A Storm of Swords: Steel and Snow (A Song of Ice and Fire, #3.1) A Storm of Swords discussion


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I still don't like Jaime Lannister.

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...Just sayin'. I like reading from his perspective, but my impression is that he's just as big an asshole as ever. More than that, he comes off as weak, allowing himself to be manipulated by Cersei and using love as an excuse to justify his deeds.

Maybe that's a little harsh, but I'm only halfway through at this point. Jaime's one redeeming characteristic is that he genuinely cares about Tyrion. Cersei's redeeming characteristic is her love for her children/her anger at Jaime for shoving Bran out a window.


David Gallagher I actually grew to like him. I think he deserved all he got (how his "great looks" were lost and about his "sword hand"), but he does genuinely care about others: Tyrion, Cercei and even Brienne. And he's humble on the inside it seems (as humble as a Lannister could ever be!)

I'm surprised he never really mentions his children, guess he's not a children person. He is Cercei's slave in a way, but he seems content with that!

In any case, this volume made me like him more. I'm sure there's a reason GRRM decided to show his perspective. He's one of the "good" guys now. ^_^


Luke I'd say keep reading before you rush to judgement on Jamie. He's grown on me as a character to where his motivations are at the very least understandable, if not any less despicable.


Joseph Jaime grew on me. He's not a 'hero' but then again no one is, he's flawed too, despite throwing Bran out of a window, (I haven't forgiven him about that) I still quite like him.
:D


Danielle like everyone else i disliked jamie. but in the end he has grown on me. im curious to see what happens to him in the future.


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Having read the book (and books 4 and 5 now) --

Jaime and Brienne has become the great platonic love story of the series...a sort of ironic twist to the knight in shining armor who is loyal to his chaste lady love, haha.

I like that Jaime has been forcibly humbled. He still has his pride, but it's more of a show now as he doesn't want others to see his weakness, and he doubts himself. I also like that he's starting to realize how much Cersei has played him over the years, and to feel like he needs to fess up to screwing her and tell their children that he's their father. He's still a tool. But he actually *gets it* now.

And then there's the part about the trebuchet...that was a bluff (maybe), but still, he does seem to have a "thing" about throwing children from high places. Lol.

All in all, I won't be too upset if he dies, but I'll be glad if he dies as a developed and pretty sympathetic character instead of a hated villain. When he burned Cersei's letter I almost cheered:)


Gregory Skytrafficker wrote: "I'd say keep reading before you rush to judgement on Jamie. He's grown on me as a character to where his motivations are at the very least understandable, if not any less despicable."


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Marco Paulo Naoe he's getting there... he's getting there...


Michael Jaime has become one of my favourites through the novels. He's seen as a kingslayer, but with a "good and noble" motive. He's seen by some a heroe, which he isn't cause he's got as many flaws as any other character. But he's the only Lanister who actually really seems to care about people.
And for his throwing-Bran-out-of-the-window thing: I don't really mind that part, Bran was and is for my part one of the most boring characters in the novels.


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Hannah Kelly Michael wrote: "Jaime has become one of my favourites through the novels. He's seen as a kingslayer, but with a "good and noble" motive. He's seen by some a heroe, which he isn't cause he's got as many flaws as an..."

How can you say this! This is dispicable! Bran is an innocent child and nothing you say will ever justify Jaimes horrific actions. He crippled a child for life! How can you even think for a minute this is right?


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Matthew Williams Michael wrote: "Jaime has become one of my favourites through the novels. He's seen as a kingslayer, but with a "good and noble" motive. He's seen by some a heroe, which he isn't cause he's got as many flaws as an..."

This statement makes no sense. He cares about people, and yet he was willing to murder a child? I mean, I know you think this was excusable based on Bran being boring, but it pretty much rules out the humanitarian quality you claim to see in him, wouldn't you say?. And what about Tyrion? How many children did he try to murder?


Sahar What he did to bran is unforgivable ... but then cersi brings out the worst of him , i like to think that he was decent-ish person from the start and not only after he lost his sword arm ..
just hoping he`d go out with a bang


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