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Maybe instead of actually being killed in a car accident they traveled somehow like Rogers father did. Did they ever mention Claire seeing them at the funeral?
I can't remember if they mention the funeral, but I do think Claire had a picture of her Mother.
I remember no mention of a funeral. This is intriguing discussion. I just read A Leaf in the Wind of All hallows in Songs of Love and Death. I now believe anything is possible!
The car crash comment made me think of the line Hagrid has in the beginning of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone: "A car crash? Kill Lilly and James Potter?!" That's quite an interesting idea, Sue. It would make more sense. It's quite plausible that they just disappeared like Roger's da did in his plane. No trace found of them...
I just got chills.
And she did have a photo of her mom (and maybe her dad) in the box she had of memories. She left it for Bree when she went back.....
It is so fun to guess, but the way Diana's mind works it could be way off!! She is quite the author. But it keeps us busy while we wait.
Sue wrote: "I don't think we see Claire's memories as much because she can't say too much in front of anyone but Jamie. And as far as her parents, I always kind of wondered if they were TT from the past. Came ..."well, yes. But most of Jamie's memories are told in private, too. I just wanted some snippets to enable me to identify with her more.
@Wendy, yes I now remember it was mentioned, they met through Uncle Lamb. I only gave an example.
I guess, it is possible her parents time-traveled, but I think it's unlikely they BOTH carried the gene. It can happen, but I didn't get the impression all that many people can travel. And it might be too much, if they traveled too.While it's an intriguing possibility I would prefer that part to remain non-magical.
Well Roger and Bree both carry it, so could happen. Just fun trying to guess.
Sue wrote: "Well Roger and Bree both carry it, so could happen. Just fun trying to guess."Yes it is:).
Not sure what your getting at Dee. My point that Claire's parents both having the genes would be like Jem and Mandy's parents have the genes. Of course this is only a speculation. It's just that Claire is such a mystery.
i'm trying to point out that genetics is hugely at play in this - but that we don't know if its a recessive trait (needs 2 parents to carry) or dominant (only need 1) - because of the point I made in msg 562
She has said she doesn't think so, but when she knows, we will know.
Well we know Bree only has one parent that can travel.Carol are you taking about Diana?
but we don't know if Frank could or couldn't, he was never with Claire when she did...
I was going to say that too, lol. And maybe i'm lost in the coversation. But you don't necessarily have to have 2 parents who can travel. I mean, we don't know about CLaire's parents, but we know that Bree only had one parent that could.
I figured the "gene" came from Master Raymond, whom we meet in DIA. After all, on DG's site, she says (view spoiler)... And we know that DG plans to write more about Raymond some day.
You're probably right about that Lori, I forgot that they were said to be ancestors of Raymond.
Dee Frank doesn't matter because he's not Bree's father.
He's not Bree's biological father, lol. But, yes, you're right. Still it's funny because he was the first I thought of too.
We'll have our heads so jumbled up, we won't be able to sleep!! lol
duh...lol! dissertation brain
With all this discussion regarding Claire, Laoghaire, Master Raymond, Fergus, - can you imaging what the "family tree" would look like?!
No. I have just been thinking I'd love to do a genogram on them, but I don't have a table big enough to lay it out.
Don't forget Bree and Roger are related too! Dougal is Bree's Great Uncle and Roger's GGGG...Grandfather.
so we know Briana can, but we don't know if Jamie can, so I guess that could answer the genetic question - if he has the ability or not...that would let us know if its a dominant or recessive gene needed
Jamie can't. That we do know. Remember he can't hear the stones. Plus Diana said Jamie will not be a TT.
Yep, they found that out when he took her to the stones. They tried to take her but he slammed his hand on them and walked through them.
He does have a sixth sense and so do his Grandchildren.
The thing about both of Claire's parents being TTs...I meant it like-we know one of them carried the gene, for sure, but since they were both in an accident together, then they both had to have carried the gene and while it was possible, but since I got the impression TTs are rare, I thought it was unlikely. Who knows, though...I have absolute faith in DG not to disappoint us and surprise us, too!
or maybe the accident was just that, an accident...lol...have to admit this quesetion did spark a whole new line of thinking
I believe they were in a car accident. And if they were from the 18th century they would of been living as if they were from the 20th century. Remember this is just guessing, but speculation is one of the best parts of this series.
We know for sure that (view spoiler)I'm not sure if I want Claires parents to be from the past. There is so much going on in these books, that's another element that might just confuse me. haha!
I remember two different things regarding this car accident of Claire's parents. The first one I do not remember in which book this was in (view spoiler)The second reference to this car accident was in Fiery Cross, when (view spoiler)
interesting lotte, I don't remember all that...lol! I did just finish listening to a tess gerritsen book yesterday though, and in it there was a massacre and bodies burned, and I learnt that it is actually really hard for bones to be turned to ashes - a typical fire doesn't get the heat required, so I wonder if a car accident would
The childhood story of Jamie which touched me most was in one of the later books and regards his mother's death: (view spoiler) That definitely left me in tears.
Dee, I believe you are correct. To cremate thoroughly, a VERY high heat is required. The National Funeral Directors Association (thank you Google) says 1400-1800 degrees. Whether or not that could happen in a car crash or how completely.In relation to all the TT going on....funny isn't, that TT wasn't DG's original intent. It just kind of happened.
i remember reading that about outlander as well...how originally it was supposed to just be a historical fiction, but as she was writing claire, she basically realized that too many 20th century ideals in here, so she factors in the TT
Lotte wrote: "The childhood story of Jamie which touched me most was in one of the later books and regards his mother's death: [spoilers removed] That definitely left me in tears."Lotte, that is a great one. I completely forgot about that one. Good one! And thanks for marking it as a spoiler, because comes later.
Dee wrote: "i remember reading that about outlander as well...how originally it was supposed to just be a historical fiction, but as she was writing claire, she basically realized that too many 20th century id..."I read that too, and I think it shows her brilliance. So many authors write historical women or men with modern views and it just rings so false. Diana was able to recognize that and used a sense of paranormal to make Claire's reactions feel more realistic... if that makes sense.
In regards to the burnt to ashes comment about Clair's parents, didn't Geillis write that many people attempting to travel end up burnt bodies? I'm not saying that this is the direction things are going but it is interesting to contemplate.
Was there something said in the book about Claire's parents bodies only being ashes? I can't remember.
@ Dee and Carol, you are absolutely correct about the extremely high temperatures being needed for "proper" cremation. When you think of the remains of BC cremations ... It means one always should check before writing something and not rely on ones memory. I correctly remembered the gist, though not the correct wording: In Voyager, chapter 53, The Frenchman's Gold, (view spoiler)
Good points everyone! I am enjoying reading this thread. Gives my brain a workout, which I think is just as important as the body working out!
Let's talk ending, What did you think about Jamie's sacrifice? The first time you read it, did you expect Diana to go through with it? And what did you think about Claire's actions afterwords?
Sara wrote: "As for Clair's childhood and past, the story isn't finished."That could make an interesting spinoff series! I don't remember Claire mentioning much about her family other than her parents died in an accident together and she lived with her Uncle Lamb.
Diana has left the door wide open for another book or even spinoff series. Maybe that will be part of the Raymond series. It would make sense since Diana has said that Claire is a descendent of Raymond's.
I thought is was in keeping with his gallantry, his moral fiber and his love for Claire. He had no reason to think HE would survive, in any case. Why not barter release for Claire. I did NOT expect Diana to go through with it...of course that was before I "knew" her better..... I thought Claire was, hmmm, crazy to try; but after all, she had given up EVERYTHING to be with Jamie and so, in for a penny, in for a pound.
I never thought she would go through with it either. Usually every book I had read prior got thisclose but people were already saved in the nick of time. I was shocked.I thought both of them were very brave. Jamie risked a lot to save Claire. He knew what BJ would do and he didn't hesitate, but you are right it is in keeping with who he was. He would always sacrifice himself for Claire.
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I always wondered how Claire could go through the stones? If it's done through "blood lines", then where did hers come from? Maybe her parents were from the 18th century and maybe Uncle "Lamb" wasn't really her uncle. Makes one go Hmmmmmmm.....