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Did Rose Get Less Likable Through Out The Series?
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had to have a set doen to uinderstand what life islike he can't just expect everything to be handed for hi..."she did cheat yes and that was wrong but she never blamed Adrian for it she didn't even make exuses for herself she told him the exact truth about how she felt about him and a part of her really did love him but they weren't really for each other even Adrian I think he fancies himself in love with her but he doesn't he admires her , her character, her independence something he thrives to achieve but hasn't done yet he admires her goals in life but he doesn't love her it's obvious in how he acts and as they say love is self-less Dimitri was ready to leave her for Adrian if she really loved him if he made her happy but Adrian got mad and turned bitter and he really needs to see more of the world to build his character Abe was right when he sent him to Calfornia and he's even gaining more independence now with his new apartment in bloodlines now he can really depend on himself
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had to have a set doen to uinderstand what life islike he can't just expect everything to be handed for hi..."thank you and totally agree with you on She cared about Adrian but she was never in love with him. part of her even wanted to love him but you can't just force love as you can't really till it to stop when you break up or say for example your boyfriend turns strigoi
May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had to have a set doen to uinderstand what life islike he can't just expect everythi..."
She said Adrian was playing the victim because he was mad. He had every right to be.
She said Adrian was playing the victim because he was mad. He had every right to be.
I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe "They come first" no matter what her whole life. And she believed it... to the point that it was hurting her mentally and physically. So, while I might not agree with everything she did, I dont blame her for it. I think everyone forgets she is only 17-18 years old in this book. She is still young and immature as any 18 year old would be. I also think, what person who lived their whole life for someone else, would not be selfish when given the chance to make themselves happy for once.
As for the guilt, I think she felt it, but in her profession, stuff like that only gets in the way so there isn;t time to dwell on it. Mason was closest to her of the people who were lost so, naturally, his death would weigh on her the most.
I dont think she should have led Adrian on and used him for his money, but I dont blame her for dumping him, I do think she really tried to be happy with him, and I think she would have been if Dimitri had not come backl. But even though she did love Adrian, she loved Dimitri more. And you cant just settle on the one you maybe could be happy with, when you know you can have the one who would really make you happy. Kind of a convoluted sentence but hopefully it makes sense lol
But even through her flaws, she still remained intensely loyal to those she loved and I think she was a fantastic, strong lead. And I loved that once she het her mind to something she never gave up!
May wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had to have a set doen to uinderstand what life islike he can't just expect everything to..."Ur very welcome. She definitely did try to make it work with Adrian. But love definitely can't be forced. Rose had reasons for the decisions she made.
Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe "They come first" no matter what her whole life. And she believed it... to the point that it was hurting her mentally and physical..."Very well said. And that's one thing that I love about Rose. She never gave up. She'd never been able to want anything just for herself yet once she figured out what she wanted, she fought hard for it no matter what people said or what they thought. she still continued to be strong and loyal throughout everything.
Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe "They come first" no matter what her whole life. And she believed it... to the point that it was hurting her mentally and physical..."
I think my biggest issue is that I tend to not like main characters that do not progress or mature as a person. Rose tends to get worse as the books go on. I loved her in the first novel, but by Blood Promise I was getting seriously annoyed at her lack of growth. As for being a guardian, she has a choice. Her and Dimitri could run off and have kids and live thier own life if they wanted to (it's not like it's slavery), so to me it's a weak excuse. I'm not arguing that Dimitri and Rose were in love nor do I ship Rose with Adrian (despite liking him better than Dimitri). I am, however, holding Rose accountable for her actions and the excuses given don't seem to hold up in my opinion. If she's old enough to have an intimate and serious relationship with a 25 year old man and be entrusted with other people's lives, she should be mature enough to admit when she's wrong, give a sincere apology, and take other peoples's feelings into consideration.
I think my biggest issue is that I tend to not like main characters that do not progress or mature as a person. Rose tends to get worse as the books go on. I loved her in the first novel, but by Blood Promise I was getting seriously annoyed at her lack of growth. As for being a guardian, she has a choice. Her and Dimitri could run off and have kids and live thier own life if they wanted to (it's not like it's slavery), so to me it's a weak excuse. I'm not arguing that Dimitri and Rose were in love nor do I ship Rose with Adrian (despite liking him better than Dimitri). I am, however, holding Rose accountable for her actions and the excuses given don't seem to hold up in my opinion. If she's old enough to have an intimate and serious relationship with a 25 year old man and be entrusted with other people's lives, she should be mature enough to admit when she's wrong, give a sincere apology, and take other peoples's feelings into consideration.
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe "They come first" no matter what her whole life. And she believed it... to the point that it was hurting her m..."
Exactly, finally someone who gets it! :)
Exactly, finally someone who gets it! :)
Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe "They come first" no matter what her whole life. And she believed it... to the point tha..."
I'm glad someone agrees lol. I also loved your comment at the beginning of this post.
I'm glad someone agrees lol. I also loved your comment at the beginning of this post.
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe "They come first" no matter what her whole life. And she believed it... t..."
Aw Shucks ;) Haha
Aw Shucks ;) Haha
Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe "They come first" no matter what her whole life. An..."
It's true I agreed with it it all. It's basically why I honestly can't respect her or Dimitri as people, especially since Last Sacrifice.
It's true I agreed with it it all. It's basically why I honestly can't respect her or Dimitri as people, especially since Last Sacrifice.
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe "They come first" no matter what her..."
Me too, plus I really like how you said that it wasn't about whether Rose and Dimitri were in love, or if her and Adrian should get together. That honestly has nothing to do with it. It's about how she treated other's. It just irritated me so much, I mean, with everything that was happening all she ever thought about was what SHE wanted. Even Dimitri, I loved him, up until they slept together in the Last Sacrifice. Everyone talks about how wrong Rose was, but Dimitri was just as guilty. Plus, through out all of the book, he talked about how he would never steal her from Adrian.. Then what did he do?
Honestly, by the end of the series I'm just like: "Congratulations, everything turned out perfect for you; your no longer linked to your best friend, you have your boyfriend, both of your parents are back in your life, your no longer suspected of murder and it only cost everyone else's happiness. You really are your father's daughter." Lol
Me too, plus I really like how you said that it wasn't about whether Rose and Dimitri were in love, or if her and Adrian should get together. That honestly has nothing to do with it. It's about how she treated other's. It just irritated me so much, I mean, with everything that was happening all she ever thought about was what SHE wanted. Even Dimitri, I loved him, up until they slept together in the Last Sacrifice. Everyone talks about how wrong Rose was, but Dimitri was just as guilty. Plus, through out all of the book, he talked about how he would never steal her from Adrian.. Then what did he do?
Honestly, by the end of the series I'm just like: "Congratulations, everything turned out perfect for you; your no longer linked to your best friend, you have your boyfriend, both of your parents are back in your life, your no longer suspected of murder and it only cost everyone else's happiness. You really are your father's daughter." Lol
Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe "They come fir..."
Exactly. I despise Dimitri equally if not more so because he's supposed to be "moral" and a "good guy" but his behavior is seriously the opposite. I found him extremely hypocritcal and in my opinion he abused his authority by having a relationship with his student. He's one of those holier than thou people that preaches about doing the right thing but breaks all of his morals. Despite his hard on for Rose, he shouldn't have slept with her while she was with Adrian. The LEAST he could have done was give Adrian an apology man to man in person.
I felt the same exact way as you did at the end of LS which is why I hated it. It's funny how nice everything worked out for Rose at the expense of every other person. And it took Adrian ranting at her to figure that out and take a step back to think about it? Puhlease.
Exactly. I despise Dimitri equally if not more so because he's supposed to be "moral" and a "good guy" but his behavior is seriously the opposite. I found him extremely hypocritcal and in my opinion he abused his authority by having a relationship with his student. He's one of those holier than thou people that preaches about doing the right thing but breaks all of his morals. Despite his hard on for Rose, he shouldn't have slept with her while she was with Adrian. The LEAST he could have done was give Adrian an apology man to man in person.
I felt the same exact way as you did at the end of LS which is why I hated it. It's funny how nice everything worked out for Rose at the expense of every other person. And it took Adrian ranting at her to figure that out and take a step back to think about it? Puhlease.
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe..."
Totally, that seriously made me want to slap Dimitri. I felt like he was almost hiding behind Rose, he just sort of took a step back and let her take all of the heat for it. I hope he's going to man up in The Golden Lily and at the very least apologize to Adrian.
And as for the Last Sacrifice... Well, it should have been called "Everyone Else's Sacrifice."
Totally, that seriously made me want to slap Dimitri. I felt like he was almost hiding behind Rose, he just sort of took a step back and let her take all of the heat for it. I hope he's going to man up in The Golden Lily and at the very least apologize to Adrian.
And as for the Last Sacrifice... Well, it should have been called "Everyone Else's Sacrifice."
Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She ..."
LOL why don't we call it "What Sacrifice?" Ugh I hope Adrian and Dimitri don't become besties in The Golden Lily but I unfortunately think they are just going to brush everything off "for the greater good" and expect Adrian to play nice.
LOL why don't we call it "What Sacrifice?" Ugh I hope Adrian and Dimitri don't become besties in The Golden Lily but I unfortunately think they are just going to brush everything off "for the greater good" and expect Adrian to play nice.
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less..."
Hahahaha I love that :)
And Unfortunately you're probably right (Wow, that sounded mean lol), but I think/hope that if that does happen that Sydney will end up cussing Dimitri out. Just because, that would very much amuse me. Lol
Hahahaha I love that :)
And Unfortunately you're probably right (Wow, that sounded mean lol), but I think/hope that if that does happen that Sydney will end up cussing Dimitri out. Just because, that would very much amuse me. Lol
Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe "They come fir..."so true!!!
Sassychassy wrote: "I don't think she became less likeable. She was trained to believe "They come first" no matter what her whole life. And she believed it... to the point that it was hurting her mentally and physical..."I agree with all of this:P
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had to have a set doen to uinderstand what life islike he can't just exp..."he had every right to be mad I'm not disagreeing on that but if you remember she did apologize and she did try to talk to him he may have the right to be mad but not pathetic I like Adrian heck I even love him but he's immature and childish in this book he can't just have something because he wants that thing the world is unfair and he has to grow up and see that and rose is a grown up she came back for lissa didn't she,, she came for her friend even though she could have escaped that world and don't tell me that she shouldn't have left in the first place cuz that would make her selfish, coward and disloyal to her promises she needed to do that task to give her full attention to lissa and she couldn't do that without clearing her mind and heart first
May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had to have a set doen to uinderstand what life is..."
The only things he asked of Rose was love and respect, that doesn't make him selfish. He didn't ask Rose not to go find Dimitri, he didn't stop her from going off with him in Last Sacrifice, hell he even paid for it, so I don't get how he's immature and childish. His only mistake in my opinion was trusting her in the first place, which she clearly betrayed. She apologized and then promptly acted like he didn't have the right to be mad, which is bullshit. Don't tell me you wouldn't flip out like he did if your significcant other pulled that crap on you. And my point still stands that if she finds being a guardian so horrible, she can leave. She can't have it both ways (saying she must do it and then bitch the whole time. No one forced her into it.) It's a responsibility that she knew she was getting into, so she should be an adult about it. And with Lissa as queen now, there's probably going to be changes with those laws anyway.
The only things he asked of Rose was love and respect, that doesn't make him selfish. He didn't ask Rose not to go find Dimitri, he didn't stop her from going off with him in Last Sacrifice, hell he even paid for it, so I don't get how he's immature and childish. His only mistake in my opinion was trusting her in the first place, which she clearly betrayed. She apologized and then promptly acted like he didn't have the right to be mad, which is bullshit. Don't tell me you wouldn't flip out like he did if your significcant other pulled that crap on you. And my point still stands that if she finds being a guardian so horrible, she can leave. She can't have it both ways (saying she must do it and then bitch the whole time. No one forced her into it.) It's a responsibility that she knew she was getting into, so she should be an adult about it. And with Lissa as queen now, there's probably going to be changes with those laws anyway.
I'm reminded back to when Buffy broke up with Spike. She said "I'm using you and it's killing us both." or sumthing along those lines. Why could Rose have said the same to Adrian?
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had to have a set doen to uinderstand ..."ok she didn't say she didn't want to be a gaurdian but even gurdains can think about themselves every now and then and Adrain did love her but he was childish about it and I didn't say he's selfish there's a difference beyween selfish, spoiled and a spoiled rat Adrian was spoiled just that and I did stay I agree with Adrian about being mad and also Adrian knew that rose was going to search for dimitri when her gave her the money it's not like she lied about it actually she never lied or downplayed the truth to anyone she always stuck to the truth and she is an adult and responsible I've already said lots of examples in one of my previous comments,, anyways we're going in circles in here,, to each her own I guess,, but I've liked disscussing with you I do love a good heated book disscussion evey once in a while
May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had to have a se..."
Likewise thank you for an interesting discussion. The reason why her taking his money bothered me was because in SK she specifically said she played on his feelings to get it. Yes Adrian was raised with money but he wasn't greedy but actually very giving with it. When I spoke of Rose having to be an adult I was referring to excuses for her behavior due to age. Either she's mature or she's not, you know? And if not her Dimitri should have known better.
Likewise thank you for an interesting discussion. The reason why her taking his money bothered me was because in SK she specifically said she played on his feelings to get it. Yes Adrian was raised with money but he wasn't greedy but actually very giving with it. When I spoke of Rose having to be an adult I was referring to excuses for her behavior due to age. Either she's mature or she's not, you know? And if not her Dimitri should have known better.
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had ..."Adrian is not greedy I never said he was,, you know the thing is you think that I hate Adrian but I really don't anyways I really did like discussing this with you I respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it
May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian ma..."
Yea I just hate when he's called spoiled when he actually was generous but I don't think you hate him we just see him differently.
Yea I just hate when he's called spoiled when he actually was generous but I don't think you hate him we just see him differently.
May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had to have a se..."
I don't understand how he was being childish. You never explained that you just said that he was. I mean if the only girl/guy you've ever truly loved cheated on you, you would be pretty upset. You've said a few times that it's okay for Rose to be selfish and a little immature, but if Adrian is.. Then it's all his fault and he doesn't deserve our sympathy.
As for Rose, I don't think she has the right to be selfish. She's constantly raving about how she needs to be Lissa's guardian and how no one is better for it than her, but she certainly doesn't act like it. Lissa is the Queen, a very controversial Queen, there are a lot of people who would love to see her dead, so, she needs someone who can be there to protect 24/7. Personally, I always thought that Eddie would make the perfect guardian for her. If Rose wants to be a selfish b*itch, then she doesn't deserve to be Lissa's guardian.
As Midnight_Kiss said, Rose has a choice, no one forces guardianship on her. Lissa deserves/needs someone who isn't as flaky as Rose is to protect her.
I don't understand how he was being childish. You never explained that you just said that he was. I mean if the only girl/guy you've ever truly loved cheated on you, you would be pretty upset. You've said a few times that it's okay for Rose to be selfish and a little immature, but if Adrian is.. Then it's all his fault and he doesn't deserve our sympathy.
As for Rose, I don't think she has the right to be selfish. She's constantly raving about how she needs to be Lissa's guardian and how no one is better for it than her, but she certainly doesn't act like it. Lissa is the Queen, a very controversial Queen, there are a lot of people who would love to see her dead, so, she needs someone who can be there to protect 24/7. Personally, I always thought that Eddie would make the perfect guardian for her. If Rose wants to be a selfish b*itch, then she doesn't deserve to be Lissa's guardian.
As Midnight_Kiss said, Rose has a choice, no one forces guardianship on her. Lissa deserves/needs someone who isn't as flaky as Rose is to protect her.
Rose has kinda had the same brain washing that all guardians get from tge cradle but she's a little more independant than most. I mean these guys aren't soldiers, they're bodyguards. Guardians fight battles because they have to.
Soldiers fight wars because they are trained to.
In otherwords, guardians dedicate themselves to another and that is a pretty heavy burden, but they handle it. Rose, unfortunately, is a bit like General Custer. She's arrogant and egotistical. She's soooo confidant in her ablities that she doesn't think she could possibly be wrong esspecially with the way she treats men.
One way or another, she used and abused Adrian. And it had nothing to do with her being a guardian. She chose to hunt down Dimitri, she used Adrian for his money, then she used him for comfort after he rejected her.
Rose isn't a soldier, she's a guardian and guardians can be complete and total morons sometimes.
Sammy wrote: "Rose has kinda had the same brain washing that all guardians get from tge cradle but she's a little more independant than most. I mean these guys aren't soldiers, they're bodyguards.
Guardians ..."
I couldn't agree more. :)
Guardians ..."
I couldn't agree more. :)
Sammy wrote: "Rose has kinda had the same brain washing that all guardians get from tge cradle but she's a little more independant than most. I mean these guys aren't soldiers, they're bodyguards.
Guardians ..."
lol you hit the nail on the head with this comment.
Guardians ..."
lol you hit the nail on the head with this comment.
Heaven wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had ..."
This is exactly why it annoys me when people call Adrian spoiled, selfish, childish etc when he is very generous with his money and trusts Rose not to be an asshole to him.
This is exactly why it annoys me when people call Adrian spoiled, selfish, childish etc when he is very generous with his money and trusts Rose not to be an asshole to him.
Emily wrote: "I used to like her b4 she broke Adrian's heart. POOR ADRIAN! I know that spirit was affecting her but she didn't really care about him ever!"dude read bloodlines, you so wont think that anymore, with what goes on i'm glad Rose didn't pick Adrian.
Taylor wrote: "Emily wrote: "I used to like her b4 she broke Adrian's heart. POOR ADRIAN! I know that spirit was affecting her but she didn't really care about him ever!"dude read bloodlines, you so wont thin..."
Sydney is doing a good job of gluing Adrian back together but Dimitri shows up at the end and smashes it to pieces. RM really seems to enjoy torturing Adrain. The guy just can't get a break.
I think that the whole point of what Rose did was that she was willing to do anything for love. Though at times it made her unlikeable or even selfish, she always did what she had to. Plus, no one reading this series can truely grasp what she went thru and the things she had to give up throughout. I liked her in every book because she was always Rose. I may not have agreed or liked what she did to achieve something, but I understood that to her, it was the only thing, even though it wasn't the right thing, to do.
Sammy wrote: "Taylor wrote: "Emily wrote: "I used to like her b4 she broke Adrian's heart. POOR ADRIAN! I know that spirit was affecting her but she didn't really care about him ever!"
dude read bloodlines, y..."
ugh Dimitri showing up made me so mad. Him and Rose got their Happily Ever After, now let Adrian move on.
dude read bloodlines, y..."
ugh Dimitri showing up made me so mad. Him and Rose got their Happily Ever After, now let Adrian move on.
Allison wrote: "I think that the whole point of what Rose did was that she was willing to do anything for love. Though at times it made her unlikeable or even selfish, she always did what she had to. Plus, no on..."
There is no excuse for betraying someone that trusted you and deliberately using them for your own gain, and that includes "love."
There is no excuse for betraying someone that trusted you and deliberately using them for your own gain, and that includes "love."
What did Angelina Jolie say in Mr. and Mrs. Smith? "Happy endings are just stories that haven't finished yet." I happen to agree, espcially with VA and Bloodlines. It's all drama, drama, drama for those guys.
Heaven wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cruel but he had ..."first of all If you read my comments you would know that I didn't mind Adrian being mad he WAS supposed to be mad he wouldn't love her if he wasn't and rose was never selfish or immature again I explained that in one of my comments as why I think Adrian is acting immaturely and childish: well again he is spoiled, although he is generous in his giving he's giving rose money in the hopes that she'd love him that way, he drinks and smokes all the time instead of staying sober and facing spirit like a man and mostly he does all these things to affirm his reputation about being helpless instead of facing it off and fighting it remember when Sydney told him I trust you in bloodlines he did what she told him so he's capable of good but not all people will be like sydney and believe in him he has to believe in himself as well
and as I said before Rose never even hinted that she didn't want to be a gurdian she bowed out in blood promise because she knew she couldn't be a good gurdian physically if mentally and emotionally she wasn't there for lissa it takes courage to do waht rose did and trust me she has plenty anyways everything you asked for I already talked about it with midnight_kiss I'm not willing to repeat myself if you don't want to like don't I never told you to do it and pleasa try to restrain yourself from using cusses
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Heaven wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cr..."he is not selfish and I never said he was
anyways I'm out of here I said what I have and I'll always love rose she's brave selfless and independent and the fact that you're unwilling to acknowledge that she really did love Adrian is non of my busniessfarewell,, wish you the best with your future readings
May wrote: "Heaven wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cr..."
Spirit is something that causes insanity. If it was something he could just "faced like man" it wouldn't have caused Lissa to be suicidal and cut herself and Sonya Karp to deliberately become Strigoi. Hell there is a whole mental ward at Tarasov for it so it's not something one can just face or get over without help. The fact that so many people act like mental illness is something you can just brush off in this fandom really frusrates me because of my own struggles in the past. Are smoking and drinking ideal ways to deal with it? No, of course not, but that's a flaw of his and he's legally of age to do it. He's a good person who has bad habits, but honestly smoking and drinking aren't as bad as the things Rose and Dimitri have done. He at least acknowledges his flaws and takes responsbility for his shortcomings. To me, that's much more realistic and mature than someone like Dimitri who preaches all about being a good person and then does shady stuff like sleeping with someone else's girl (and I won't get into how he treated Rose in the books.) I didn't say you called Adrian selfish just that it annoys me when people do and growing up with money doesn't equal spoiled.
Spirit is something that causes insanity. If it was something he could just "faced like man" it wouldn't have caused Lissa to be suicidal and cut herself and Sonya Karp to deliberately become Strigoi. Hell there is a whole mental ward at Tarasov for it so it's not something one can just face or get over without help. The fact that so many people act like mental illness is something you can just brush off in this fandom really frusrates me because of my own struggles in the past. Are smoking and drinking ideal ways to deal with it? No, of course not, but that's a flaw of his and he's legally of age to do it. He's a good person who has bad habits, but honestly smoking and drinking aren't as bad as the things Rose and Dimitri have done. He at least acknowledges his flaws and takes responsbility for his shortcomings. To me, that's much more realistic and mature than someone like Dimitri who preaches all about being a good person and then does shady stuff like sleeping with someone else's girl (and I won't get into how he treated Rose in the books.) I didn't say you called Adrian selfish just that it annoys me when people do and growing up with money doesn't equal spoiled.
He's completely broke in Bloodlines, his mother is in prison, his dad's practically disowned him, he brought Jill back from the dead, he's in agony because of what Rose did to him and yet, some how he is holding on and trying to pull himself together. That makes him pretty awesome in my book.
May wrote: "Heaven wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cr..."
Adrian is one of the only Spirit users in the book who hasn't done something drastic. I'm not going to get into Adrian any more than that because I'll be basically repeating what Midnight_Kiss and Sammy just said.
I wasn't really directing what I said about Rose at you. I never said that she didn't want to be a guardian, I said her actions proved her to be unfit in protecting Lissa. Lissa needs someone who can be there 24/7 and Rose can't (as I've already said).
And I'm sorry for cussing, I don't do it often, but I couldn't think of another word to describe her.
Adrian is one of the only Spirit users in the book who hasn't done something drastic. I'm not going to get into Adrian any more than that because I'll be basically repeating what Midnight_Kiss and Sammy just said.
I wasn't really directing what I said about Rose at you. I never said that she didn't want to be a guardian, I said her actions proved her to be unfit in protecting Lissa. Lissa needs someone who can be there 24/7 and Rose can't (as I've already said).
And I'm sorry for cussing, I don't do it often, but I couldn't think of another word to describe her.
Veronica wrote: "I always liked her. She was being realistic and brave battling Strigoi for the sake of keeping Moroi safe and happy. Most of us feel rose was unfair to Adrian but i think Adrian deserved it. If he ..."Agree
I liked rose from the first book to the last she was the best character from the books that i have read...Roza is not less likeable she got more and more amazing as the story contuined :)
May wrote: "Heaven wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "May wrote: "what rose did for Adrian may be cr..."I definitely agree with you that he is immature and spoiled in Vampire Academy. He thought that he can get whatever he wants with money because that's how it's always been. In addition, he had no drive or motivation in life and was set to just live off of his families money and drink and smoke his life away.
He was generous because he cared about Rose but also because he thought he would get something in return.
Jordin wrote: "I liked rose from the first book to the last she was the best character from the books that i have read...Roza is not less likeable she got more and more amazing as the story contuined :)"I completely agree with you Jordin! =)
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Sammy wrote: "Taylor wrote: "Emily wrote: "I used to like her b4 she broke Adrian's heart. POOR ADRIAN! I know that spirit was affecting her but she didn't really care about him ever!"dude read..."
I know right! talk about how much drama is going to go down next book! And it's worse cause he was just getting better :(
hell to the no. Rose deserved to finally act a little selfish. All she ever did was look out for Lissa, and Lissa barely even noticed. It takes Lissa like three whole books to realize what was going on with Rose and Dimitri. What kind of best friend doesn't notice something like that? The whole Adrian thing is sort of true, but the only really bad thing she did was take the money, otherwise she was pretty straight forward with him most of the time. I haven't read the last book yet though, so I might change my mind about this one.
Oh and Rose is a total bad ass so I will always love her
Juliet wrote: "hell to the no. Rose deserved to finally act a little selfish. All she ever did was look out for Lissa, and Lissa barely even noticed. It takes Lissa like three whole books to realize what was goin..."Exactly... I thought about that too. I would have known that something was up with my best friend... I couldn't believe that Lissa didn't even guess once.
The money thing was a two way street. Adrian shouldn't have given it to her. He gave it to her knowing that she didn't like him in a romantic way really, she's in love with someone else, she may not come back, but if she does I might stand a chance even though her ex is pretty much dead. Not the best decision on his part. And getting with her when she was so vulnerable too. She'd pretty much just gotten back from killing the love of her life, and he still wants a date?
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Rose didn't think of anyone else until Adrian pointed it out to her in LS. She wasn't even sorry about cheating bc she blamed Adrian.