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Piper or Reyna ? Who should Jason choose?

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♫♡вℓυє cσηνєяѕє♡♫™ Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "It's confirmed!!! :D Yes! Jasper is now OFFICIAL!"

Well, no. It's not. Yes, Annabeth said that Jason was Piper's boyfriend but it was from HER POV. She could be just s..."


Well, for one, it isn't in Annabeth's personality to make generalizations. She always tries to state exactly the truth. For another, RR isn't someone to break up couples. I've never seen him break up couples. Maybe separate them, but not break up.


Randomness GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Piper is just sooooooooooo,idk, ANNOYING she's not even nice- better than drew,yeah-but who isn't?


the fire burns inside me ♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Emma wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "It's confirmed!!! :D Yes! Jasper is now OFFICIAL!" Huh? Official? Since when?"

If you go to youtube and search 'Rick Riordan; Mark of Athena,' the second ..."
Oh!


Randomness I know she's supposed to be this amazing kid of aprodite- but i don't see it


Randomness wait, on the other hand ,Reyna deserves better than jason so... yay jasper:>


♫♡вℓυє cσηνєяѕє♡♫™ Randomness wrote: "I know she's supposed to be this amazing kid of aprodite- but i don't see it"

Well, that's your opinion.... but I don't see it in Reyna either. I mean, she likes both Jason and (at the beginning) Percy. I respect the fact that she is the praetor and leader in her camp, but I don't really like her that much.


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♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "It's confirmed!!! :D Yes! Jasper is now OFFICIAL!"

Well, no. It's not. Yes, Annabeth said that Jason was Piper's boyfriend but it was from HER POV. Sh..."


♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Randomness wrote: "I know she's supposed to be this amazing kid of aprodite- but i don't see it"

Well, that's your opinion.... but I don't see it in Reyna either. I mean, she likes both Jason and ..."


She DOES NOT like Percy as anything more than a friend. I have repeated this over and over to everyone. Here it goes:
For the LAST TIME, Reyna DOES not have any feelings for Percy. Octavian was bugging her, Jason was gone, there was about to be an attack, and her camp was falling apart. She NEEDED Percy to be the praetor. She doesn't really have feelings for him. She just put that out there as an extra offer to tempt him more. And it wasn't exactly a, "I like you" thing. It was more, "I can be a friend. Whatever type of friend you want as long as you help me save this camp." THAT is another reason why I admire Reyna. She was ready to give up her love life to save her camp.
And as for Piper never doing what Reyna did, MAYBE that's because she doesn't feel extreme loyalty to her camp. Plus, Reyna would NEVER flirt with Percy. She doesn't have feelings for a random hot and powerful guy who destroyed her previous home. She's not a daughter of VENUS.
-Jen
P.S. I didn't mean to sound cruel and mean. I just don't like it when people automatically assume Reyna has feelings for Percy when the chapter was in PERCY'S POV who knows practically NOTHING about women.


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♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "It's confirmed!!! :D Yes! Jasper is now OFFICIAL!"

Well, no. It's not. Yes, Annabeth said that Jason was Piper's boyfriend but it was from HER POV. Sh..."


Yes, but I'm not going to be convinced that Jasper is official until Rick Riordan himself says it. I'm like Annabeth. I do not make generalizations. So, Jasper is not official. There is a great chance that Rick Riordan will make Jasper happen but there is also a chance, however small it may be, that Rick Riordan will make Jayna happen as well.
-Jennie Spring


Randomness Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "It's confirmed!!! :D Yes! Jasper is now OFFICIAL!"

Well, no. It's not. Yes, Annabeth said that Jason was Piper's boyfrien..."


agreed


message 360: by Nancy (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nancy I agree with Reneered as long as RR says it himself.


♫♡вℓυє cσηνєяѕє♡♫™ Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "It's confirmed!!! :D Yes! Jasper is now OFFICIAL!"

Well, no. It's not. Yes, Annabeth said that Jason was Piper's boyfrien..."


I fully respect your opinion, and I know many people who would say the same thing.


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OMG, okay, so I updated my argument about why Jayna is EPIC!!!! Here I go:


I support Reyna because she is:
- Kick-ass (C'mon, she's the daughter of the goddess of war and can DEFINITELY fight. After all, Percy did see her "flying into battle" when Camp Jupiter was attacked).
- Deathly loyal to her camp (She would do anything to save the camp, even let Percy be praetor).
- Stoic (She tries not to show emotion, even when tortured).
- Not unlike Annabeth (Reyna and Annabeth are both smart, kick-ass, and loyal, although, in my opinion, Annabeth has a worse temper and acts like an Ice Queen sometimes).
- Strong (I mean, she ran Camp Jupiter for pretty much a year while looking for Jason, and fighting off monsters, and fighting off Octavian).
- A leader (You cannot deny that she's worthy of being praetor).
Now, I'm going to justify Reyna's "faults."
You Reyna haters and Jasper/Piper supporters say:
- Reyna is possessive (REYNA is possessive? You're kidding me. Piper totally CLAIMED Jason. If that's not possessive, I don't know what is).
- Reyna is too strict and doesn't have a personality (Yes, maybe that's BECAUSE she's a ROMAN? Where are your heads? If your favorite Greek camper was Roman, they would be strict, too. And, don't say that Jason isn't strict. Trust me, he is. He's just in a Greek environment and reacts differently to his surroundings. Reyna does have a personality. She's just a secondary character and we don't see much of her).
- She "flirted" with Percy (This annoyed me at first, too. But then, I realized that it was BECAUSE SHE WAS DESPERATE! Her camp was about to be attacked by monsters, Gaea was awakening, and Octavian was pressuring her to hold praetor elections! She wasn't actually flirting with him. She just put the offer out there just to make it a little more tempting. NOW THAT'S something to admire. She was willing to give up her happiness and love life to save her camp. You go, girl!)
- Reyna's breaking up Jasper (Uh, no. There is no Jasper. Not yet. So, she's not "breaking up" any couple. Most of you like Piper better because you've seen a lot of her, and she was introduced to you first. So, you think that Reyna is Rachel, and Piper and Jason are Annabeth and Percy. WRONG! It's the other way around).
I have about a million more reasons (exaggerating) that I could tell you. Unfortunately, I need to get onto other topics. Now, time for why I don't like Piper. SHE'S A MARY-SUE. A Mary Sue is a character too perfect to be real. Let's explore why she's a Mary-Sue now…
1. She's gorgeous. Psh…
2. She's a daughter of Aphrodite but isn't shallow.
3. She's a daughter of Aphrodite but can fight.
4. She's one of the seven in the prophecy.
5. She can pretty much control people with her words. (That's a pretty epic power, isn't it?)
6. She overthrew Drew for the leadership of the cabin.
7. She's kind/nice/whatever.
8. She CHARMSPOKE Jason BACK FROM THE DEAD! C'mon, people! Even HERA couldn't do that. My Mary-Sue bells are ringing. Although, maybe Thanatos was chained then, but still, that's a powerful thing to do.
9. She's popular and has an amazing best friend. (Leo).
10. Apparently, her mom is the daughter of Uranus so that makes her mom's symbol (love) more powerful, and therefore, making Piper more powerful.

The only reason she's not a complete Mary-Sue yet is because she doesn't have Jason yet, and she also whines so much. If she stops her whining problem, (which isn't really hard because it's mainly about Jason) and gets Jason, she'll be a Mary-Sue. But if she doesn't get Jason, she'll be a little more… human. Of course, she has those "flaws" like, she's insecure, etc. but they don't really count. Most Mary-Sues believe that they're not as perfect as they really are.
Reyna isn't a Mary-Sue because, she has flaws. She's not popular, she's strict, she's not gorgeous, etc. So, basically Reyna's ACTUALLY HUMAN! (Half-human anyways!)
Why Jayna is 100% possible and the way to go:
1. You've all heard in the Son of Neptune about how Reyna frantically searched for Jason. Yes, she didn't go all-out like Annabeth, but that was because she was actually THE leader (Lupa doesn't interfere) of Camp Jupiter. Annabeth could search for Percy because Chiron was there to take over. Also, since Percy was put into a deep sleep, Camp Jupiter had to wait for 8 months before they had ANY clue about what happened to Jason. Annabeth only had to wait four days before she found the boy with one shoe. Do you want Reyna's heart to break because Jason chose Piper? I've read the fanfics about Jason choosing Piper, and they broke my heart.
2. Reyna's known Jason for four years. Piper's known Jason for about 8 months. Plus, how much does Piper really know about Jason?
3. Venus/Aphrodite could be influencing Piper and Jason. Do you really think that Aphrodite would favor Reyna over her own daughter? That's not true love.
4. Also, for those who say, "Oh, Jason didn't remember Reyna like Percy remembered Annabeth." Oh really? What if Aphrodite made it like that? What if Juno couldn't wipe away Percy's memories but that was because Aphrodite was favoring him? Huh? So you can't say that Reyna meant little to Jason if he remembered part of her after his quest.
5. You say that Jason and Reyna weren't together, and Reyna meant little to Jason. The "not being together" part is true, but if Reyna meant little to Jason, WHY would he be guilty about what he was doing with Piper?
6. Aphrodite could actually be influencing Jason to forget Reyna because in TLH, you ONLY saw the kinder side to Piper. You forgot that she can be shallow. And also, in the books, Aphrodite says that she doesn't force them to do something they don't want to do; she just gives them "a little push." Mmmm-hmmm. Sure, hon. What about Helen and Paris? Aphrodite MADE Helen fall in love with Paris (because he gave a bloody apple). THAT is fake love. Why did she do that? Because they "looked so cute together." Therefore, there is a possibility that she is influencing them, and I repeat, that is so not true love.
7. Percy bathed in the River Styx. Annabeth IS his mortal point. He CAN'T forget her at all unless he wants to die. Jason didn't do that so maybe that's why he didn't remember Reyna.
8. Next up, Reyna and Jason are so PERFECT for each other. Why? Because Piper glorifies Jason. She thinks he's perfect. Let's look at Percy and Annabeth. Does Annabeth think that Percy is perfect? No. But he's her Seaweed Brain. Piper, on the other hand, can only see Jason's glory. Reyna sees everything about him crystal clearly.
9. If you people are thinking that Piper and Jason have to be together to unite the two camps, then you're WRONG! That wouldn't be true love, now would it?
9. JASPER is sooooo cliché. C'mon, the strong, powerful hero with the beautiful yet dangerous heroine? Sooooo cliché. Jayna is better because Reyna is the strict one that can have fun, and Jason is the kind one that can be serious. They're not that similar, and they aren't complete opposites, so they would be GREAT together.

Some of you guys also argue that Jason would've never fallen in love with Piper if he was already in love with Reyna. But he hasn't fallen in love with Piper yet. He just has a little crush on her. Here are my theories as to how he fell in love with Piper and why he shouldn't pick her:
1. Piper's a daughter of Aphrodite and obviously beautiful. It would be pretty hard not to have a crush on her, wouldn't it?
2. Like I said before, Piper's mother is Aphrodite and could be influencing them. Why? Because Aphrodite can be nice and kind BUT she can also be vain and self-centered. She also sometimes makes fake love happen like with Helen and Paris just because, "they looked so cute together!" Greeks Drool – Romans Rule on fanfiction.net had a theory about Piper's color-changing eyes and I LOVE IT! Jason lost his memory right? SO let's say he's trying to subconsciously remember Reyna, but he can't because his memory got wiped away. So whenever he looks at Piper, who's a daughter of APHRODITE, (who can change her appearance to show who you like or love) he sees eyes that change color because he can't remember the color of Reyna's eyes. After all, Leo doesn't mention anything about Piper's eyes changing color and neither does Piper. It's only Jason. Suspicious, eh…?
3. I have a million more reasons about why Reyna and Jayna are better than Piper and Jasper. Feel free to debate with me. But please THINK before you type something.
-Jen


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Wow! You really want to prove your point, don't you! I totally agree with you, by the way (:


message 364: by Nancy (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nancy It is true Leo never mentioned Piper an her color changing eyes.


Barely Breathing Banana REYNA!! Pipers greek, hes roman, it just wont work out...Piper and Leo though...


Barely Breathing Banana Robinnbastar wrote: "how about.....
Can he have both?
*take of sunglasses*
oh yeahhhhhhhhh"


LOOOOOLLL XD


Randomness Piper and Leo won't work,though. Piper tolerates Leo ,but thinks he's annoying. :( too bad


Barely Breathing Banana nah...she digs the Leo, you know its tru! (i only want it to be tru cuz i like Reyna more =P) also, if Peo works out, then Hazel wont have to choose between 'Sammy/Leo' or Frank cuz leos taken


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Randomness wrote: "Piper and Leo won't work,though. Piper tolerates Leo ,but thinks he's annoying. :( too bad"

Actually they're best friends. At first, she thought he was annoying but during and after the quests, they were BFFs!


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OMG, (I know this is off topic) but who else thinks RR is gonna do a KC/HoO crossover????????


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Kane and Heros? I don't think so......


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Watermelon (In side joke.) wrote: "Kane and Heros? I don't think so......"

Ya, but there were SO many hints in the books that RR is gonna do that. DREW AND LACY even appeared in the Serpent's Shadow!!!!!! AND, there were "strange bursts of magic" as far as LONG ISLAND!!!! All the evidence points in that direction!!!! (HA DIRECTION!! ONE DIRECTION!!!) PLUS, who do you think the last demigod of the prophecy is? RR wouldn't make it obvious and he would surprise us with a twist. SO, what if the SEVENTH MEMBER is AN EGYPTIAN DEMIGOD???? OMG, that would be SOOOOO COOL!!!!!!!!
-Jen


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I can't blame Reyna for being on the island because it was really her sisters fault that she was there, plus, how was she to know that Circe was evil because I'd be cool with people who treat me like I'm the only person in the world

Haha, Direction :)

And yeah, I think they will make a KC and HoO mix up! Really really hope so


Jasmine reyna all piper can do is charmspeak not that that's not powerful but reyna actually works to be a badass it wasn't just given to her. plus reyna actually knows jason all of pipers memories of him are fake


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That's absolutely true, Reyna isn't someone who thinks she's all that like Drew, but she isn't trying to hide her true self like Piper, Reyna's just herself, and that's why she's better than Piper


Barely Breathing Banana i havent read KC, only HoO, is kane any good? which is better?


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Nasra wrote: "That's absolutely true, Reyna isn't someone who thinks she's all that like Drew, but she isn't trying to hide her true self like Piper, Reyna's just herself, and that's why she's better than Piper"

Yes! But we don't know her very well, but I hate piper.

Nasra wrote: "I can't blame Reyna for being on the island because it was really her sisters fault that she was there, plus, how was she to know that Circe was evil because I'd be cool with people who treat me li..."

Lol! yes.

And the Kane chronicles is AWESOME! I have a group for it but no one has joined yet. :( Any ways they are amazing and funny. I like them better then the lost hero but not as much as the son of neptune.


Barely Breathing Banana SoN was pretty awesome...(better than LH,) i guess ill put it on my to-read list


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The son is my favorite book! I love it and The Throne of fire.


Barely Breathing Banana throne of fire?? is that from kane? also, whens mark of Athena coming out??


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I believe Piper will end up with Jason. However, I like Reyna a lot more than Piper.


message 382: by Barely Breathing Banana (last edited May 20, 2012 07:29PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Barely Breathing Banana Jeyna all the way! Pipers too Greek =P (but they would be the first Roman-Greek couple, and their kids will have to alternate between camps...)


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Rhea Nightshade I still support Jason/Reyna even if Riordan would pick Jason/Piper. =)))


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Annabanana wrote: "i havent read KC, only HoO, is kane any good? which is better?"

Well, KC isn't as good as HoO (at least that's what I think). But it's still really cool, funny, and just EPIC!!!!


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Taylor I think piper and I was thinking that Leo would end up with the cabin9 girl what was her name... I think reyna dies and big sis might die 2


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Taylor I think it wuz be a very nice touch


Barely Breathing Banana Taylor wrote: "I think it wuz be a very nice touch"

noo! Reyna shouldn't die! (maybe her sis but not her) also, if she dies who would take over the camp? (ooh...Jason and Piper!! she could leave the greek camp)


Randomness Kane is ok,but PJoO and HoO are better by far


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OMG, for all you Jayna fans go onto fanfiction.net and look up Reyna4eva. Her stories are REALLY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course, I may be a little biased...since I wrote them. LOL, but yeah, if you're looking 4 Jayna, check out my stories!!! Seriously, I'm going on a Jayna spree ever since I read da Mark of Athena sneak peek. My friend HecateA on fanfiction.net (who's really cool! Check out her stories too) has a theory that Jasper is temporary because so far every couple we've seen has stayed together. That's unrealistic so if Jasper turns into Jayna, it'll be more realistic! Also, check out I am Reyna Daughter of Bellona's stories too....
-J


Barely Breathing Banana lol ill be sure to chech that out...also, when is MoA coming out?? I CANT WAIT!! Jeyna!Jeyna!Jeyna!


Barely Breathing Banana WOW you're really passionate about Jayna...lol


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Annabanana wrote: "WOW you're really passionate about Jayna...lol"

I am. Reyna's also my favorite character. She's amazing. I love her...OMG, I think I'm going to rant about her now but if I start, I'll probably fail my finals tomorrow... What am I doing here anyway????
G2g!!!!
-Jennie


message 393: by Areeba (new) - rated it 3 stars

Areeba pipes! aka piper i would think that is what jason would choose but if he gets his entire memory back reyna deserves him


message 394: by [deleted user] (last edited May 22, 2012 08:16PM) (new)

anybody think he'll end up with no one?...seriously...his name sake ended up with no one...and since Riordan is writing according to Greek myths...

regardless...i like reyna more...i don't hate piper but i think she needs to do some growing up...which doesn't involve jason being her bf...

besides i think the possibilty piper saw with jason was influenced by the mist...


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Rhea Nightshade Reneered wrote: "OMG, for all you Jayna fans go onto fanfiction.net and look up Reyna4eva. Her stories are REALLY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course, I may be a little biased...since I wrote them. L..."

Really? That's you? I really love your stories! same goes with HecateA. Your fanfics are really good. ;)


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Mercedes wrote: "Reneered wrote: "OMG, for all you Jayna fans go onto fanfiction.net and look up Reyna4eva. Her stories are REALLY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course, I may be a little biased...sinc..."
Thanks! You know, I'm gonna post a new chapter of Nicknames today or tomorrow. I'm also gonna start a new story about Jayna, although I haven't started it...OMG, thank god that my major test is over. But of course, my finals for algebra still haunt my future. *Sighs* OH well....


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♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Emma wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "It's confirmed!!! :D Yes! Jasper is now OFFICIAL!" Huh? Official? Since when?"

If you go to youtube and search 'Rick Riordan; Mark of Athena,' the second ..."


...thats the 1ST chapter only...just wanted to point that out :)


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Clara wrote: "PIPER!!!!!!!! she has been through SOOOO much with him!! if Jason chooses Reyna i will chuck the book at a wall then go pick it up and continue reading. Reyna's cool and all but Piper's WAY more aw..."

reyna and jaosn knew each other longer...so it reasons that they've been through more..


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April wrote: "Oh my gosh!! Did you even read the lost hero?? Piper saved Leo and Jason from killing each other at Medea's place, she killed an earthborn for Leo and said "Nobody messes with my friends" obviously..."

then she claims jason without regard for the life he can't remember because she sees a possibilty she wants...doesn't that sound selfish? even a little bit?


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Sarah Piper!!


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