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What did Twilight have that other vampire romances didn’t?

In my opinion, absolutely nothing. Pure luck is all its boiled down to. She was in the right place at the right time.
The publishing world needed a rival for the unprecedented claim Harry Potter had on the tween/teen market. Plus Potter is a boy hero. They needed a heroine to keep the scales balanced. Politics. At least that's my theory.
I tried to read the first book of the series and couldn't get into it. I grudgingly watched the films at the behest of my 12 yr old niece and enjoyed them well enough even though I don't care for the lead actress (or any of her love interests for that matter).







As I said I think one of the things that appealed was the ordinary heroine combined with the very desirable dangerous hero who was always one step away from killing her because he was so tempted, yet his love was more powerful and he resisted the temptation.
That repelled me and creeped me out because it seemed to me to suggest that a lot of teen girls crave a guy who could hurt them. Perhaps not in real life but in fantasy?
The book seemed to me to be giving the message to teen girls that its fine to trust someone who warns you he might abuse you as long as he is hot.
Still, yes I get the point about the miracle of first love, the appeal of the forbidden love and the first stirrings of lust. it's a very clean romance.

Before Twilight, vampire books tended to have adult themes. Furthermore, the big initial surge was with the epublishers, on the Internet.
So the publishers of Twilight found a vampire book for teens that had some tropes that to the reader of vampire books were well-worn, even tired, and, (this is the light bulb) marketed to people not readily conversant with the Internet.
There are lots of them, and we who have regular access tend to overlook that. The author is a non extremist Mormon, so appeals to "good people" and could be seen as slightly naughty, but not that naughty.
Clever marketing.
Personally, I detested it because of the creepy stalker hero and the clueless, passive-aggressive heroine, and the clunky writing. But to people who hadn't come across Sherrilyn Kenyon, Anne Rice and JR Ward (who had by then broken through to the mainstream) or people who didn't want too much sexorring in their books, Twilight came as a revelation. It also has underlying Christian themes and a moral base people who might be doubtful of the other authors could feel safe with.

I think you nailed it, Lisa.

Lmao!
I remember reading that scene for the first time. My face was like O_O and then I just lol'd for so long after that. Seriously though, I think the sparkly factor has immortalised the Twilight saga (Haha, I made a punny!). No other author would dare to do this to their vampires xD
I think it just got popular because of the movies really. Like it was popular like any teen vampire book was before the movies, but the reason it became major was purly because of the movies in my opinion

I also think the movies helped a lot, even if the books were hugely popular before the movies it kind of helped sky rocket them into everyone's bookshelves.

From Wiki: "Twilight was published in 2005 with a print run of 75,000 copies. It debuted at #5 on the New York Times Best Seller list within a month of its release, and later peaked at #1. Foreign rights to the novel were sold to over 26 countries.
In October 2008, Twilight was ranked #26 in USA Today's list of "Bestselling Books of Last 15 Years". Later, the book went on to become the best-selling book of 2008.


I think that, like a lot of other people, Twilight was the first paranormal romance I have ever read. It was something new - dark, forbidden, with a wonderful love triangle to boot. It was new and exciting and we just gobbled it up.
For me, it was the elemtent of finding my reading passion again, mingled with a new book concept ( vampires, warewolves, etc...) along with a great story line that did it for me. I love this series, as well has her Host Novel...
I think Twilight will always hold a special place in my heart.
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I don't believe that it is merely the hype and the merchandising (even though this probably helps) because both series were popular with readers before all of the commercialization (the first HP movie only came out around the time of the 4th book, for example).
I also think that both authors are skillful writers who put a lot of detail into their worlds. This may be why these books succeeded where others failed. Ursula Le Guin, for instance, had a school for wizards long before HP, but her writing did not "speak" to the younger generation or to a wider audience while Rowling's did.

From Wiki: "Twilight was published in 2005..."
Terry, the book having been published in 05, and the first movie coming out in 08 sounds pretty film industry standard to me. It actually means the rights to the books were probably sold at or just after publication since three years is more or less the norm for developing a film project from concept to it been on the screen in theatres. Of course, some projects may take less time, others may they take more time, but on average 3 years, especially when it comes to adaptations, is pretty normal.
As for why Twilight appeals ... I actually can relate to the idea that its because of the all consuming feeling of first love that the novel reminds us (the older generation) off. For me, even though I hated the writing, it certainly helped that the book was a romance, and that the story paralleled my own life somewhat. I met and fell in love with the hubs when we both were in high school. So thinking back to days when I'd get butterflies in my stomach and my knees would turn to putty ... yeah those were good times and I wanted to like the book for that reason. Unfortunately it didn't work out because of the poor writing.
Nevertheless, I still think Meyer's success is mostly due to luck for as the OP pointed out other more talented authors have done it and done it better. I don't buy the argument that these authors weren't able to connect with younger readers. I recently read an article in the NY Times that said, according to publishing figures, Vampire Diaries is at least as popular as Twilight, but of course with the exception that it wasn't subjected to the wide levels of commercialization as Twilight was.
I also do believe that the Harry Potter books helped to drive Twilight's popularity. Publishers saw the smash hit that was Harry Potter and sought to court a segment of the market they'd largely underestimated with additional tween/teen merchandise.
Furthermore, Harry Potter was successful before the movies, yes, but it was the movies that propel the books and JK Rowlings into an international phenomena.

Bella is ALWAYS saved by Edward.
Bella's whole life revolves around Edward.(get a life)
Edward's perfection is described too many times.(We get it.He's hot!)
Unlike other characters...he's flaw-less..
Mr. Sparkles watches Bella sleep?
And rather then screaming "STALKER"...She just says "Did you hear my sleeptalk?"
Well.... Splaklie Vampires.(That's just wrong.)
Victoria's head being ripped in front of Bella and she reacts "really" calmly..
He loves her because she smells good... Yummm.. now that's different!!!

Why was Twilight different? I believe it can be boiled down to nothing more than primitive instinct—Absolute, unmitigated, true, dare I say obsessive love. Putting aside that he is hot and she is “plain” and they are in high school. We as a species want to be loved, and want to love back, unconditionally. We want instant connection, to find our soul mate, and most of all passion. And there’s no denying that Twilight had passion.
Twilight speaks to our baser instincts.
This is why, like Jane Austen’s Pride and prejudice, Twilight will be mimicked for years to come.


The guy breaks into her house and watches her sleep. And she is not freaked out by this. WTF????
In my opinion Twilight has nothing overly special about it and is really such a big hit because it has been made into a movie. Also the target audience of early teens and the HEA and everything works out for Bella and she gets her flawless BF...It all just makes my gag! She needs a life, a job, a personality of her own!

Very well said.


I think that, like a lot of other people, Twilight was the first paranormal romance I have ever read. It w..."
I'm with Kelleigh, Twilight saga holds a special place in my heart. It introduced me to paranormal romance, rekindled my love for reading which lead me to GOODREADS where I met so many friends and adviced to other great reads. I'm unstoppable, esp after BDB, I never looked back.

The wide popularity of the books is due to a number of factors as outlined here by many. People are enthralled by the story of the all consuming, everlasting, fantastical love, certainly not Meyer's ability as a writer (just read the reviews). Therefore, many fans are perhaps willing to continue reading for the sake of the love story rather than any real talent the author has at retaining readership. Once the Twilight series ended, many people jumped shipped. Just look at how Meyer's The Host has done. To my knowledge, The Host has been able to achieved only modest sales. The underwhelming results would have been quite an achievement for an average, small time writer, but for a big timer like Meyers, it's telling. When you don't have a compelling story, your skill as writer can save you and vice versa. When you have neither, you'll sink.


Lmao!
I remember reading that scene for the first time. My face was like O_O and then I just lol'd for so long after that. Seriousl..."
haha i agree :)

I think that, like a lot of other people, Twilight was the first paranormal romance I hav..."
I could copy your post word for word. I loved reading when I was younger, and after having kids and being a grown up, it seemed I didn't have time any more. One of my friend gave me the whole Twilight series and said 'read them.' I ignored life for a week, and reread the series again when I finished. It reminded me how much I love fiction, introduced me to the paranormal genre, and made me realize how much I need to read. I think it will always be one of my favorite series now, regardless whether I've read books that I've liked better since then. I can't imagine what I would do without my bookshelves/nook/library. What a boring life, to never have the fantasy that comes with reading!

Why the series holds a special place in my heart? It got me reading again after 10 yrs of not reading. Since then I've gotten back to reading the regular romances I use to read and discovered a whole new world in PNR and UF. Is the series a reread for me, no. By book three I was kind of tired of both Bella and Edward. By book 4 I started skipping a lot of pages trying to get to the point. If I had never read the book and decided to do so now after reading all the other PNR and UF books I've read in the last 3 year would I? Probably not. I'm not really much for YA and this book would probably come across as a little too young for me, but I am happy I gave it a chance when I did.

Meanwhile, I loved the Host. I loved how relaxed and slow it was when the aliens were just being aliens and how the world got all turned around when she was with the humans. I liked the characters and enjoyed the story.

I’ve been reading reviews of a lot of paranormal romances on this site and some books sound like they have really inte..."
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I think one of the big reasons that The Twilight Saga stood out was that you aren't just reading about a girl who falls in love. It is written from first-person perspective, so you are Bella. When I read Twilight, I actually fell in LOVE with Edward Cullen. I dreamt about him, I thought about him when I wasn't reading, and I longed to pickup the books and read & read... when I finished the fourth book, I felt a loss. I was actually in a sort-of depression because I was no longer a part of the story I had become obsessed with. I picked up book-1 and re-read them just to fill that void.
All of this I did... after making fun of the Twilight franchise, and laughing at the fool-girls who did this before me...
I have to say though, that I am not a huge fan of the movies. Though the movies are fine... they are NOTHING in comparison to the books. The movies were bred like pop-cinema and marketed to young teens who would think Robert Pattinson (Edward) or Taylor Lautner(Jacob) were "cute"... and they induced a teen-idol TwiMania obsession out of the saga that could make anyone puke... The books are NOT to be compared, in my opinion.
When I first picked up the books it was because my mother, and my father (divorced since 1983) had independently read the four books and had insisted that I partake. My father read them and was entranced for whole other reasons, saying that the story was "just awesome". My mother had fallen in love and tried to convince me that the books were NOT just for teens.
I read about the process, in the words of Stephenie Meyer, who said that she had a dream that spawned the whole story. She became obsessed with the Edward Cullen character almost immediately and actually fell in love with him as she began to write him into her books. She actually cried and went into her own depression when she realized that Edward had to leave in New Moon. She says that her love for the characters and her obsession with the story is what drove her to write these books. These were the first novels of her career.
I believe that the author's love & obsession leaked onto the pages for us all to soak in. I really feel like, because she was actually in love with Edward, we all got that sense of longing & obsession that we normally would only feel when we are in the first bounds of love, when love is the obsession, the butterflies, the dreams, and daydreams that keep you obsessing about that person...
Of the agegroups, when I speak to elderly women, or middle aged women, they say that the books remind them of their first loves. Women my age (late 20s, early 30s) agree that it reminds them of when they first met their husband, or their first loves. I have not actually met any teen girls who have actually read the books. But I have met several teen girls who agree that they love the movies.
When I compare these books to others that I liked, it was the emotion and the personal feelings that I had, that seperate these books from others. When I read the House of Night books by P.C. Cast I was entertained, but not in love. When I read the Hunger Games Trilogy by Suzanne Collins, I was obsessed, but not in love. When I read the Fallen Series byLauren Kate, I felt obsessed with the love story and am totally excited to buy and read book 4 instantly when it comes out,... but again, not in love. Though I understand the reason for falling in love with a character like Daniel Grigori in Fallen... I wasn't actually in love with him, myself.
And to me,... that is what seperates the Twilight Saga from the rest. It is why Twilight stood out, and is a part of me. Because it was a part of my past emotions, Edward Cullen is a member of my past-loves... It wasn't just a good story, or a good book like the rest.
And I have to add... Though Twilight & New Moon were good, You must get to the best of the series, and read book 3 Eclipse♥ to really understand how awesome the series can be, in my opinion.


Good point on counteracting (or giving an alternate craze) the Harry Potter craze, it did give the girls something to swoon over.

I’ve read teen girls moan that there are no boys like Edward in real life. check this out:
http://community.feministing.com/2011...
what do girls want that they find only in Edward? What attracts them to only him and not a dozen other fictional heroes? Romances are anyway packed with alpha males and men you can’t find in real life. what makes Edward different?
I had a thought. I haven’t heard it mentioned anywhere. Do you think they like that Edward is the one who insists on preserving Bella’s virginity since in real life teen boys are way too eager to get into girls’ pants? Perhaps this makes him seem safe to girls despite the other dangerous things about him.


OMG I loved your point :) !!!
That's whats good about a lot of these types of books. If I wanted to read reality, I would be in the groups for Non-Fiction, or Reality-Fiction, Historical-Fiction.... I love Fantasy & paranormal because it is about living outside yourself. It allows you to "allow" things that you would never allow otherwise.
If a guy began sparkling in front of me -on any day- I would start laughing at him like he was wearing glitter... if his skin was refracting light I might just totally freak out. If I found out vampires actually existed, I would have a complete-breakdown of my reality and sanity. If a guy I liked EVER broke into my house, was cold to the touch, could smell me <-- which is super gross.., or could do any of the things Edward does with Bella, it would be NOT OK.
But..... when I read about these things, I am totally like "awe" and getting teary because it is soo sweet! lol. I guess I accept sooo much more with my books because I know the whole thing is outside of reality anyway. ☺
With Twilight, its just written in a way that, I mean, Edward could do almost ANY things-that-other-boys-get-dumped-for-because-its-too-creepy and we will all just swoon... ♥

That's a really good point. And I agree with Melisa too. There is an obvious difference between fantasy and reality.
Stalker in real life=Call the cops.
Stalker in a romance book=Swoon.

Lisa I am of the same frame of mind. Bella reminded me of why I would never be a teenager again. She also helped me appreciate my shy friends by reminding me that still waters run deep. The reason I picked it up at first was because Meyers is Mormon and I wanted to see what she would do with paranormal subject matter. She delivered a beautiful love story.


True!!


That's probably very true Briansgirl. They were looking for the next best thing after Harry Potter, and Twilight just fit the bill.
I've read Twilight, and I thought they were al right. Not bad, not good either. I don't understand why so much girls are squee-ing their buts off for Edward. He is like the archetype of how a relationship SHOULDN'T be. Your boyfriend shouldn't climb through your window without your knowledge. He doesn't make Bella laugh. They don't have fun. Then, he leaves her to be a pathetic puddle of misery. Comes back saying "oopsie, I didn't know you cared that much".
I'm sorry, I don't despise the Twilight books, but I do have a personal grudge against Edward.

That's probably very true Briansgirl. They were looking for the next best thing after Harry Potter, and Twilight just fit the bill.
I've read T..."
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I’ve been reading reviews of a lot of paranormal romances on this site and some books sound like they have really interesting concepts and an interesting intricate world.
Wheras I read Twilight and found it so dull. Yes I understand some of the appeal, especially to teens. There’s the dangerous hero who could kill you at any moment but loves you enough to overcome that. I found that creepy but it obviously had something that appealed to girls.
There’s the ordinary heroine that lands the extraordinary man. we all get the appeal of that. It’s been done a lot in romance. Perhaps it was never done before in a paranormal?
So again, what made Twilight stand out from all other vampire and indeed all other paranormal romances? What did Stephanie Myers do differently? what did she speak to that made readers such adoring fans that bought millions of her books?
She did something right and I want to find out what because after reading the first twilight novel I’m still at a loss. I know there are more interesting PNRs than this out there.
This post is not meant to bash Twilight. I’ve read enough bashing in reviews of it. I genuinely want to know what elements in it made it a hit.