

"It is a quite incredible time capsule, the aviation equivalent of Tutankhamun's Tomb," said Andy Saunders, a UK-based historian, according to the Daily Mail.

According to the press agency Bournemouth News & Picture Service, the pilot is thought to have been Flight Sergeant Dennis Copping, who was 24-years-old at the time of the crash.

Saunders speculated that Copping survived the crash because a parachute was found near the airplane. "[My] guess is the poor bloke used it to shelter from the sun," Saunders said, according to The Daily Mail.

"If he died at the side of the plane his remains would have been found," he added, according to The Mail. "Once he had crashed there, nobody was going to come and get him. It is more likely he tried to walk out of the desert but ended up walking to his death. It is too hideous to contemplate."

Metro reports that Copping belonged to the RAF’s 260 Squadron that was based in Egypt during a campaign against German General Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. According to the paper, Copping "had been told to fly two damaged Kittyhawk P-40 planes from one British airbase in northern Egypt to another for repairs" when he lost his way and crashed during the flight.

According to the Telegraph, the Egyptian military recently removed ammunition and guns from the single-engine airplane. In a video posted to YouTube, available below, men in camouflage can be seen removing ammunition from the aircraft.

According to the Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum, there were 13,737 Curtis P-40's built between 1939 and 1944. The model found in the Sahara, a P-40E, had six .50 caliber machine guns mounted on the wings. The single-engine airplanes had only one crew member.

In December, a diver four miles off the coast of Florida came across a Curtiss Helldiver SB2C, a World War II dive bomber aircraft, ABC News reported.

------ For photo's and video see link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05...


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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments It's weird to think that there are places on this earth right out in the open like that no one has been in 70 years. Thanks for the story.

What chapter are you on? I totally lost track of where we are supposed to even be at this point.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Julie, I am going to try and read chapter 18 this weekend.

I know we said we would do a chapter a week, but to my mind, that is only a guide. Read at whatever pace suits you best. No stress about keeping up. Just enjoy the journey. :)


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Julie wrote: "It's weird to think that there are places on this earth right out in the open like that no one has been in 70 years. Thanks for the story.
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Yes, you would think there wouldn't be a inch on earth like that.

It would be neat if they could find out what happened to the pilot. I hope he managed to get to safety.


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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments Oh good we are in the same place. Maybe it was just my mood at the time but I found ch 17 to be the most boring chapter so far. I'll start ch 18 this weekend too.


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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments There are some great photos in chapter 18! ( even if some of them are also disturbing)


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments I am trying to finish up our Group Read. I have about 50 pages to go. If I can finish tomorrow, I will start on 18 then. I'm glad to hear the next batch of photo's are next. I find them fascinating.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Chapter 18

I just started the chapter but wanted to say the photographs included in this section are very interesting. They add a human element to the story.

I found this stat surprising.
p616
"Even in its weakened Depression state, the American economy was fearsome, if slumbering, behemoth. In 1938, the last full peacetime year and a year in which the pinch of the Roosevelt Recession especially dampened American production, national income in the United States was nevertheless nearly double the combined national incomes of Germany, Japan and Italy."


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Sometimes all the letters and dates can be a bit confusing. I put these dates at the back of my book.

D-Day is a military term designating the start of a military operation.

D-day in modern history refers to what happened on 6th June 1944 - the day on which the Battle of Normandy began.

V-E Day stands for Victory in Europe Day.
It marks a very important event in World War 2 - the end of the War with Germany on Tuesday 8 May 1945.

V-J Day stands for Victory in Japan Day.
the day Japan surrendered to the Allies after almost six years of war on 15 August 1945

"a date which will live in infamy". June 6 1944
The attack on Pearl Harbor


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Book mentioned in chapter 18

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich A History of Nazi Germany by William L. Shirer
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany~~William L. Shirer

SINCE ITS PUBLICATION FIVE DECADES AGO, William L. Shirer’s monumental study of Hitler’s empire has been widely acclaimed as the definitive record of the twentieth century’s blackest hours. A worldwide bestseller with millions of copies in print, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich offers an unparalleled and thrillingly told examination of how Adolf Hitler nearly succeeded in conquering the world.


I would like to read this book but the mammoth size has always made me hesitate. It's over 1000 pages.

The reviews on Amazon, however, make me want to take the plunge.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments As you probably know the book we are reading is part of the Oxford History of the United States.

Since I am learning so much, and think the book is so well done, I think I may consider reading another book in the series. The years 1945-74 I think would be fascinating to read more about.

Grand Expectations The United States, 1945-1974 by James T. Patterson Grand Expectations: The United States, 1945-1974~James T. Patterson
Patterson (history, Brown Univ.) successfully puts into context the events of a tumultuous 30-year period in U.S. history. Among the tools he uses to do this are an extensive bibliography and ample footnotes and statistics. His focus is on political events and his emphasis is evenly divided between foreign and domestic issues. The main recurring themes are civil rights (and what Patterson calls "rights consciousness") and the containment of communism. It was a period of prosperity that made this rights revolution possible, even though prosperity failed to enable the United States to impose its values throughout the world. More than a summarizer of headline stories, Patterson is judgmental about all characters and issues but is generally evenhanded in his assessments. His work explains the history of the times of the baby boomer generation and could become the definitive work on the era. Recommended for all collections.


-- The author is not Kennedy. Has anyone read anything by James T. Patterson ?


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Chapter 18

I found the two myths about WWII that Kennedy discusses in this chapter interesting.

Myth 1
"The government mounted a vigorous propaganda campaign to lure women into the wartime work force. Contrary to legend, most chose to stay at home."

Today, the picture that comes to mind is Rosy The Riveter.


Did he give the stat for the % that went to work?


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Chapter 18 page 633 onward

Myth 2 - Deferments

"Contrary to much later mythology, the nation's young men did not step forward in unison to answer the trumpet's call, neither before not after Pearl Harbor."

"More than 70,000 young men described themselves as conscientious objectors."

The Tydings Amendment- It exempted from service all agricultural workers. P634

p644
"Married men had enjoyed exemption from the first draft calls-a provision that by one estimate prompted 40% of the 21 year olds caught in the first registration in late 1940 to marry within 6 weeks."

P635
A apocryphal story circulated that "a young couple named their baby Weatherstrip because he kept his father out of the draft."


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Photographs in Chapter 18

One of the photos shows the evacuation of Japanese and Japanese-Americans from the West Coast.
The photo mentions "A divided U.S. Supreme Court eventually upheld the constitutionality of the deportations, in a case that has remained controversial ever since."

I hope Kennedy delves into this topic. I've read a few fiction books that brought up this topic but I would like to read a nonfiction account.

I found this on the net -

On This Day: Supreme Court Upholds Constitutionality of Japanese Internment

On Dec. 18, 1944, the Supreme Court ruled in Korematsu v. United States that the wartime internment of Japanese-Americans was constitutional, though it ruled in a separate decision that loyal citizens must be released. The decisions came soon after the government decided to end internment.

Between 1942 and the end of World War II, in the single largest forced relocation in U.S. history, nearly 120,000 Japanese-Americans were forced from their homes and transported to internment camps all over the western United States.

The policy was the direct result of President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s Executive Order 9066. Signed in the wake of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the order designated all West Coast residents of Japanese ancestry—whether citizens or not—as “enemy aliens.”

Fred Korematsu, a son of Japanese immigrants living in San Francisco, defied the military and police, remaining with his Italian-American girlfriend while his family was transported to an internment camp in Tanforan, Calif. He assumed a new identity and had plastic surgery to alter his appearance, but he was caught on May 30, 1942 and taken to Tanforan.

With the help of an ACLU director, Korematsu filed a lawsuit against the U.S. government, arguing that his constitutional rights had been violated and that he had suffered racial discrimination. He lost lower court cases, receiving a five-year probation for violating the executive order.

The case eventually made it to the U.S. Supreme Court; a year earlier, the court had upheld the constitutionality of curfews for Japanese-Americans in Yasui v. United States and Hirabayashi v. United States. The cases served as the foundation for the Korematsu case, with the justices ruling 6-3 to uphold his arrest and internment.

Justice Hugo Black, writing the majority opinion, defended internment on the basis of national security: “He was excluded because we are at war with the Japanese Empire, because the properly constituted military authorities feared an invasion of our West Coast and felt constrained to take proper security measures … and finally, because Congress, reposing its confidence in this time of war in our military leaders—as inevitably it must—determined that they should have the power to do just this.”

Justices Frank Murphy, Robert Jackson and Owen Roberts dissented. Murphy wrote that the decision was a “legalization of racism,” while Jackson warned of its potential consequences.

“The Court for all time has validated the principle of racial discrimination in criminal procedure and of transplanting American citizens,” he wrote. “The principle then lies about like a loaded weapon ready for the hand of any authority that can bring forward a plausible claim of an urgent need.”

n Dec. 7, 1941, the Japanese Empire launched a surprise aerial attack on a U.S. Naval base in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. The following day, President Roosevelt and Congress declared war on Japan.

Many Americans feared that Japan could launch a similar attack on the West Coast. On Feb. 19, 1942, Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 authorizing the internment of over 100,000 Japanese-Americans under the justification that some may be aiding the Japanese war effort.

Over the next several years, about 120,000 Japanese immigrants and American citizens of Japanese descent were rounded up and interned in military camps. There were 10 internment camps, located in remote areas in eastern California, northern Arizona, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, and Arkansas.



The rest of the article is too long to post, but it is really quite interesting. The article also contains a lot of fascinating hyper-links.

This web link is for Finding Dulcinea-Librarian of the Internet. It's a cool web site that you may want to save for future reference.

Here is the link to the full article.
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/o...


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Chapter 18

p630

If you had asked me prior to reading this book what was the turning point in Hitler's war, I would not have known.

According to Kennedy, it was the Battle of Stalingrad.

Here is what Wiki has on it. For the full article see the link.

The Battle of Stalingrad was a major battle of World War II in which Nazi Germany and its allies fought the Soviet Union for control of the city of Stalingrad (now Volgograd) in southwestern Russia. The battle took place between 23 August 1942 and 2 February 1943. It was the largest battle on the Eastern Front and was marked by brutality and disregard for military and civilian casualties. It is among the bloodiest battles in the history of warfare, with the higher estimates of combined casualties amounting to nearly two million. The heavy losses inflicted on the German army made it a turning point in the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_o...

Here are some books on the topic I found on amazon. There were a lot of books. I selected a few with a lot of reviews.

Enemy at the Gates (movie tie-in) The Battle for Stalingrad by William Craig Enemy at the Gates (movie tie-in): The Battle for Stalingrad~~William Craig
Two madmen, Hitler and Stalin, engaged in a death struggle that would determine the course of history at staggering cost of human life. Craig has written the definitive book on one of the most terrible battles ever fought. With 24 pages of photos.



The Forgotten Soldier by Guy Sajer The Forgotten Soldier~~Guy Sajer
His German footsoldier’s perspective makes The Forgotten Soldier a unique war memoir, the book that the Christian Science Monitor said "may well be the book about World War II which has been so long awaited." Now it has been handsomely republished as a hardcover containing fifty rare German combat photos of life and death at the eastern front. The photos of troops battling through snow, mud, burned villages, and rubble-strewn cities depict the hardships and destructiveness of war. Many are originally from the private collections of German soldiers and have never been published before. This volume is a deluxe edition of a true classic
Stalingrad: The Fateful Siege, 1942-1943

Stalingrad The Fateful Siege, 1942-1943 by Antony Beevor Stalingrad: The Fateful Siege, 1942-1943~~Antony Beevor


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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments Wow you have alot to say about this chapter! I am still just past the photos....

I have the Civil War book of the series on my list to read. Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era
I should add Grand Expectations too. I never learned much post WW2 history in school. We always seemed to run out of time at the end of the year. I wonder if the other authors are as interesting. I have heard good things about other books in the series, but none of my friends have read Grand Expectations yet.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Julie wrote: "Wow you have alot to say about this chapter! I am still just past the photos....

I have the Civil War book of the series on my list to read. Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era
I should add G..."

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You know me, Julie, you give me a few sentences and I run off to the Internet for hours of research ! :) Pay me no mind.

The Civil War book has a lot of good reviews. I've read quite a few books on Lincoln when it was the 200 anniversary of his birthday and all those Lincoln books came out. So I think I would like to move on to history after WWII.


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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments Haha. No problem. It saves me the time from having to look anything up!


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Madrano (madran) | 3137 comments Alias Reader wrote: "You know me, Julie, you give me a few sentences and I run off to the Internet for hours of research ! :) Pay me no mind. ..."

This is a valuable attribute, Alias! I'm benefitting from your research, as well as the discussions you and Julie are having. The numbers re. volunteers, female & male, are interestingly mythbusting, aren't they? Once again i thank you both.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Thanks, Deb. :)


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments I finished chapter 18 tonight and just wanted to make a few remarks on it.

Re: our civilian economy during the war

I never really thought about how during the war we were able to grow a civilian economy and a war economy. And the other allies could not. Of course, they were being attacked on their own soil. And they were fighting the war quite awhile before we entered it.

P646
The civilian consumption increased at all in the U.S. was a singularly American achievement. In Britain personal consumption shrank by 22%. In the Soviet Union, the third Grand Alliance partner, the home front experience was nearly the opposite of that in the U.S. -massive invasion, followed by a crash mobilization program characterized by harshly regulated scarcity rather than the Americans' loosely supervised abundance."

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"over the course of the war, civilian consumption fell by nearly 20% in Germany and 26% in Japan."


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Chapter 18

Re: the production line & manufacturing in the U.S.

It's kind of amusing that our "uneducated" workforce and our notion of "quantity over quality" in our production turned out to be a asset. (p649)


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Chapter 18

Re- the Atomic Bomb

I've read this before but it was still interesting to read that statistics and learn how the Germans and the Italians hurt their war effort due to their prejudices.

P657
"When the Nazis promulgated their first anti-Jewish ordinance on April 7, 1933, forcing the retirement of all non Aryan civil servants, Szilard and hundred of other Jewish university professors lost their jobs, including a quarter of all the physicists in Germany, eleven of who were already or would become Nobel Prize winners."

I wasn't aware that the Germans had canceled their own bomb project. For some reason I thought we were in a race against time with them on building the bomb.

P666
"Ironically, at virtually the same time the Americans were expressing these anxieties, and unbeknownst to them, the Germans were canceling their own bomb project."

Gosh, there certainly was a lot of info in this chapter !


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Madrano (madran) | 3137 comments Alias Reader wrote: "Chapter 18

Re: the production line & manufacturing in the U.S.

It's kind of amusing that our "uneducated" workforce and our notion of "quantity over quality" in our production turned out to be a asset..."


That is interesting.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Deb, the author notes the Germans were focused on quality, precision and organization. We couldn't do that with our sort of rag tag workers. The author also discusses Ford and his production line which simplified things. Workers only had to learn one task.

Thus the Germans weren't able to match us in production. They had better plans and such, but we overwhelmed them with quantity. Which we needed to do, as we were not only supplying ourselves but also other countries.

The author writes on P 649
In part, the Americans made a virtue of necessity. Their wartime preference for generic, high-volume output over specially engineered, high performance armaments flowed in significant measure from th historic nature of the American work force, disproportionately composted of ill-educated immigrants with scant industrial skills.

Henry Ford's clattering automobile assembly line, tended by gangs of often unlettered Polish and Italian immigrants, Appalachian whites, and transplanted southern black sharecroppers, was the archetypal example of American's peculiar industrial style.

P648
The German armaments minister, Albert Speer, shrewdly assessed the peculiar nature of the American economy in a memorandum to Hitler in 1944. The war, he said, was a contest between two system of organization. The Americans, he insisted knew how to act with organizationally simple methods and therefore achieved greater results, whereas we were hampered by superannuated forms of organization and therefore could not match eh other feats.

Until Speer brought a modicum of efficiency to the German production effort late in the war the Germans were making 425 different kinds of aircraft, 151 types of trucks, and 150 different motorcycles. The Americans, in contrast, consciously eschewed variety and willing sacrificed some measure of quality in order to achieve higher production numbers: quantitative superiority. Given their national style of production, the Germans typically excelled at performance enhancing improvements in machine tool technology and metallurgy.


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Madrano (madran) | 3137 comments This might explain (among many other things) why the 50s were more booming than expected. Mass quantities of goods were made with quality taking a back seat. When i read Cheap: The High Cost of Discount Culture by Ellen Ruppel Shell, the growth of the '50s was mentioned, as well as the quantity issue, but i didn't realize how this helped in the war effort.


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Madrano wrote:When i read Cheap: The High Cost of Discount Culture by Ellen Ruppel Shell, the growth of the '50s was mentioned, as well as the quantity issue, but i didn't realize how this helped in the war effort.
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Some may find it corny or geeky, but this is exactly why I love to read. It's these connections one makes and has that "ah hah” moment when it all comes together. :)


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Madrano (madran) | 3137 comments I hear ya! :-)


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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments Alias Reader wrote: "P646
The civilian consumption increased at all in the U.S. was a singularly American achievement. In Britain personal consumption shrank by 22%. In the Soviet Union, the third Grand Alliance partner, the home front experience was nearly the opposite of that in the U.S. -massive invasion, followed by a crash mobilization program characterized by harshly regulated scarcity rather than the Americans' loosely supervised abundance." ..."


After such a long period of unemployment and being broke, americans must have been dying to finally buy things now that they could afford it! It worked out well that they managed to produce enough for both consumers and war. I, too, found it interesting that the "dumbing down" of jobs helped.


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Julie (readerjules) | 945 comments Chapter 20 mentions the saying "Kilroy was here" but does not explain it at all.
From wikipedia:
Kilroy was here is an American popular culture expression, often seen in graffiti. Its origins are debated, but the phrase and the distinctive accompanying doodle—a bald-headed man (possibly with a few hairs) with a prominent nose peeking over a wall with the fingers of each hand clutching the wall—is widely known among U.S. residents who lived during World War II.
Author Charles Panati says that in the United States "the mischievous face and the phrase became a national joke... The outrageousness of the graffiti was not so much what it said, but where it turned up."[2] The major Kilroy graffiti fad ended in the 1950s, but today people all over the world still scribble the character and "Kilroy was here" in schools, trains, and other similar public areas.

Here is another website that explains some of the legends about how it came about.
http://www.kilroywashere.org/001-Page...


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Alias Reader (aliasreader) | 29901 comments Thanks for the background on Kilroy, Julie. I am familiar with the graffiti, but not what it meant.

I apologize for being behind in my reading. I've had a few things that have come up and I haven't been able to get my reading in. I will definitely try to catch up by the next weekend.


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