Who Is The Best Wizard Of All Time?

[Pratiti]

Micaela wrote: "I thought that i was a huge LOTR fan but I guess not cuz I didn't understand or know about most of what you just said."

Only complete geeks would know that stuff; you can be a pretty diehard fan of LOTR and not know it. Sad to say, I am a complete nerd and understood everything in that post...

[Pratiti]

Kyle wrote: "Dumbledore is something of the new more contemporary version of a bad ass wizard. Gandolf is old school."

Yeah, well, Merlin is OLDER school.

[Chloe]

DUMBLEDORE

[Kyle]

Titi wrote: "Kyle wrote: "Dumbledore is something of the new more contemporary version of a bad ass wizard. Gandolf is old school."

Yeah, well, Merlin is OLDER school."

Yeah, he is even older school, I guess i forgot him on the account of he never accomplished as much in an entertaining way, like Gandolf.

[Bridget]

Belgarath in David Eddings' 5-book series that begins with The Pawn of Prophecy.

[David]

Gandalf. He doesn't mess around.

[Hazel]

Micaela wrote: "MDR oh okay I haven't gotten to read The Silmarillion yet but I really want to."

Will wrote: "I've heard it isn't very interesting and that it reads like a history textbook. I'll probably never get to where I feel I need to read it."

The first bit is really tedious, it reads like the beginning f the bible "in the beginning" and lots of begatting. But once you get to the story of Beren and Luthian it starts getting interesting. Its certainly not like reading a textbook, more like a collection of mythological stories.

[Hazel]

Just to throw it in there what about Ridcully, Archchancellor of the Unseen University in the Discworld series

[Hazel]

if we're going Discworld, I'd say Esk, she's technically a wizard.

[Shanawaz]

Mellisandre from from George RR Martin novels ... though she's a priestess ... also can we include Rasputin?

[Irsyad]

Radagast the Brown, definitely.

[Micaela]

Irsyad wrote: "Radagast the Brown, definitely."

I agree he is AWESOME!

[Jason]

Lady wrote: "I really LOVED Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell. Have 2 copies, one for myself and one to loan out.

And the greatest Wizard of all time??

If you say any wizard other than Merlin, you are too yo..."

Merlin was my pick, as well. I took a King Arthur literature course in college. Merlin is the greatest.

[Ricotn]

I really liked Ged from the Earthsea books.

[Emma]

Dumbledore of course!!!

[Pratiti]

Kyle wrote: "Yeah, he is even older school, I guess i forgot him on the account of he never accomplished as much in an entertaining way, like Gandolf. "

Yeah, I know what you mean...
Merlin was a very serious wizard, whereas Gandalf not only knew how to wield awesome powers, he also knew how to amuse himself--which is why we all love him so much.

[Harsh]

Does it requires brains??? Gandalf the White is the inspiration that made Dumbledore, but I think Gandalf the White was a bit arrogant so I vote for Gandalf the Gray, magician who is original

[Jason]

Again, all of those wizards... inspired by the original... Merlin. And not Disney Sword in the Stone Merlin, but Le Morte D'Arthur Merlin.

[Micaela]

Harsh wrote: "Does it requires brains??? Gandalf the White is the inspiration that made Dumbledore, but I think Gandalf the White was a bit arrogant so I vote for Gandalf the Gray, magician who is original"

Aren't Gandalf the gray and Gandalf the white pretty much the same person just one is when he comes almost back to life. I don't think that Gandalf the white is any more arrogant than gandalf the gray I don't think that either of them are arrogant.

[Harsh]

Micaela wrote: "Harsh wrote: "Does it requires brains??? Gandalf the White is the inspiration that made Dumbledore, but I think Gandalf the White was a bit arrogant so I vote for Gandalf the Gray, magician who is ..."

Every person who takes a rebirth is different from what he was and as far as seeing this is concern look that one was gray and other was white... moreover it was a personal opinion on the characters of the two, may be you didn't feel that way, but I felt that way

[Hazel]

Gandalf didn't have a rebirth as such, as a maia he can't die, he's a demi-god, he simply went elswhere for a while, and then got promoted to Gandalf the White, when Saruman became Saruman the Many Coloured, a rank he created all for himself in his megalomania.

If maia could die, then Sauron would have been completely defeated and destroyed in the first battle, where Isildur first inconveniently discorporated him.

[April]

Harsh wrote: "Does it requires brains??? Gandalf the White is the inspiration that made Dumbledore, but I think Gandalf the White was a bit arrogant so I vote for Gandalf the Gray, magician who is original"I wouldn't call him arrogant! I would say cofident.

[Harsh]

Hazel wrote: "Gandalf didn't have a rebirth as such, as a maia he can't die, he's a demi-god, he simply went elswhere for a while, and then got promoted to Gandalf the White, when Saruman became Saruman the Many..."

please check again I think u r wrong

[Hazel]

A maia cannot die, its that simple, they can lose their physical form, but it doesn't kill them.

[Harsh]

Hazel wrote: "A maia cannot die, its that simple, they can lose their physical form, but it doesn't kill them."

for reference please see on wiki and you will find that though he was once mentioned as maiar he still died

[Hazel]

on a wiki? Nah, I won't bother using anything that can be edited by anyone who wants to edit it as a reliable source of information.

This is coming from actually reading the books, and having a partner who has read all the histories and myths that Tolkein wrote. Tolkeins writings are more likely to be correct than a wiki.

[Harsh]

Hazel wrote: "on a wiki? Nah, I won't bother using anything that can be edited by anyone who wants to edit it as a reliable source of information.

This is coming from actually reading the books, and having a..."

okay if you say so then refer to "The Voice of Saruman" in the Two Towers its written
"Behold, I am not Gandalf the Grey, whom you betrayed. I am Gandalf the White, who has returned from death" and then in Appendix B of the Return of the King see 23-25 January under "the Great Years" its written:
23-Gandalf Pursuea the Balrog to the peak of Zirakzigil
25-He casts down the Balrog, and passes away. His body lies on the peak.

Then under February see
14-The Mirror of Galadriel. Gandalf returns to life, and lies in a trance.

[Jon]

It's Gandalf by a mile. I have a sneaking suspicion that people who pick anything else are just doing it so they aren't going with what they consider popular. Just a thought.

[Aryanne]

Howard wrote: "Harry Copperfield Blackstone Dresdin, is my favorite Wizard. From "The Dresdin Files""

Woot! I second that!

[Micaela]

Jon wrote: "It's Gandalf by a mile. I have a sneaking suspicion that people who pick anything else are just doing it so they aren't going with what they consider popular. Just a thought."

How did you know?!?! I was getting board of people always saying gandalf so I went with the person who is also my favorite Radagast the Brown

[David Creveling]

Raistlin is my favorite.

[Pratiti]

Harsh wrote:okay if you say so then refer to "The Voice of Saruman" in the Two Towers its written
"Behold, I am not Gandalf the Grey, whom you betrayed. I am Gandalf the White, who has returned from death" and then in Appendix B of the Return of the King see 23-25 January under "the Great Years" its written:
23-Gandalf Pursuea the Balrog to the peak of Zirakzigil
25-He casts down the Balrog, and passes away. His body lies on the peak.

Then under February see
14-The Mirror of Galadriel. Gandalf returns to life, and lies in a trance.

I personally, have always had the idea that he did die, but because he was a Maia, he was not reborn exactly, he kind of just came back into existence as who he was originally. I like the way Hazel said it--he went someplace else.
Even if he died, he really did not change. I mean, it's totally up for interpretation, but I personally do not believe that Tolkien was trying to change him.

[Harsh]

Titi wrote: "Harsh wrote:okay if you say so then refer to "The Voice of Saruman" in the Two Towers its written
"Behold, I am not Gandalf the Grey, whom you betrayed. I am Gandalf the White, who has returned fro..."

yes it is totally up for interpretation

[Will]

It's like the resurrection myth of Jesus. You could say he died and came back, but he didn't really die. It depends on how you think of it. He, according to the myth, also just "went someplace else," (popular speculation [lulz] is that he went into Hell to conquer Satan), and then came back.

Seeing as how Tolkien was a Christian, the allegory between Gandalf and Jesus is quite clear.

[Harsh]

Will wrote: "It's like the resurrection myth of Jesus. You could say he died and came back, but he didn't really die. It depends on how you think of it. He, according to the myth, also just "went someplace else..."

yes it is totally up for interpretation

[Mike]

What, exactly, do you mean by "best"?
I came into this thread with Belgarath in mind. Although after reading what is posted here I was reminded of Walter, or The Walkin' Dude, or Randall Flagg, or one of the many other names given to Roland Deschain's nemesis in The Dark Tower Series Collection: Gunslinger, Drawing of the Three, Waste Lands, Wizard and Glass, Wolves of the Calla, Song of Susannah, the Dark Tower. Randall Flagg also appears in many other SK stories. RF is the main symbol of evil in The Stand--A great novel.

And, thank-you, this thread has convinced me to take on Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell.

[Olga]

Gandalf

[yojharobed || I have no sword. I don't need a sword. Because I am the Doctor and this is my spoon. En garde!]

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[J.D.]

Raistlin Majere is my preference. None of the others battled a god and won only to then self sacrifice to save those he loves from the future he would create.

[Megan]

sorry to be mean...but this is nerd talk! besides...dumbldore duh

[Will]

Megan wrote: "sorry to be mean...but this is nerd talk!"

You say this like it's a bad thing.

[Micaela]

Being a nerd is AWESOME!!!

[Karl]

Undoubtedly Gandalf- the archetypal fantasy wizard- scion of a thousand mages...

[Pratiti]

“Saying 'I notice you're a nerd' is like saying, 'Hey, I notice that you'd rather be intelligent than be stupid, that you'd rather be thoughtful than be vapid, that you believe that there are things that matter more than the arrest record of Lindsay Lohan.”
― John Green

“…because nerds like us are allowed to be unironically enthusiastic about stuff… Nerds are allowed to love stuff, like jump-up-and-down-in-the-chair-can’t-control-yourself love it. Hank, when people call people nerds, mostly what they’re saying is ‘you like stuff.’ Which is just not a good insult at all. Like, ‘you are too enthusiastic about the miracle of human consciousness’.”
-John Green

NERDFIGHTERIA ALL THE WAY

[Daniel]

SAURON! He beats all with his majik, i mean he would crush gandalf, sarumaan, dumbledore, voldemort, harry potter and whoever i've missed single handedly, the only one he couldn't beat would be the bane of the mortal world... Chuck Norris

[Daniel]

Hazel wrote: "wait a minute, what about Sauron? He's a damned good wizard, he takes over large areas of land, he bends mortals to his will, he may be defeated by a puny little hobbit, but he got a good innings i..."
Yeah, plus he was severely disabled when the hobbit beat him.

[Daniel]

There should be a sauron fanclub...

[Micaela]

But a hobbit defeats him. Someone who is shorter than a dwarf.

[Hazel]

Micaela wrote: "But a hobbit defeats him. Someone who is shorter than a dwarf."

hobbits are shown to have massive mental fortitude, which is why they can withstand the effects of the ring in a way that others cannot, which is why Frodo is capable of carrying it for so long. In a way, Sauron is defeated by accident, as Frodo doesn't want to give up the ring in the end, and its the fight between him and gollum that results in the ring falling with gollum into the molten rock.

[Daniel]

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No, Sauron for sure