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Did Rose Get Less Likable Through Out The Series?
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interesting discussion you've got going on here. midnight_kiss basically said everything I would of so no point in repeating it.
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Anyone ever wonder why the Guardians don't simply melt down the silver stakes into bullets? They are always going on about how hard it is to stake a Strigoi because of the rib-cage and stuff. Wouldn't be easier to just use a gun instead? Sorry, bit off topic. Just something else that annoyed me a little as the series went on. :P
Sammy wrote: "Anyone ever wonder why the Guardians don't simply melt down the silver stakes into bullets? They are always going on about how hard it is to stake a Strigoi because of the rib-cage and stuff. Would..."it's not as easy as you may think to melt silver as it would be to melt, say, gold because that started as a liquid
Sammy wrote: "Anyone ever wonder why the Guardians don't simply melt down the silver stakes into bullets? They are always going on about how hard it is to stake a Strigoi because of the rib-cage and stuff. Would..."
Strigio move way to fast to make shooting them effective. Unless, I suppose if they had snipers, but even that's risky, and if they miss there virtually no chance of them hitting the target a second time. Hand-to-hand combat gives the guardians more control over what happens.
Strigio move way to fast to make shooting them effective. Unless, I suppose if they had snipers, but even that's risky, and if they miss there virtually no chance of them hitting the target a second time. Hand-to-hand combat gives the guardians more control over what happens.
Heaven wrote: "Sammy wrote: "Anyone ever wonder why the Guardians don't simply melt down the silver stakes into bullets? They are always going on about how hard it is to stake a Strigoi because of the rib-cage an..."it wouldn't matter if they had snipers (trained or otherwise) or not because if they did miss, the strigoi are probably going to kill them in a matter of seconds because the guardian probably wouldn't be very good at hand-to-hand combat because they have spent years trying to learn how to use a gun instead of fighting.. and in the words of Rose "guns are cheating!!"
Bullets move at 2000 feet per second. Bit faster than a vampire I think.I;m not saying that a back up weapon isn't a bad idea but look at the Matrix. The Agents could dodge bullets but when Neo unloaded the minigun they all got splattered.
Vampires are fast, bullets are faster.
Sammy wrote: "Bullets move at 2000 feet per second. Bit faster than a vampire I think."Thats true. but are strigoi faster, slower or the same as superman because he's faster than a bullet?
Heaven wrote: "When I first started reading this series I absolutely adored it. I loved Rose's independence and unmoving loyalty to her friends, especially Lisa. But, as the series got into the last few books, I ..."Yes I agree. I am sick of love triangles. If you really love someone, then you should really love them. If you lose them, you at least take a decent amount of time off before you go playing with someone else's affection. And if you are determined to cure your true love of his Strigoi-ness, you don't keep another guy on standby just in case. Jumping straight into a relationship with Adrian made Rose a weak-ass and destroyed all the integrity points she had earned up until then. True love is a bit of a myth in real life; we need our favourite authors to carry the flag so we can at least experience it vicariously. Mead dropped the ball.
Of course Adrian will forgive Rose once he gets it on with Sydney, he'll conveniently realise Rose was right about what he needed and the four of them will all be good friends. We'll forget about Rose's lack of honour and integrity because it will all be overshadowed by the happy ending.
I also missed the classic Rose-isms in the later books. They were still there but they didn't come as thick and fast.
Sammy wrote: "Bullets move at 2000 feet per second. Bit faster than a vampire I think.
I;m not saying that a back up weapon isn't a bad idea but look at the Matrix. The Agents could dodge bullets but when Neo..."
In theory that would work, but it takes time to aim and shoot the gun, plus it isn't as hard as you think to dodge bullets (Though, I wouldn't recommend trying). I've been shooting for about 2 years now and one thing I learned (besides that if you you don't brace yourself the gun will either smack you in face or knock you on your butt) is that bullets don't change direction. You need to anticipate your targets next move and if you're wrong, you miss. Now, imagine if your target had human intelligence and inhuman speed? Oh, and the only way to inflict serious damage is by hitting them directly in the heart? Hand-to-hand combat is much more effective.
I;m not saying that a back up weapon isn't a bad idea but look at the Matrix. The Agents could dodge bullets but when Neo..."
In theory that would work, but it takes time to aim and shoot the gun, plus it isn't as hard as you think to dodge bullets (Though, I wouldn't recommend trying). I've been shooting for about 2 years now and one thing I learned (besides that if you you don't brace yourself the gun will either smack you in face or knock you on your butt) is that bullets don't change direction. You need to anticipate your targets next move and if you're wrong, you miss. Now, imagine if your target had human intelligence and inhuman speed? Oh, and the only way to inflict serious damage is by hitting them directly in the heart? Hand-to-hand combat is much more effective.
Paulette wrote: "Heaven wrote: "When I first started reading this series I absolutely adored it. I loved Rose's independence and unmoving loyalty to her friends, especially Lisa. But, as the series got into the las..."
I couldn't agree more. I really love what you said about true-love being a bit of a myth. I love romance in books, but in real life I'm pretty cynical about that crap. And you're probably right, everyone will forgive Rose and Dimitri and they'll all live happily ever after (Blah, Blah, Blah).
I couldn't agree more. I really love what you said about true-love being a bit of a myth. I love romance in books, but in real life I'm pretty cynical about that crap. And you're probably right, everyone will forgive Rose and Dimitri and they'll all live happily ever after (Blah, Blah, Blah).
Heaven wrote: "Sammy wrote: "Bullets move at 2000 feet per second. Bit faster than a vampire I think.I;m not saying that a back up weapon isn't a bad idea but look at the Matrix. The Agents could dodge bullets ..."
I spos. I've just seen sooooo many vampire movies/tv shows where bullets hurt vampires but don't kill them. Unless u count Blade who manages to gun down dozens of vampires when he's not slicing them up with his sword...ohh, there's another suggestion. Why not use swords instead of stakes?
Or a jackhammer/stake like George Clooney in Dusk Till Dawn. :P
Sammy wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Sammy wrote: "Bullets move at 2000 feet per second. Bit faster than a vampire I think.I;m not saying that a back up weapon isn't a bad idea but look at the Matrix. The Agents cou..."
haha yeah I agree with the sword thing because they are silver and they can charm them, but they are a bit big to carry around everywhere!!
So the main reason people hate Rose, is not her being a hypocrite but rather her breaking Poor Adrian's heart. :(
I think it would have been worst if she had stayed with him. He knew she loved Dimitri, he said it himself, end of story.
Astoria wrote: "So the main reason people hate Rose, is not her being a hypocrite but rather her breaking Poor Adrian's heart. :(
I think it would have been worst if she had stayed with him. He knew she loved Di..."
I didn't like Rose becausethe whole time she was saying 'they come first', she was actually only intrested in what she wanted. I hated the way she used people for her own gains.
i love rose...she is mentally strong and kicks ass
Danielle wrote: "i love rose...she is mentally strong and kicks ass"Agreed!! xD
Sammy wrote: I didn't like Rose becausethe whole time she was saying 'they come first', she was actually only intrested in what she wanted. I hated the way she used people for her own gains."I would rather have a female character that can kick butt and be selfish, than a clumsy girl who can't decide between 2 boys, and loves one but can't let go of the other.
Rose did that tho. She was in love with Dimitri but strung Adrian along the whole time.
Astoria wrote: "Sammy wrote: I didn't like Rose becausethe whole time she was saying 'they come first', she was actually only intrested in what she wanted. I hated the way she used people for her own gains."
I wo..."
I'd rather have one that didn't used everyone who cared about her.
I wo..."
I'd rather have one that didn't used everyone who cared about her.
Emily wrote: "I used to like her b4 she broke Adrian's heart. POOR ADRIAN! I know that spirit was affecting her but she didn't really care about him ever!"I know!! i still haven't recover form the heartbreak
i dont think rose ever got less likable Adrian knew that she loved Dimitri he knew she was going to look for him. he made gis choice to help her when he knew everything! i mean she made some bad choices but who doesn't?
Heaven wrote: "Astoria wrote: "Sammy wrote: I didn't like Rose becausethe whole time she was saying 'they come first', she was actually only intrested in what she wanted. I hated the way she used people for her o..."Adrian knew she loved Dimitri, he knew all along and chose to ignore it.
And Rose was willing to kill Dimitri to save Lissa.
Heaven wrote: "When I first started reading this series I absolutely adored it. I loved Rose's independence and unmoving loyalty to her friends, especially Lisa. But, as the series got into the last few books, I ..."when you love someone like rose loves demitri you do anything for them at the expense of anyone so ya she was being selfish but i understand why she did what she did
Yvette wrote: "Heaven wrote: "When I first started reading this series I absolutely adored it. I loved Rose's independence and unmoving loyalty to her friends, especially Lisa. But, as the series got into the las..."
That's not an excuse to throw everyone who she supposedly "loves" under the bus.
Rose used Adrian, Put Lisa in unnecessary danger, almost got Sydney sent to a re-education center, and almost ruined Eddie's future, all so she could have her happily ever after.
Astoria wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Astoria wrote: "Sammy wrote: I didn't like Rose becausethe whole time she was saying 'they come first', she was actually only intrested in what she wanted. I hated the way she used p..."
So, it's his fault for falling in love with her?
Yeah, she was "willing" to kill Dimitri a lot of times, but she never actually did.
That's not an excuse to throw everyone who she supposedly "loves" under the bus.
Rose used Adrian, Put Lisa in unnecessary danger, almost got Sydney sent to a re-education center, and almost ruined Eddie's future, all so she could have her happily ever after.
Astoria wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Astoria wrote: "Sammy wrote: I didn't like Rose becausethe whole time she was saying 'they come first', she was actually only intrested in what she wanted. I hated the way she used p..."
So, it's his fault for falling in love with her?
Yeah, she was "willing" to kill Dimitri a lot of times, but she never actually did.
I wonder if Dimitri actually apologised to Adrian for screwing him over? I hope we find out in TGL.
Heaven wrote: "Yvette wrote: "Heaven wrote: "When I first started reading this series I absolutely adored it. I loved Rose's independence and unmoving loyalty to her friends, especially Lisa. But, as the series g..."
Perfect comment.
Perfect comment.
Sammy wrote: "I wonder if Dimitri actually apologised to Adrian for screwing him over? I hope we find out in TGL."
It'll probably be a Rose-like apology where he'll say sorry and insult him in the same sentence.
It'll probably be a Rose-like apology where he'll say sorry and insult him in the same sentence.
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sammy wrote: "I wonder if Dimitri actually apologised to Adrian for screwing him over? I hope we find out in TGL."It'll probably be a Rose-like apology where he'll say sorry and insult him in the..."
Lol. I doubt it. Dimitri has survivors guilt already. I'm guessing Dimitri will try to be all noble and give Adrian a zen life lesson about the power of true love and then Adrian will either go off on one of his sprit/crazy rants or say something sarcastic that will make Dimitri sound like a moron.
Sammy wrote: "I wonder if Dimitri actually apologised to Adrian for screwing him over? I hope we find out in TGL."
No, he hasn't, not yet at least. I'm hoping that he will in TGL but, I kind of doubt it.
No, he hasn't, not yet at least. I'm hoping that he will in TGL but, I kind of doubt it.
Sammy wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sammy wrote: "I wonder if Dimitri actually apologised to Adrian for screwing him over? I hope we find out in TGL."It'll probably be a Rose-like apology where he'll say sorry..."
Adrian would probably something like: "This was the last thing I expected. You destroy my life and then feed me some inspirational philosophy."
-Adrian to Rose in The Last Sacrifice
You can't really 'feed inspirational philosophy' when you're talking out of your ass. :P
lol "the power of true love." And then he'll try to shake his hand or something I bet like he's actually a stand up guy. Don't make me laugh.
Darlene =) wrote: "Sammy wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sammy wrote: "I wonder if Dimitri actually apologised to Adrian for screwing him over? I hope we find out in TGL."It'll probably be a Rose-like apology where h..."
instead of him just finishing with "inspirational philosophy" it would probably be "inspirational philosophy crap"
Rose is an amazing fighter but that's all she is. Take that away and she's nothing. She's not a strategist, anaylist or investigator. Apart from being sarcastic and lying, she doesn't actually have any other skills.If you take Spirit away from Lissa, she's still a smart girl that can inspire people like she did if Frostbite while she was on her meds and take Sydney's magical abilities away and she's still a genius and an Alchemist.
Rose is just a fighter and doesn't have nearly enough wisdom to lecture people about being victims.
No. if anything, she got more likable ;)
I agree. At the beginning Rose was like "I'm hot. I'm awesome." Then she matures and goes on some pretty epic journeys.
I without a doubt loved Rose from VA to LS. One of the reasons is because she did actually make better choices towards the end of the series. I admit, she definitely could have handled the whole Adrian and Dimitri situation better, but we have to remember she's a young adult.I love her development, both as a fighter and as well-rounded individual. We can already see from Bloodlines, when she briefly appears that she's been honing her self control. She's definitely not the best, but considering where she was in VA, it's pretty damn good.
Yeah, I'm with Rose, all the way XD
heck no! lol i love her
I am soooo glad the spin-off doesn't include Rose. It's bad enough that it included Dimitry. Why can't RM leave her amazing side characters alone?Why push crappy characters like Rose and Dimitry into such a good series.
I love Rose since the first book. And I always will,. She's so amazing. But I agree, maybe she shouldn't have done what she did to Adrian, but still, he was her way of trying to rebound back from Dimitri. She had thought Dimitri didn't love her anymore. And then Dimitri reveals he still loves her. How do you think she felt when he told her that?
Linette wrote: "I love Rose since the first book. And I always will,. She's so amazing. But I agree, maybe she shouldn't have done what she did to Adrian, but still, he was her way of trying to rebound back from D..."Well, she actually told us that and then went on to screw every body over.
Zero excuse for that. If f****** you're friends over is how you win, then I don't wanna win.
I loved rose when she was with dimitri, but when he went out of her life because he turned strogoi i though rose went a bit out of control and she annoyed be a bit cause she was doing things irresponsibly when she knew she shouldnt but as soon as dimitri was back i loved her again cause i loved the feelings she had for him, it was true love, so cute, though i did feel very sorry for adrian cause he was so sweet and she cheated on him, some would say it was alright because it was with someone she loved but like she and dimitri said, it wasnt honorable and thats what they had been trained to be, honourable.
Rose doesn't know what honour and respect are.
She's 16. Mature wouldn't be the first word I would describe her as
Julianna wrote: "She's 16. Mature wouldn't be the first word I would describe her as"Technically, she's 18.
I love Rose! Why is everyone hating on her? :(
Because she screwed half her friends over for her own personal gain and left them hanging to sort out the trouble she git them into in the first place?I don't hate Rose, I like. Just have trouble with her decissions and actions and her cluelessness when her friends end up in trouble for her and have to deal with that on their own...
Has anyone noticed that Lissa and Rose seem to be the only ones that have birthdays in VA. Eddie, Jill, Dimitri, Adrian and everyone else seem to be stuck in time.
S.L.J. wrote: "Has anyone noticed that Lissa and Rose seem to be the only ones that have birthdays in VA. Eddie, Jill, Dimitri, Adrian and everyone else seem to be stuck in time."in the original chapter of Bloodlines Adrian was having his birthday, if thats any consolation?
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