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What were the things you didn't like about the series?
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Chelseabelle wrote: "Dani wrote: "Chelseabelle wrote: "That's like saying that football and soccer and baseball are useless to a high school. It is a huge place to grow and learn about yourself, and Quidditch indeed ta..."Yeah, I don't think we could changed each other's mind :)
But the only reason he wasn't good in his classes was because he didn't do the work. And that was because he knew Hermione would do it for him. Remember his O.W.L.S? Ya boy was plenty smart, he just didn't put in the effort. The only time he truly put in an honest effort was when he took his O.W.L.S., and he still somewhat half-a**ed that.
You're right about the being on one of two sides. Harry doesn't really blow up 'every now and then'. In the fifth book, that's all he does. If someone repeatedly puts their neck on the line for you, you thank them at least once.
Then again, other than the angst and the bravery, there isn't much to Harry's character.
Yeah, I guess I'll end with a *shrug*, too. These are our honest opinions.
Hahaha.. good talk. :)
:D ditto.
Deeelljay wrote: "And the houses. Not only is it wrong to put people into categories based on their personalities and characteristics, but it is also impossible and unhealthy in practice - students should be around a diverse group of people for social functioning to occur. Not to mention, it creates prejudice, as well as unnecessary expectations, and limits the world to four types of "people" when in reality, everyone has a little bit of each house in them, if not a broader range of attributes..."I see your point and did find it extremely irritating that the houses were so bitterly divided - why (virtually) everyone in Slytherin had to be an a@$-hole was ridiculous as being ambitious or 'pure-blooded' doesn't inherently make you a git. On the other hand, I think it was fairly well demonstrated that the characters possessed more than those qualities that were associated with each house. Hermione probably should have been in Ravenclaw, Neville certainly had Hufflepuff qualities, and Harry was more Slytherin than Gryffindor. Ultimately why they ended up in one house over another was because of the traits that they valued the most (and apparently family ties to the house), not the ones they necessarily had (or that was my take). What really irritated me about the houses was the ranking. Gryffindors were such a bunch of goody-goodies that I hated them and frankly would have preferred any house over them. Why Rowling felt the need to rank them from Gold-Silver-Bronze-Black (what the heck precious metal is BLACK?) repeatedly seemed unfair. The other houses should have been represented more fairly... there is no reason why any fans of the book should hate a given house or prefer to be in a given house, but that's what Rowling set up.
**All hail Ravenclaw.** ;)
Edit: I should also say that in many schools - both past and present - students have been sorted based on abilities, propensities, likes, needs, etc., although it can also be arbitrary, and in the UK, children from the same family typically go into the same house, although there are no real rules. So it isn't really fair to criticise Rowling on something that is merely a reality of the British school system. At least she did note at one point that it was extremely problematic for the houses to be so divided.
Shélah wrote: "Deeelljay wrote: "And the houses. Not only is it wrong to put people into categories based on their personalities and characteristics, but it is also impossible and unhealthy in practice - students..."I was a bit puzzled by all the Slytherins being assholes too. The defining trait of a Slytherin is ambition and cunning. Those two things are not bad traits to have. I know plenty of wonderful people who are ambitious, cunning, and very achievement oriented. Sure, these could be negative if an evil person happened to have these traits, but no more so than courage, intelligence, and diligence could be.
Speaking of diligence, what was up with the Hufflepuff house hate? They were tolerant, hard working, loyal, and fair. Compared to how the Slytherins and Gryffindors are portrayed in the books, I'll gladly join the Hufflepuff house. They sound like way nicer people than the Gryffindors and Slytherins. The same goes for the Ravenclaw house.
Loved the series and think JKR is an exceptional writer. If only it could continue.... And, I kept hoping Dumbledore would come back to life.Five stars from this grandma!
Molly wrote: "Shélah wrote: "Deeelljay wrote: "And the houses. Not only is it wrong to put people into categories based on their personalities and characteristics, but it is also impossible and unhealthy in prac..."like. They should add a like button to these things.
Chelseabelle wrote: "Molly wrote: "Shélah wrote: "Deeelljay wrote: "And the houses. Not only is it wrong to put people into categories based on their personalities and characteristics, but it is also impossible and unh..."lol This is third time I've seen this. I wonder the creators of this site are really starting to consider this? But, please stay on topic! *crosses fingers*
Dani wrote:"lol This is third time I've seen this. I wonder the creators of this site are really starting to consider this? But, please stay on topic! *crosses fingers* "Pardon? I thought we were on topic (?). I was responding to something that Deeelljay purportedly did not like in the series.
Shélah wrote: "Dani wrote:"lol This is third time I've seen this. I wonder the creators of this site are really starting to consider this? But, please stay on topic! *crosses fingers* "Pardon? I thought we wer..."
No, I wasn't talking to you lol. I was basically talking to anyone who would have responsed to my comment about a like button. When someone mentions something else besides what the discussion was started for, the whole thread tends to get off topic. I was hoping to prevent that by asking before it actually happen...
I hate the fact that the last chapter of seven does not go into enough detail. I really hate the fact that she portrays the Potter group as successful high school drop outs. Furthermore what do they as adults other than have kids. We know that Neville became a professor what about everyone else?
If Harry is a horcrux and basilisk fangs destroy horcruxes, shouldn't Harry's horcrux part of him have been destroyed in Chamber of Secrets when he was bitten?
Hyman wrote: "If Harry is a horcrux and basilisk fangs destroy horcruxes, shouldn't Harry's horcrux part of him have been destroyed in Chamber of Secrets when he was bitten?"AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! SO TRUE! HOLY WOW I never realized that. I wonder what kind of reasoning JK had for that..
Good catch.
Thats something i didnt understand, JK made a mistake there
Julia wrote: "3- As someone else said, there are no Slytherins with redeeming qualities other than Snape. This is quite one-dimensional characterization. "I agree the part when McGonnagal has all the Slytherin's locked in their house was a bit prejudice. However, it was VERY necessary in war time, rather than take the time and inaccurate account for who supports Voldemort and those who do not. As for Slytherin's non-redeeming qualities other than Snape I do believe that there are those exceptions. Slughorn and Narcissa.
Slughorn made a terrible mistake and told Riddle about the Horcruxes and rather than join Voldemort he went on the run, and because of his fondness for Lily would eventually help Harry to better understand the Horcrux, and battled to defend Hogwarts.
Narcissa was bad from the onset of Harry Potter. She was all for purity of Wizards and supported Voldemort with her husband. But was willing to betray Voldemort because of her love for her son. And let's face it, if Narcissa hadn't lied to Voldemort in the field after Harry "died" Voldemort would have killed him again, and effectively winning the war.
Here's what I didn't like about the series:1. too cliched and it looked like it was pulled from many other popular books (Lord of the Rings)
2. Harry was a boring hero who everyone liked and if you didn't like him, you were seen as evil. He was just a puppet, doing whatever he was told to do without question.
3. The unnecessary deaths. Like really? She couldn't have just killed off one or two people?
4. Ginny. I totally hate her. She was a freaking Mary-Sue/stalker who lusted after Harry and hurt anyone who was in her way just t get to him.
5. Lord Voldemort was just a poorly written villain. The way he acted seemed to me that he was probably schizophrenic or something like that.
6. The romance. I bet SMeyer would have done a better job with the Hogwarts romances than JKR ever did.
7. Bad writing. The books look like they were written by a third grader. Wait...scratch that. Even a third grader could have done a better job than JKR.
8. Dumbledore and Grindelwald. If they hadn't started this crap, then there would have been no need for the crap ht happened in Harry Potter to happen at all.
9. The goddamned epilogue. I hate it. Who cares about who married who and how many kids they had? I bet there's better fanfiction written about the end of Harry Potter.
10. Harry Potter stole the spotlight from other books that could have been the next big thing. Nuff said.
I'll be back with more.
Troels wrote: "I would have liked a death scene with Tonks and Lupin, maybe a scene where Harry saw them die or someone who witnessed it told Harry about it."i agree wid u..they shud hav gotten more importance..
i didnt like ron's character..he was jeslouse of everyone..and in every book att one point or other he had fight wid either harry or hermoine..he just irritated the hell out of me..
also hedwig dying..
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I guess I don't understand how Quidditch didn't have any "sense," to them. And what's so wrong with Harry being exceptional at something? I guess I never saw him being awesome at anything BUT quidditch. He won the triwizard cup because it was set up for him to win. He wasn't top in any of his classes but DA, and for that matter he wouldn't have passes half of them but FOR Hermione. I never minded him being good at Quidditch, it didn't seem like overkill to me.
I agree that the house system is jacked, being a lover of Slytherin.
I also think we just have to agree to disagree about whether he's an a** or not. To me, having almost every parental figure ripped from you, being shoved into a war before you're born, and having to deal with the bullsh** at school on top of it, he has a right to blow up every now and then. Who else would be blow up at than Ron and Hermione, the people he's around the most? He's flawed, but so is everyone else in the book.
again, I'll end with a *shrug*