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Which character do you dislike the most? (possible Spoilers of books 1-4)
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Sep 29, 2013 06:11PM
Definitely gotta be Cersei. Though I LOVE watching her fall apart in the later books
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Won't be popular, but my most disliked is Daenerys. Does she ever make a good decision? Other than the way she obtainied her army of Unsullied, I can't think of one. SPOILERS: Just go Westeros, young woman! Leave Astapor, Meereen, Qarth, Slaver's Bay; and marrying Hizdahr for peace and sending Jorah Mormont away?? Informer yes, but still trustworthy, as much as Barristan Selmy is. Good thing Mormont likes brothels as much as Tyrion, but that was an indirect consequence.
Mike wrote: "Won't be popular, but my most disliked is Daenerys. Does she ever make a good decision? Other than the way she obtainied her army of Unsullied, I can't think of one. SPOILERS: Just go Westeros, ..."I basically like Daenerys, but I have to agree that she is struggling with decision making, especially in volumes 2 and beyond.
I think this is a trick question. If I name my most hated character, George will surely make him king! Nice try!
Melissa wrote: "I think this is a trick question. If I name my most hated character, George will surely make him king! Nice try!"Good one, Melissa. Also, he'll slowly start to show surprising good qualities making everyone re-evaluate their opinion. Or not.
I hate Cersei, but it's more incompetence and hubris than actual evil; it's a reflection of what I hate in the real world. Thank the Seven that Joffrey and Tywin are dead! After Tyrion killed Tywin I thought to myself "Oh no! Who am I going to hate now?" I want Walder Frey and all his little Freylings to be swallowed up and eaten by the North. I want the Boltons to be flayed but left alive, because they're interesting.
The characters who annoy me the most are Catelyn and Sansa, because they are so rigid.
Actually, one of my favorite hates is Littlefinger. But I think his sliminess comes out more on TV than in the books.
Sansa Stark! She is the most annoying useless idiot in all five books, in all of Westeros and the Free Cities! Cersei is a bitch but does that bitch get her comeuppance! Every single person tries to do something about their situation whether it be right or wrong. All she ever plots to do is something her septa taught her. Hullo!! It is not working! Even little Rickon has a mind and opinion of his own.
Sansa stark. I just can't get on board with her character. Really though I also don't like Jon Snow. I hate reading his chapters. So neither of them.
Cersei, Ramsey, Roose, Frey, and the damned Faceless school, which got little Arya blinded.
Interestingly, every time I read someone else's comments on the character they hate and why, I end up wanting to defend that character; and every time they say they like a character, I start seeing the character's flaws.
Jaime. I know that Martin is trying to convince readers that he really isn't so bad, but he hasn't convinced me. He is truly loathsome. I don't care how much he suffers, it doesn't make up for the horrible things he has done in the past and his threat to murder a child at the siege of Riverrun shows he hasn't really changed a bit. No, he still isn't sympathetic. Just hate him.Now for a boring and useless character, I nominate Sansa Stark. I keep hoping Martin will kill her off.
Catelyn used to be my favorite hate though because of the horrible way she treated Jon, the way she preferred Sansa to Anya and that most of what happened was HER FAULT. Could she possibly do something else wrong? But being turned into a zombie was a pretty big comeuppance so... I don't like her any better but that was a pretty dreadful way to pay for your sins.
Georgi wrote: "Cersei, Ramsey, Roose, Frey, and the damned Faceless school, which got little Arya blinded."Hmmm... it IS a school about assassination? Who knows whats to happen?
I would have to say Ramsay, as everyone else that I hated before have somehow come to pay for their sins in one way or another or has improved a bit (Catelyn- zombification, Cersei- paraded naked through the streets, Sansa- witnessed the death of her father, abused, exploited for her claim, and in the belief that her entire family is dead). So, back to Ramsay, he's a sadist and has the means to torture people to any extent that he wants, the way that he treated Theon, and how he raped "Arya" (sorry, cant remember her name. his character just completely sickens me.
Have to agree that Ramsay is sickening. I don't know. He is just so below contempt though. And I tend to forget that I hate ALL the Freys.
Jayne Poole is the Arya wanna be, I believe she was a Stark banner man's child...
I can't pick one, so I limit myself to two. 1: Theon Greyjoy-His chapters are extremely tedious and I have had enough of Reek rhymes with freak, rhymes with....Ackkkk!
2: Ramsay Bolton-I can't stand this loathsome character and hope he meets a nasty end soon!
I find these comments fascinating because everyone has such different takes on these characters and who they like, hate, and find boring. I think it just shows how rich the books are to elicit such varying opinions. I like Catelyn Stark despite her flaws, and was surprised to find how many people hate her. I find Theon Greyjoy's chapters riveting and loved Martin's use of rhyme in them, which some people found annoying. This thread is really intriguing to me.
Joffery I feel sorry for, but I also hate. Theon I have the same dilema with, he's a spoiled little...you know what. His crimes are horrifying, but like joffery, he was raised in a frustrating position, constantly put down by family, and raised in a land that took everything he loved away. then there's Walter Frey, he can go die in a hole. OH! I feel like the only one who feels this way, but Cat. God do I hate Cat. The way she treats Jon, and her attittude twoards things. I know it's mean of me, but ugh!
No, I don't think it's mean of you. For one thing, not only was she mean to Jon (and to some degree to Anya), but too much of what happened was set off by her stupid actions. But she meets such a horrendous fate, I don't exactly forgive her but it does make me feel like she has been punished about as much as it is possible to punish someone.
Let's not forget Littlefinger; the main orchestrator of the Lannister's VS the Starks, with that loony sister of Catelyn's as his accomplice.
Rebecca wrote: "Let's not forget Littlefinger; the main orchestrator of the Lannister's VS the Starks, with that loony sister of Catelyn's as his accomplice."I actually like Littlefinger, granted his obsession with Sansa can turn ugly, he always uses his brains to get his way, while people like Frey just lie and cheat.
I totally agree with Rose. Littlefinger is intriguing, even more so in HBO. I love the actor that plays him. Meanwhile I want Walter Frey to get the justice he deserves.
I think Littlefinger could give the devil a run for his money with his ability to lie and manipulate others for the sole purpose of his own gain, or simply to play games irrespective of the damage he does to others; but then again the man has no conscience. But that aside, I enjoy reading about a good villain and he is certainly that! As for the actor, he does a brilliant job, but so do they all in bringing to life these complex characters. I can't wait for the next book and Season 4 of GOT.
I can't wait for season 3 to come on DVD. I've missed so much D: I've got all the books, but with so many dispacble characters, i'd love to see how the actors handle it.
Totally agree, Rebecca! Litterfinger is fascinating, and he has absolutely no conscience. It will be very interesting to see what happens between him and Sansa. I'd really like Sansa to grow up fast and play Littlefinger back in kind, but I am sure that is just wishful thinking.
Karen wrote: "Totally agree, Rebecca! Litterfinger is fascinating, and he has absolutely no conscience. It will be very interesting to see what happens between him and Sansa. I'd really like Sansa to grow up fa..."I think there are many of us who'd like to see the rather ditzy Sansa actually make a stand and DO something! Great Kudo's to Sophie Turner for in the TV show, I am sympathetic to her, but in the books, she bores me silly!;)
Once again, I agree! Sansa is the one Stark I do not like in the books.
Ramsay Bolton, Qyburn, Viserys, Tywin, Joffrey, Cersei, Sansa, Littlefinger, Robin Arryn, Robert Baratheon, all of the Tullys but the Blackfish...
I don't understand all of the hate for Walder Frey. The Freys are the only family in the Bolton/Frey/Lannister alliance that has any justifiable reason for being so foul. They are the white trash Lords of Westeros and all of the other families have looked down on them for a very long time. I'm sure they have many good reasons to want revenge...
Also, Roose Bolton seems kinda stuck with Ramsay, who has slain all of his other children and will probably slay all of his children he has with his new wife. He's definitely a creepy guy, but is not like Ramsay, who is possibly the most vile character in the books thus far (along with Qyburn)...
I don't understand all of the hate for Walder Frey. The Freys are the only family in the Bolton/Frey/Lannister alliance that has any justifiable reason for being so foul. They are the white trash Lords of Westeros and all of the other families have looked down on them for a very long time. I'm sure they have many good reasons to want revenge...
Also, Roose Bolton seems kinda stuck with Ramsay, who has slain all of his other children and will probably slay all of his children he has with his new wife. He's definitely a creepy guy, but is not like Ramsay, who is possibly the most vile character in the books thus far (along with Qyburn)...
It's believed that GRRM got the idea of the 'red wedding' from a lot of historical shit but mostly 'The Black Dinner' where I think a Douglas was invited by the king under a flag of truce to eat & parle, but at the end they killed Douglas. That event went down in historical infamy & it happened dinner, let alone a friggin wedding??! Are u really not sure why people don't like the Freys or are u being contrary or trolling?
Don't get me wrong, war is hell & like Tywin ruthlessly alluded to, he didn't do it with his own hands & probably saved the lives of many of his own troops & other Northmen by helping set that event up... But to not understand the hate it generates due to the traditional guest rites is just being delusional :P
Oh, & Walder Frey likes to bang lil girls under the age of 15 or 14, another positive redeeming pedophiliac trait LoL
Gordon wrote: "It's believed that GRRM got the idea of the 'red wedding' from a lot of historical shit but mostly 'The Black Dinner' where I think a Douglas was invited by the king under a flag of truce to eat & ..."
I don't dig Walder Frey by any means. I was just saying that the Freys are not anywhere near as nasty as the Boltons or the Lannisters. They actually have reasons for wanting the Starks dead. They are not just grasping for power like the Boltons and Lannisters...
Anyways, making assumptions about me based on what I think of some characters in some books is delusional...
I don't dig Walder Frey by any means. I was just saying that the Freys are not anywhere near as nasty as the Boltons or the Lannisters. They actually have reasons for wanting the Starks dead. They are not just grasping for power like the Boltons and Lannisters...
Anyways, making assumptions about me based on what I think of some characters in some books is delusional...
Gordon wrote: "Oh, & Walder Frey likes to bang lil girls under the age of 15 or 14, another positive redeeming pedophiliac trait LoL"
So did everyone in the Bible, but people love those guys...
So did everyone in the Bible, but people love those guys...
Touchy... That's why there's a smiley face but regardless, ur words were "I don't understand"... Sooo ur point about the bible means what about pedophilia? Forget it, totally off thread...
Gotta say that Jon Snow really isn't my favorite, I might go so far as to say I dislike him the most. I just can't get into his character, too pouty and Whitney for my taste. Or, maybe that it's my dislike for the Starks that fuels my dislike of Jon.
Gordon wrote: "Touchy... That's why there's a smiley face but regardless, ur words were "I don't understand"...
Sooo ur point about the bible means what about pedophilia? Forget it, totally off thread..."
My point was that, if you condemn Walder Frey for digging 14 year olds, then you are condemning Biblical figures for doing the same. You view Walder negatively for his taste in women, so what do you think of all the grown men in the Bible who took girls who had just gotten their period as brides? You are applying today's morals to a different world/time period when people did not live nearly as long and were probably motivated to beget as many children as possible before they died in battle or from disease at the ripe old age of 30...
Sooo ur point about the bible means what about pedophilia? Forget it, totally off thread..."
My point was that, if you condemn Walder Frey for digging 14 year olds, then you are condemning Biblical figures for doing the same. You view Walder negatively for his taste in women, so what do you think of all the grown men in the Bible who took girls who had just gotten their period as brides? You are applying today's morals to a different world/time period when people did not live nearly as long and were probably motivated to beget as many children as possible before they died in battle or from disease at the ripe old age of 30...
Brooklyn wrote: "Gotta say that Jon Snow really isn't my favorite, I might go so far as to say I dislike him the most. I just can't get into his character, too pouty and Whitney for my taste. Or, maybe that it's my..."
I am also not a Jon Snow fan, although I think he is one of the only real heroes in the book...
I am also not a Jon Snow fan, although I think he is one of the only real heroes in the book...
No, I listed why I think Frey is a scumbag which u said u didnt understand. I could care less if u agree or disagree. I never said anything 'personal' about u except that it's delusional not to realize reasons why people might hate him? If u want to compare the bible to ASOIAF, I wouldn't know where to begin? But yes, I would consider a man whose pushing 50 having multiple teenage brides (what like more than 9? I forgot the exact #) a bit creepy regardless of the time or book. How about we agree that u took what I wrote waaaay too seriously if it means me apologizing, plus it's over 1 series of books I love & another book I could care less about, considering how much it was pushed on me during childhood, no one cares.
Gordon wrote: "No, I listed why I think Frey is a scumbag which u said u didnt understand. I could care less if u agree or disagree. I never said anything 'personal' about u except that it's delusional not to rea..."
I'm not a Christian, but I have read the Bible. I wasn't pissed off, just trying to have a rational argument...
Anyways, Robb slighted Walder Frey and lost his support, so I was laughing at all of the stuff Walder Frey was saying at the Red Wedding. The only problem I had with the scene is that Robb got the Mormont women killed...
I'm not a Christian, but I have read the Bible. I wasn't pissed off, just trying to have a rational argument...
Anyways, Robb slighted Walder Frey and lost his support, so I was laughing at all of the stuff Walder Frey was saying at the Red Wedding. The only problem I had with the scene is that Robb got the Mormont women killed...
Like I said I can understand someone not thinking he's the worst cuz Ramsey is hard to top, & like I said it wasn't just Frey but Bolton & Lannister as the main conspirators of the Red Wedding. There was foreshadowing of bad tides to happen to Robb since marrying Jeyne, who was considered 'lowborn' adding insult to broken oaths, but Frey actually doing it during a time when guest rite was widely accepted. I think it only foreshadows Freys coming demise for minimizing the act he committed, but who knows, GRRM could kill off everyone & make him king, I just want 'TWOW' to come out already!!!
Gordon wrote: "Like I said I can understand someone not thinking he's the worst cuz Ramsey is hard to top, & like I said it wasn't just Frey but Bolton & Lannister as the main conspirators of the Red Wedding. The..."
Me too. I'm so stoked to read it. I'm just not a Stark guy. I would follow Stannis Baratheon if I lived in Westeros and had the choice. I found it difficult to care about Robb and his bannermen dieing (except for the Mormonts). The idea that they could make up for their crapping on the Freys by giving them Edmure Tully is ridiculous. Edmure is an idiot. I would have been doubly offended if I was a Frey. Anyways, I hope the Freys don't get annihilated. Someone is going to have to keep the Others from crossing that bridge. I think Westeros will need the Freys in the future and the people who dislike them now will change their tune...
Me too. I'm so stoked to read it. I'm just not a Stark guy. I would follow Stannis Baratheon if I lived in Westeros and had the choice. I found it difficult to care about Robb and his bannermen dieing (except for the Mormonts). The idea that they could make up for their crapping on the Freys by giving them Edmure Tully is ridiculous. Edmure is an idiot. I would have been doubly offended if I was a Frey. Anyways, I hope the Freys don't get annihilated. Someone is going to have to keep the Others from crossing that bridge. I think Westeros will need the Freys in the future and the people who dislike them now will change their tune...
I'm hoping someone else take over the twins, even Bolton, mostly because there isn't any Frey who I like, of has a significant POV? I mean grandpa Frey is ruthless but all his bastards & tru borns get slaughtered cuz they aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.. If Westetos has to put its peoples lives in the hands of the Freys they are SOL cuz u know the others are going to get thru the wall, we need a strong force at the twins to repel the others IMO, even the 'new' Jamie Lannister is a POV I love reading now when I despised him at 1st, even tho the whole incest thing is so much more creepy than young women lol... But now he's changed & learning how to fight with his left but I have this serious depressing thought GRRM might eliminate his arc early in the next book.. Hope not..
Cersei. I hate her so much xD
Gordon wrote: "I'm hoping someone else take over the twins, even Bolton, mostly because there isn't any Frey who I like, of has a significant POV? I mean grandpa Frey is ruthless but all his bastards & tru borns..."
I never hated Jamie and can't say that I like him now, but I am way more interested in the character since he had his dream and went back to rescue Brienne from the bear...
Ya. The Freys are not too bright as a whole, but Walder Frey is very sharp. Anyways, who could possibly defend the Twins better than the family who built them?
I actually respect Walder Frey for including his bastards. The Starks wouldn't do that for Jon Snow. The Starks would rather have Theon Greyjoy sit with them than Jon Snow. So Freys +1, Starks -1...
I never hated Jamie and can't say that I like him now, but I am way more interested in the character since he had his dream and went back to rescue Brienne from the bear...
Ya. The Freys are not too bright as a whole, but Walder Frey is very sharp. Anyways, who could possibly defend the Twins better than the family who built them?
I actually respect Walder Frey for including his bastards. The Starks wouldn't do that for Jon Snow. The Starks would rather have Theon Greyjoy sit with them than Jon Snow. So Freys +1, Starks -1...
It's a strong possibility Jon is not part of Ned's immediate family, the Frey's just have quantity, no quality, Robb had to be killed by other means cuz he never lost a battle yet due to strategic prowess, Jon is a warg & could very well be from a VERY powerful background, Arya is so kick ass she's choosing if she 'wants' to be a faceless men, Cat is undead like Baric leading the BWB, Bran is one of the most powerful wargs in all of Westetos, I guarantee Rickon will be powerful when he finally pops up again, & if Sansa can grow spine she could own winter fell & the Eriey because everyone else in her family is assumed dead, I'd say the Starks are +4 without including Sansa, my $$ would be on a stark over any Frey, any day.. The Starks are part of the First Men in Westeros since Bran the builder & the age of Heros, Starks are keepers of the North, better recognize!! LoL...
& Theon was a character I hated!! I knew he was going to betray the Starks who brought him up & showed him respect like one of their own, & it was mostly Cat who dissed Jon, everyone else in that family loved Jon, Esp Ned, Robb & Arya, that's why the betrayal was so messed up...
I mean Theons betrayal... The cell phone is a PITA, Jon was loved by Ned & even Benjen altho they kinda let him find out what the brotherhood was on his own, I wonder if Jon would haves taken the black if he knew his brothers would be rapists, murderers, thieves, & a shell of what it once was...
Gordon wrote: "It's a strong possibility Jon is not part of Ned's immediate family, the Frey's just have quantity, no quality, Robb had to be killed by other means cuz he never lost a battle yet due to strategic ..."
I'm just saying they would rather share their table with Theon Greyjoy than Jon Snow. Robb lost the North to the Iron Islanders partly because he trusted Theon. Then he lost the war because Edmure Tully stopped Tywin's forces from heading west to meet Robb's army. And he loses the Freys because he broke his promise to them while they fought at his side. The Starks had it coming...
Anyways, Bran is my favorite Stark and one of my 4 favorite characters. I say 4 cuz I count he and Hodor as 1. It's not like I hate the Starks. I'm definitely not a Catelyn or Sansa fan. Catelyn wrecked her family and Sansa is totally worthless. She doesn't even care when Dontos the Red gets killed. I think Sansa may be in a worse situation with Littlefinger than she was in King's Landing. Littlefinger is patterned after a character named Steerpike from the Gormenghast novels by Mervyn Peake. Check them out...
I'm just saying they would rather share their table with Theon Greyjoy than Jon Snow. Robb lost the North to the Iron Islanders partly because he trusted Theon. Then he lost the war because Edmure Tully stopped Tywin's forces from heading west to meet Robb's army. And he loses the Freys because he broke his promise to them while they fought at his side. The Starks had it coming...
Anyways, Bran is my favorite Stark and one of my 4 favorite characters. I say 4 cuz I count he and Hodor as 1. It's not like I hate the Starks. I'm definitely not a Catelyn or Sansa fan. Catelyn wrecked her family and Sansa is totally worthless. She doesn't even care when Dontos the Red gets killed. I think Sansa may be in a worse situation with Littlefinger than she was in King's Landing. Littlefinger is patterned after a character named Steerpike from the Gormenghast novels by Mervyn Peake. Check them out...
