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Piper or Reyna ? Who should Jason choose?

Instead of becoming depressed since she wasn't the one Jason chose, she can either join the hunt/Amazons or strengthen her friendship with Leo.
I prefer the latter one, though.
The two of them (Leo and Piper) remind me of Percy and Annabeth with their name-calling and all. XD
Then again, these are just my persona opinion. =)))
Reneered wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Grace wrote: "Watermelon (In side joke.) wrote: "Grace wrote: "Jason should be with Piper, I think. Praetors stand alone, and Jason doesn't count as one ATM."
If praetors stood all..."
I would like Piper better if she was a hunter.
Mercedes wrote: "It would be a great development for Piper if Jason ends up with Reyna.
Instead of becoming depressed since she wasn't the one Jason chose, she can either join the hunt/Amazons or strengthen her fr..."
Yes but I don't want Leo and Piper to date.
If praetors stood all..."
I would like Piper better if she was a hunter.
Mercedes wrote: "It would be a great development for Piper if Jason ends up with Reyna.
Instead of becoming depressed since she wasn't the one Jason chose, she can either join the hunt/Amazons or strengthen her fr..."
Yes but I don't want Leo and Piper to date.
Mercedes wrote: "It would be a great development for Piper if Jason ends up with Reyna.
Instead of becoming depressed since she wasn't the one Jason chose, she can either join the hunt/Amazons or strengthen her fr..."
I don't like the idea of Piper being a huntress...for various reasons :)
So, I too, prefer Leo and Piper, but I don't want them to become a couple as soon as Piper and Jason breaks up (if they do break up )....its more like I want Piper and Leo to develop feelings for each other,but preferably towards the end of the series.
Instead of becoming depressed since she wasn't the one Jason chose, she can either join the hunt/Amazons or strengthen her fr..."
I don't like the idea of Piper being a huntress...for various reasons :)
So, I too, prefer Leo and Piper, but I don't want them to become a couple as soon as Piper and Jason breaks up (if they do break up )....its more like I want Piper and Leo to develop feelings for each other,but preferably towards the end of the series.

I don't think it would bring justice to Reyna who already lost her Circe and the others then Jason (when Hera got him) and lose him again.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, we haven't seen Piper's character develop AT ALL. It's like she's stuck in a time machine. For Reyna, even though we haven't seen her develop, we know that it's happened since living on a protected island like Circe and then all of a sudden having to escape from pirates and find your own way in the world has to be harsh. You know, I was researching Blackbeard and I found out that he (WARNING: IF YOU CANNOT HANDLE MENTIONS OF ABUSE, STOP READING!!!) raped some women and even some girls. I have a feeling he raped either Reyna or Hylla. I dunno...it just kind of makes sense for me, ya no? Anyways, I have to go to my stupid NJHS ceremony and get all dolled up, so PEACE OUT!!!! *Random Peace Sign Appears Out of Nowhere*
-a very peaceful Scarlett Rose
-a very peaceful Scarlett Rose
Reneered wrote: "Yeah, we haven't seen Piper's character develop AT ALL. It's like she's stuck in a time machine. For Reyna, even though we haven't seen her develop, we know that it's happened since living on a pro..."
Hey Reneered, while I do respect your opinion and I can understand why you came to the conclusion ("I have a feeling he raped either Reyna or Hylla"), it seems to me that, it is one of those really, really REALLY big assumptions that we can't really make unless the book says otherwise. RR, even though he is using myths, historical stuff etc to write his books, he also adds certain things, and leaves out certain things. So my guess is, that considering the age range these RR books are for, he would more than likely leave out the fact that Blackbread raped women and children. I'm not saying that he will, just that it seems more likely that he will leave it out.
"we haven't seen Piper's character develop AT ALL." I don't think that is true. when she came to camp half blood, she allowed herself to be bullied by Drew. when she came back after the quest, she had enough confidence to stand up to Drew, as well as take her position as the head of the Aphrodite cabin. It was a small development, but it was important, considering that Piper is really new to the whole demigod thing.
@Mercedes
I mean, she'd be tougher and I don't know... she'd be a whole lot of person.
I don't think it would bring justice to Reyna who already lost her Circe and the others then Jason (when Hera got him) and lose him again.
You know what I mean?
Yeah I know what you mean. Piper, even though I did say she developed a bit, didn't go through that type of loss like the other demigods did; and it would be really unfair/annoying/sucky if she just got everything she wanted without ever actually experienceing some sort of loss.This, in my opinion, kinda leads me to believe that Piper isn't as strong as she should/could be in order for her to be one of the seven. I guess hopefully, she have more development in the future books ( and hopefully, before the actually ending of the series)
seriously random question-->Do you think that Piper not ending up with Jason could help her better understand what her mother represents (and the powers she has)?
Hey Reneered, while I do respect your opinion and I can understand why you came to the conclusion ("I have a feeling he raped either Reyna or Hylla"), it seems to me that, it is one of those really, really REALLY big assumptions that we can't really make unless the book says otherwise. RR, even though he is using myths, historical stuff etc to write his books, he also adds certain things, and leaves out certain things. So my guess is, that considering the age range these RR books are for, he would more than likely leave out the fact that Blackbread raped women and children. I'm not saying that he will, just that it seems more likely that he will leave it out.
"we haven't seen Piper's character develop AT ALL." I don't think that is true. when she came to camp half blood, she allowed herself to be bullied by Drew. when she came back after the quest, she had enough confidence to stand up to Drew, as well as take her position as the head of the Aphrodite cabin. It was a small development, but it was important, considering that Piper is really new to the whole demigod thing.
@Mercedes
I mean, she'd be tougher and I don't know... she'd be a whole lot of person.
I don't think it would bring justice to Reyna who already lost her Circe and the others then Jason (when Hera got him) and lose him again.
You know what I mean?
Yeah I know what you mean. Piper, even though I did say she developed a bit, didn't go through that type of loss like the other demigods did; and it would be really unfair/annoying/sucky if she just got everything she wanted without ever actually experienceing some sort of loss.This, in my opinion, kinda leads me to believe that Piper isn't as strong as she should/could be in order for her to be one of the seven. I guess hopefully, she have more development in the future books ( and hopefully, before the actually ending of the series)
seriously random question-->Do you think that Piper not ending up with Jason could help her better understand what her mother represents (and the powers she has)?

When Silena realized that Charlie had died she realized that she doesn't want I betray her camp by being the secret spy.
Yes I know that Silena was with Charlie. And that charlie actually DIED. Silena character grew from being a girly girl daughter of Aphodite to leading a army in the battle of Olympus. Yes she died but she died for a good cause.

I agree with you. =)))
Not being with Jason should serve as an "eye-opening" experience that there's more to the world. I mean, as what you said, who knows? She might learn to love all those around her and appreciate it.
Like her beauty, for example. She's a pretty girl and instead of toning it down, she might as well let it show (but not too much).
Yes, I agree with your "random" question. I think it would help her appreciate what her mother stands for. I mean, if she really loves Jason, if he doesn't pick her eventually, she'd learn to let him go.
Mercedes wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Yeah, we haven't seen Piper's character develop AT ALL. It's like she's stuck in a time machine. For Reyna, even though we haven't seen her develop, we know that it's..."
Well, Reyna doesn't hide her beauty as much as pipers but they both seem to be afraid of it.
I think Reyna's heart would adjust faster than Piper's. I also think it will be totally different then what we guess.
Well, Reyna doesn't hide her beauty as much as pipers but they both seem to be afraid of it.
I think Reyna's heart would adjust faster than Piper's. I also think it will be totally different then what we guess.

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you. I mean...there's a lot of inappropriate stuff in Greek mythology for young readers (by that I mean ages 12 and under), which make up a large amount of PJATO fans. Obviously, RR is not going to include that type of material in his stories, so I'd have to say it's unlikely there was any sexual abuse between Blackbeard and Reyna/Hylla.
Hannah wrote: "@rawr?
Yeah, I'd have to agree with you. I mean...there's a lot of inappropriate stuff in Greek mythology for young readers (by that I mean ages 12 and under), which make up a large amount of PJATO..."
rawr? wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Yeah, we haven't seen Piper's character develop AT ALL. It's like she's stuck in a time machine. For Reyna, even though we haven't seen her develop, we know that it's happened sinc..."
Yeah, I know that RR won't mention that. I just have a feeling, if this story was real, that would've happened. And as for Piper's character developing, she hasn't exactly gone through much development. All she really did was gain a little more confidence, enough to take the position from Drew (but did she have to act so bitchy doing it? ughhhh...)
-A very annoyed (with Piper) Scarlett Rose
Yeah, I'd have to agree with you. I mean...there's a lot of inappropriate stuff in Greek mythology for young readers (by that I mean ages 12 and under), which make up a large amount of PJATO..."
rawr? wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Yeah, we haven't seen Piper's character develop AT ALL. It's like she's stuck in a time machine. For Reyna, even though we haven't seen her develop, we know that it's happened sinc..."
Yeah, I know that RR won't mention that. I just have a feeling, if this story was real, that would've happened. And as for Piper's character developing, she hasn't exactly gone through much development. All she really did was gain a little more confidence, enough to take the position from Drew (but did she have to act so bitchy doing it? ughhhh...)
-A very annoyed (with Piper) Scarlett Rose
@ Nancy
am...I didn't really do that comparison to Silena...but you do have a good point...:)
@ Mercedes
lol @ putting random in quotation, yeah...I guess random wasn't really the word to use...am...Piper learning to let go of Jason is kind of what I was thinking about...
@ Watermelon
Why you do you think Reyna might adjust faster than Piper? Is it because she has been though a lot and might be able to cope better?...If that’s what you mean, well I think that’s a possibility, but I have to also point out that, considering how much she has been through, she might also be a little more vulnerable/ touchy about losing someone she cares about again. Also, she did wait 8 months for him, so it would probably be a really big disappointment/ very painful if she waited so long, and ended up losing him.
And yes, Piper is more of a softie that Reyna...but the thing is, she does have to develop as a character, and the other demigods did go through a lot worse; I don't think not ending up with Jason is the worst thing that can happen to her...especially in the demigod world.
And, yes, I know RR could write something completely different from what I'm thinking, but I really doubt he isn't going to find someway to develop Piper as a character. I just think losing Jason would be the easiest (and probably the most obvious) way for him to do it, but I'm pretty sure he'll find some other way.
@ Taylor
I don't know if I should bother commenting about your post since you did say that hold to your opinion, but I'll give it a shot :P
about Reyna dying—I thought about that after I read the book, but then I realized that, that would be a little too simple, and a bit too convenient for RR. Unless Piper is the one killing Reyna, which would be interesting...
Leo gets nyssa- amm...don't they have the same Godly parent? Didn't Percy say that the half blood campers don't date other half bloods with the same godly parent? ( that was in the Last Olympian I think?)
@ Reneered
I kind of do think she needed to act like that with Drew :/...but thats just my thoughts on that...
am...I didn't really do that comparison to Silena...but you do have a good point...:)
@ Mercedes
lol @ putting random in quotation, yeah...I guess random wasn't really the word to use...am...Piper learning to let go of Jason is kind of what I was thinking about...
@ Watermelon
Why you do you think Reyna might adjust faster than Piper? Is it because she has been though a lot and might be able to cope better?...If that’s what you mean, well I think that’s a possibility, but I have to also point out that, considering how much she has been through, she might also be a little more vulnerable/ touchy about losing someone she cares about again. Also, she did wait 8 months for him, so it would probably be a really big disappointment/ very painful if she waited so long, and ended up losing him.
And yes, Piper is more of a softie that Reyna...but the thing is, she does have to develop as a character, and the other demigods did go through a lot worse; I don't think not ending up with Jason is the worst thing that can happen to her...especially in the demigod world.
And, yes, I know RR could write something completely different from what I'm thinking, but I really doubt he isn't going to find someway to develop Piper as a character. I just think losing Jason would be the easiest (and probably the most obvious) way for him to do it, but I'm pretty sure he'll find some other way.
@ Taylor
I don't know if I should bother commenting about your post since you did say that hold to your opinion, but I'll give it a shot :P
about Reyna dying—I thought about that after I read the book, but then I realized that, that would be a little too simple, and a bit too convenient for RR. Unless Piper is the one killing Reyna, which would be interesting...
Leo gets nyssa- amm...don't they have the same Godly parent? Didn't Percy say that the half blood campers don't date other half bloods with the same godly parent? ( that was in the Last Olympian I think?)
@ Reneered
I kind of do think she needed to act like that with Drew :/...but thats just my thoughts on that...
rawr? wrote: "@ Nancy
am...I didn't really do that comparison to Silena...but you do have a good point...:)
@ Mercedes
lol @ putting random in quotation, yeah...I guess random wasn't really the word to use...am..."
I don't think she had to act like that. Yes, she could've challenged her to duel. Yes, she could've been forceful. But not so smug and annoying. Piper acted like one of those popular mean kids at my school. We nickname them "Da Airheads." I HATE people like that. And, I know that Drew was an airhead, too, but Piper was fighting fire with fire, and that's totally Repair Boy's job!
OMG, I need to study for my finals tomorrow!!!! DAMN IT!!! (Excuse my language!)
-A very cursey Scarlett Rose
am...I didn't really do that comparison to Silena...but you do have a good point...:)
@ Mercedes
lol @ putting random in quotation, yeah...I guess random wasn't really the word to use...am..."
I don't think she had to act like that. Yes, she could've challenged her to duel. Yes, she could've been forceful. But not so smug and annoying. Piper acted like one of those popular mean kids at my school. We nickname them "Da Airheads." I HATE people like that. And, I know that Drew was an airhead, too, but Piper was fighting fire with fire, and that's totally Repair Boy's job!
OMG, I need to study for my finals tomorrow!!!! DAMN IT!!! (Excuse my language!)
-A very cursey Scarlett Rose


GO RICK RIORDAN!
=)))"
Same here. Piper is definitely not my favorite character, but I hope she can redeem herself in MoA. I'd like to see how she reacts to meeting Jason's previous friends...
Grace wrote: "Watermelon (In side joke.) wrote: "Grace wrote: "Jason should be with Piper, I think. Praetors stand alone, and Jason doesn't count as one ATM."
If praetors stood all alone then this chat would ..."
Then she needs someone that's had a little sibling and a hard life, but I see where your coming from.
Hannah wrote: "Yeah...I kind of felt that Piper's actions in regard to Drew were a bit over the top and unnecessary. She was basically acting in the same manner Drew acted. Thus, Piper was being a hypocrite (sinc..."
Yes but it was funny, well some what. Piper was very overly possess-of.
I don't like Piper and am going to decide if Jason in the mark of Athena.
If praetors stood all alone then this chat would ..."
Then she needs someone that's had a little sibling and a hard life, but I see where your coming from.
Hannah wrote: "Yeah...I kind of felt that Piper's actions in regard to Drew were a bit over the top and unnecessary. She was basically acting in the same manner Drew acted. Thus, Piper was being a hypocrite (sinc..."
Yes but it was funny, well some what. Piper was very overly possess-of.
I don't like Piper and am going to decide if Jason in the mark of Athena.
Sarah wrote: "Piper"
Do you have reasons?
Do you have reasons?

I can't wait for October
Kimber~!! wrote: "Piper disgusts & annoys me"
totally right??she's such a bitch.she's always complaining.she's soo annoying!!
REYNA ALL THE WAY
totally right??she's such a bitch.she's always complaining.she's soo annoying!!
REYNA ALL THE WAY

I can't wait for October"
Gah, I know! I just can't wait that long.
What did you guys think of the newly released cover?
well...I always thought that an owl's eyes kind of made it look clueless...but those on the cover look really pissed...also...Blackjack looks cooler than Jason's horse (don't remember its name)...
Piper is extremely annoying!throughout all of The Lost Hero she's constantly complaining about how she wishes Jason could remeber her, how hot he looks, how her dad never has time for her. compared to other demigods her life has been really easy, i mean she does'nt get attacked by monsters or anything unlike most demigods. she's a selfish bitch.anywayz i hope jason comes to his senses and gets with reyna

I totally agree.Jason is way too serious and Piper is so whiny!!They just don't suit each other..And they way she acted in front of Drew at the end was so annoying!


♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Ok, ok. Any of the people who were on here when I was (like 3 weeks ago) wanna fill me in? I saw that there were 2 new pages, and I tried to read them... but I totally got lost."
Ammm...I can't backtrack to 3 weeks('cause I simply don't remember), but some ppl agreed that they would decide if they really like Piper or not ( as a character ) in MoA (myself included...but I didn't post that :)}
....
I agree with Nancy...Leo would be better off with Piper...
Ammm...I can't backtrack to 3 weeks('cause I simply don't remember), but some ppl agreed that they would decide if they really like Piper or not ( as a character ) in MoA (myself included...but I didn't post that :)}
....
I agree with Nancy...Leo would be better off with Piper...


You can't be sure of that yet.

♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Hm... I think Leo and Piper are more brother and sister... besides, Leo has a triangle with Frank and Hazel already."
Honestly...I didn't get brother/sister with Piper and Leo :/...and even if he has a triangle already, RR can throw him in another to make things more complicated...(and for us to keep reading:P hehehe )
Honestly...I didn't get brother/sister with Piper and Leo :/...and even if he has a triangle already, RR can throw him in another to make things more complicated...(and for us to keep reading:P hehehe )

But I never said I wasn't going to judge :P I think Jason should choose Reyna 100%! He doesn't even know Piper! Seriously, he and and Reyna knew each other and were fellow praetors and good friends! He's known Piper for eight month (supposedly, but probably not because Hera messed with both their memories). Plus, Piper just acts like a brat. I never liked her, even from the beginning. But I actually do like her with Leo surprisingly. Reyna can't go with Leo! Yuckyuckyuck. Ew. She obviously belongs with Jason becuase Jason deserves better than Piper! So in conclusion to my rant, Jason should choose Reyna because:
1) Reyna is just BETTER than Piper. She is a hard worker. She had to run the camp by herself for eight months until Percy came along! Plus she is whiny and she likes getting things done and doesn't spout her feelings out her mouth! She at least has some intrigue
2) Jason and Reyna actually have history together! Piper and Jason have only "known" each other for 8 months! Its like Hannah Montana all over again people! Who did she choose? Jake, because they had history! (and because Jesse was a whiny loser like Piper)
3) She obviously cares about Jason a lot still. She kept his praetor spot open and away from Octavian because she didn't want everyone to think that she thoguht he was dead! And she said she misses him! Absence make the heart grow fonder and all that stuff.
4) Jason is Roman and Reyna is Roman! Piper is Greek! How is that going to work? Jason and Piper will have to go their seperate ways anyway because Percy has to go back to camp Half-Blood and give his praetor position back to Jason
5) I just think it will be funny for Piper to be miserable HAHA. Jk. I want Piper to be with Leo 1) because I don't think Hazel and Leo should be together because I like Hazel and Frank and 2) Because I don't want Piper to be with Jason because Reyna can't be with anyone else!
That's it :D


2. Some people don't like Piper, which is cool, but this is why I do like her. She's pretty nice which is a GOOD thing people! That doesn't make her Mary Sue, it just makes her a nice person. Piper is smart and funny. She may have a famous dad but he is always busy and doesn't have much time for her. Piper doesn't seem to have many friends, her dad is the most important person in her world and when he's not around she's all alone. Have you ever heard the phrase "money can't buy you happiness"? Just because Piper is rich doesn't mean she's lost the right to be dissatisfied with her life. She acts out for attention which is a really common behavior and is sent from school to school. We meet PiPer when she is attending the Wilderness School. Her only friend is Leo (and Jason but not really). The other kids are bitchy towards her because of the way she dresses and her ethnicity. I'm not saying that any of this is all that awful, I'm just saying that Piper has struggles just like every other character.
-I think that some people dislike Piper because Aphrodite is her godly parent. People have some sort of resentment toward her because love isn't "cool" or "tough". That's shit because love is the strongest human emotion. It is extremely powerful and makes people do some crazy things. Also, love is beautiful-- family love, friendship love, romantic love. Beauty is also pretty great. Don't knock Aphrodite is all I'm saying. Piper understands what Aphrodite really stands for, past the superficiality.
-Piper has been accused of not developing at all throughout the story which is thoroughly false. She comes to terms with being a daughter of Aphrodite. She learns to accept it and be proud of it. She gains enough confidence in herself to oust Drew who is awful, seriously. She charm speaks her cabin mates into submission and relishes in getting people to fall in love with her only to break their hearts. Anyway, the most important character building that Piper does has to do with her father. She saves his life, sees him in major pain, extremely depressed and traumatized. I know from experience that it is so hard to have to see a parent so vulnerable and to have to take care of them when it's supposed to be the other way around. Piper finally gets her dad to be proud of her, which is what she's wanted all along. For his benefit though, she chooses to have him forget the experience altogether. Furthermore, she finally learns to accept that while her dad is busy and may not always have time for her, he loves her all the same.
3. As for Jason and Piper as a couple. They have this inexplicable connection. Even though Jason's never met Piper, he immediately likes her and is drawn to her. We get to see the two of them get to know each other better. And what can I say? They LIKE each other a lot. And evidently they're a couple as voiced by Annabeth in the new chapter. Eight months is plenty of time to get to know a person fully and develope a deep bond so it'll be interesting to see how Jason and Pipers relationship has changed in the next book.

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Yeah, I agree with you. You know, I kind of want Piper to become a huntress. Even though her mother's the goddess of love...well...yeah.
-A very confusing Scarlett Rose