Struggling Writers discussion

106 views
*Archives * > Abandoning A Character

Comments Showing 1-50 of 52 (52 new)    post a comment »
« previous 1

message 1: by Bets (new)

Bets (betsdavies) | 85 comments If you can consider getting rid of a character half way through the book, you need to seriously think about why that character exists. Every character must fulfill their own roll. If this character gets halfway through the book and doesn't have a roll, something is really wrong. Did this character ever have a roll? Should you just get rid of the Bad Character entirely? Scratch them from the book? Should you retweek their personality (from the beginning--not changing them bad halfway through) so that it is a more filled out character you won't get sick of?

If the character has a vital role, shouldn't we just keep writing that character even if we are sick of them? Writing's not all fun and games after all.


message 2: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments CicadaGrrl wrote: "If you can consider getting rid of a character half way through the book, you need to seriously think about why that character exists. Every character must fulfill their own roll. If this charact..."

Isn't that why some characters die? Because the character does not inspire the writer to continue?


message 3: by Bets (new)

Bets (betsdavies) | 85 comments No. Characters die because it enhances your plot or your characters. Because the only thing that makes sense in your book.


message 4: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments CicadaGrrl wrote: "No. Characters die because it enhances your plot or your characters. Because the only thing that makes sense in your book."

I remember reading a quote by Jilly Cooper, writers beware, don't be in to much of a hurry to kill of your characters, because you never know when you might need them again. And contrary to belief your reads will remember he died four books previously, a bit like Bobby Ewing in Dallas!

So now I am economic with my hatchet, my expirees were created to expire at a certain point in my book to enhance the plot. But sometimes one character will annoy me, and will have to go! My fault for making a bad decision over the name or not trusting the numerology chart when it said it wouldn't work!


message 5: by Sam (new)

Sam (lit-brit) Coma!!! Some horrendous event could place him/her in a coma, and then when you need some assistance or a spark, they can awaken!!!

Just a silly thought :)


message 6: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Sam wrote: "Coma!!! Some horrendous event could place him/her in a coma, and then when you need some assistance or a spark, they can awaken!!!

Just a silly thought :)"


It's not silly that's a good idea, another one would be cryogenics!


message 7: by Sam (new)

Sam (lit-brit) Ooooooh.....I love the Cryogenics idea Sarah!!!! Especially if it's a sci-fi novel :)


message 8: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Sam wrote: "Ooooooh.....I love the Cryogenics idea Sarah!!!! Especially if it's a sci-fi novel :)"

It could be used any way you wanted to, you could have a serial killer committed to the cryogenics programme as punishment and something go wrong and bring him back two hundred years into the future or the governments lease on the cabinet ran out and they weren't willing to continue paying they said to destroy it but the message was misunderstood? Take it run with it if you like, I don't do sci fi.

I have enough problems with a serial killer who has multiple personalities he's into his Lancelot period now! He was the predator before! He killed 10 girls under this guise and now he's morphing into Sir Lancelot knight of the round table of King Arthur and lover of queen Guinevere! I really must see a trick cyclist, I must be wrongly wired up somewhere!


message 9: by Sam (new)

Sam (lit-brit) Sarah R.....I think your Lancelot personality serial killer novel sounds rather good!! But I do agree with a wiring problem somewhere ;) LOL

I wish I wrote Sci-Fi just so I could go with cryogenics but alas, I do not, and I don't think I have the brain for it either!!! Then again after the amount of rejections I am getting from literary agents maybe my brain is not for writing at all!!!! LOL ;)


message 10: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Sam wrote: "Sarah R.....I think your Lancelot personality serial killer novel sounds rather good!! But I do agree with a wiring problem somewhere ;) LOL

I wish I wrote Sci-Fi just so I could go with cryoge..."


Do what I did put the agent finding on hold give your next book your best shot send it off to Raider in New York, they are the best value for money if you have to go it alone or have a look at the crowd Tina is promoting they give out advances if the work is of the required standard.

I will get my book out there then I can use it to batter the Agents into submission sooner or later one of them will take pity on me!


message 11: by Kelli (new)

Kelli (kelli4321) Sam wrote: "Sarah R.....I think your Lancelot personality serial killer novel sounds rather good!! But I do agree with a wiring problem somewhere ;) LOL

I wish I wrote Sci-Fi just so I could go with cryoge..."


I know all about the difficulties finding a literary agent. Stick with it. There are so many agents out there one of them is bound to realize what a gem your writing is ;)


message 12: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Kelli wrote: "Sam wrote: "Sarah R.....I think your Lancelot personality serial killer novel sounds rather good!! But I do agree with a wiring problem somewhere ;) LOL

I wish I wrote Sci-Fi just so I could go w..."


Finding an Agent to take on an unknown is akin to finding hens' teeth. Rare as hell!


message 13: by J.L. (new)

J.L. Murphey (JLMurphey) | 27 comments Jessica wrote: "Hi everyone! I need some help. :(

How do you get rid of a character in a novel without killing them off or making them move away? Those actions are so typical and sometimies horrible. I hate whe..."


Jessica,
What type of novel/genre/time frame?


message 14: by Kelli (new)

Kelli (kelli4321) Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sam wrote: "Sarah R.....I think your Lancelot personality serial killer novel sounds rather good!! But I do agree with a wiring problem somewhere ;) LOL

I wish I wrote Sci-Fi just s..."


lol! I'm learning this! Publishers don't want me because I'm not agented and agents don't want me because I'm not published!


message 15: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sam wrote: "Sarah R.....I think your Lancelot personality serial killer novel sounds rather good!! But I do agree with a wiring problem somewhere ;) LOL

I wish I wro..."


And they wonder why writers are paranoid! I figured the best thing to do was to publish my first novel myself and then waft it under the noses of the Agents and publishers and hope someone feels sorry for me!


message 16: by Kelli (new)

Kelli (kelli4321) Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sam wrote: "Sarah R.....I think your Lancelot personality serial killer novel sounds rather good!! But I do agree with a wiring problem somewhere ;) LOL..."

I've been seriously considering self-publishing especially in this e-reader day and age when doing so is pretty easy but I'm a little torn about it. I think I'm going to put in a few more hours of hunting for an Agent before I make a decision. Let me know how it works for you though, maybe that will sway me... :)


message 17: by Irene (new)

Irene (wingdesilverii) | 2500 comments The coma, cyrogencienes (i know i mispelled it), being called away for a family emergency, split personalities, the good/ evil twist, and the long time illness are all really good ideas (i don't think i frogot any) and i have a couple that might work. They got kidnapped, take a business trip, or you could put a twist by bringing up something from thier past.


message 18: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sam wrote: "Sarah R.....I think your Lancelot personality serial killer novel sounds rather good!! But I do agree with a wiring problem ..."

Okay Kelli will do so far they have been really helpful my editor gave me some sound advice I am waiting for my cover now a friend did several designs and I am letting them choose the best one for the book!


message 19: by Kelli (new)

Kelli (kelli4321) Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sam wrote: "Sarah R.....I think your Lancelot personality serial killer novel sounds rather good!! But I do agree with a w..."

That sounds so exciting!


message 20: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sam wrote: "Sarah R.....I think your Lancelot personality serial killer novel sounds rather good!! But I d..."
It is frightening too!


message 21: by Kelli (new)

Kelli (kelli4321) Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sarah R wrote: "Kelli wrote: "Sam wrote: "Sarah R.....I think your Lancelot personality serial killer novel sounds rather g..."

I bet lol


message 22: by Haley (new)

Haley | 46 comments If you really don't like a character, maybe try deleting their existence from the book. Sometimes characters that annoy us are essential to the book and you want them to stay around, but if you grow tired of them, you can always get rid of them if you want. I've experienced characters I've grown to dislike too, so I understand. :)


 Soph - Lock&Key | 4 comments hi everyone i was wondering if you could help me. There is something wrong with the prologue of the new story I am writing and I was wondering if you guys could help, i think it is to repative

heres the link :)

http://www.goodreads.com/story/show/2...


message 24: by Editio (new)

Editio  (editiomedia) | 16 comments You could have the character get in a fight with another character and not want to be around anymore.
My other question is, do you really need the character in the first place? if your willing to get rid of them, then maybe you don't need them.


message 25: by Irene (new)

Irene (wingdesilverii) | 2500 comments Jessica wrote: "Me too.

And I did need them at first. Now I don't want the character there anymore."


Try rewritting your story or kill off the characters and see how it plays out.


message 26: by Kelli (new)

Kelli (kelli4321) Jessica wrote: "Well Irene I can't write without the character because they play a crucial part of the book, but after that part they're basically useless to me."

Make them useful. :)


message 27: by Irene (new)

Irene (wingdesilverii) | 2500 comments Can you wirite the story so they play thier part and then die but it's attached to the story line?


message 28: by Sarah (last edited Aug 29, 2011 07:35PM) (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments They are your bit players, they have a few lines or so think of the extras they use in films and that would be their equivalent.

Be careful about killing too many characters off, you never know when you may need them! And contrary to what you may think people will remember them especially if you try to reincarnate them in another book, kill only the necessary people ie murder victims which were always going to die!


message 29: by Sarah (last edited Sep 04, 2011 09:57AM) (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Hello all I need a little help here too and I am relying on you guys to give me your opinion my book cover is up on my photos and so is another I did a quick make up of because I wasn't sure! Opinions please help,Ingrid, Jessica all of you!

One problem they got my name wrong on the cover, but at least it hasn't gone to print yet!


message 30: by Irene (new)

Irene (wingdesilverii) | 2500 comments I like the one with three mothers on the front :)


message 31: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Irene wrote: "I like the one with three mothers on the front :)"

Okay thats good can I ask what type of book you would expect to be under this cover?


message 32: by Irene (new)

Irene (wingdesilverii) | 2500 comments One about three moms, mabey on thier own maybe not, about thier journy through thier pregcany and thier support for each other if they know each other.


Firestormkittycat I agree with Irene!!


message 34: by Sarah (last edited Sep 05, 2011 03:00AM) (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Irene wrote: "One about three moms, mabey on thier own maybe not, about thier journy through thier pregcany and thier support for each other if they know each other."

Mmm thats what I was afraid of when I saw the cover, the book is about Cally, Sarah, and Dawn. Cally is five months pregnant when she finds out so termination isn't an option, she never wanted children this is a catastrophy for her, which only gets worse when she finds out she is having twins!

Her friend Sarah embarks on an affair with a luscious Frenchman while unbeknown to her her husband has been having an affair for 15 years with Dawn. She finds out she is pregnant but there are complications nothing is quite what it seems.

When the twins are born they are fraternal but one is younger by three weeks than the other and their fathers are two different people!

Oops luscious Frenchman does the same thing to Sarah as he did to Cally and she too ends up pregnant, lets hope no one twigs to the problem!

It is a lighthearted look at life which never goes according to the once upon a time version and whatever can go wrong will and then some!


Firestormkittycat I think that could work. I mean, there's three women and they're all pregnant!


message 36: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Jessica wrote: "Hi Sarah!

I checked out the cover (and commented on it.) I pretty much agree with Irene in the sense of what I thought the book would be by judging it by its cover. You mentioned that that was wha..."


Okay you are convincing me I was just worried that people would mistake it for a non fiction book on how to get pregnant!


Firestormkittycat Well, some people would cuz some people are like that, but most people wouldn't I think.


message 38: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Jessica wrote: "I wouldn't. I saw it and honestly, I didn't really read that big paragraph you wrote about the book up there, I skimmed through it. And I thought that the book would be about pregnancy, but I didn'..."

Thanks its growing on me I liked it then I didn't now I'm thinking maybe its good to go, not very decisive am I!


message 39: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Jessica wrote: "LOL. Well, I think it's great! When's it getting published?"

Probably as soon as I stop dithering about the cover! LOL


message 40: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Jessica wrote: "You can do whatever you want with the cover, but I think you should leave it as it is"

Okay thanks Jessica I think I will do just that as everyone seems to like it!


message 41: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Weldon (sarahrweldon-author) | 6045 comments Jessica wrote: "I'm not a published author (as if!), but I assume it's natural to second guess yourself and your writing"

This is my first so I am naturally apprehensive of how the book will be received. That coupled with the adage you can't judge a book by its cover! But people do exactly that!


message 42: by Christina (new)

Christina (EricaJae) | 6 comments I'm too lazy to read through all the comments so ignore if someone already posted this.
I would have them pick a fight with another character. Not physical but something big, almost explosive. That way you're free of the character, have a minor situation to play around with, and it'll keep all your readers interested.
Hope it helps:)


message 43: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) Hey, you could make them just disappear on some island or something.....bad ideas....I have tons of them.


message 44: by [deleted user] (new)

So I was thinking that if you want to get rid of a character maybe you could have the character get a terrible sickness and then they have to be in a hospital or something like that...


My idea is bad!!


message 45: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) Not as bad as mine.


message 46: by Irene (new)

Irene (wingdesilverii) | 2500 comments Sarah R wrote: "Jessica wrote: "I'm not a published author (as if!), but I assume it's natural to second guess yourself and your writing"

This is my first so I am naturally apprehensive of how the book will be re..."


The only books I accidentally do that with are books with really romancy or bloodly covers


message 47: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) I hate that sort of cover because if the story under the cover is really good I feel really weird carrying it around with me, like for instance: The Dream Factory, it has a hot pink cover with the name on the front and it's that type of cover that doesn't come off so I was at the gym doing laps with a hot pink book telling the world that I liked hot pink books.


message 48: by [deleted user] (new)

Iiterally have a REALLY violent scene! Murdered pr run over by a car!


message 49: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) Yes, I agree with you totally..


message 50: by Lavinia (new)

Lavinia Thompson (lavinia_thompson) | 8 comments I read a quote somewhere and I can't remember who said it: "When in doubt, have a character walk in the room with a gun."

You know, I've never had this problem..I always have characters who do things on their own will- like kill a villain. (Good times.) Only thing I can think of reconsidering why that character is in the story in the first place. My problem is controlling my characters- they randomly go off and do something I didn't have planned. It gets frustrating...in my Spellbound series, the first book, I had a pirate as a secondary character but his story became so fascinating that he became the main character in my sequel. I guess that's what I get for having a pirate in the story!


« previous 1
back to top