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Jun 21, 2011 08:11AM
Yes, it's Lily's as well. She's one of my favourite characters too.
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Kristen wrote: "Was anyone else disappointed that not much really happened to her by the end of the series? I personally was hoping she'd be killed off or something...Or at least deeply humiliated. Lost her mind, ..."I parallel Umbridge with Javert of Les Misarbles. She is the law, she doesn't understand the concept of mercy or forgiveness and can't stand to watch her rules broken. At the end of Les Miserables the main character (In Javert's eyes nothing but a lowly crook) shows him mercy. Javert has never seen any flaw in himself and his system of dealing judgment. Overcome by the idea of his beliefs being folly, he commits suicide by jumping off a bridge. Since I see a complete reformation for Umbridge unrealistic, maybe something like Javert's fate is called for. Maybe she wouldn't react exactly like him though, because Umbridge seems to have more selfish motives than Javert.
Umbirge was one of my most favorite characters simple because she was soo EVIL! :P
Kristen wrote: "Was anyone else disappointed that not much really happened to her by the end of the series? I personally was hoping she'd be killed off or something...Or at least deeply humiliated. Lost her mind, ..."Well, I am. I couldn't agree more on that part of her being dead. She treats so badly the muggle borns in 7th part. And jeez, that horcrux she calls it her ancestral locket. Should have sent her to azkaban, being kissed by dementors could have been a hell lot comforting.
I agree with Kristen and Rishita, and was really dissaponted nothing really happend to Umbirge she was really really awful to everyone especically Harry.
Hina(Bow ties are cool) wrote: "I definitely am not saying that Umbridge is not ruthless but I don't think she actually told the Dementors to kiss the people, maybe it was only threatened? We can't be sure."Based on all the stuff she does in book 5, I think it's safe to assume that she does not issue empty threats. And she sent the dementors after Harry without any "proof" - he was just in the way and she set him up to get kicked out of school or killed. Probably wouldn't have made much difference to her, either way. And it didn't seem to matter that they could also harm innocent bystanders too(Dudley)
When they were used other times, it was supposed to be in the most extreme cases - Azkaban. I hardly think it was appropriate to have them guarding defenseless people during the twisted interrogations. Why would they need them if the people were all unarmed? Especially considering their only "crimes" were claiming to be a witch/wizard.
Tsuki wrote: "I think the best thing ever is if you type into Google "sexy snape" and press I'm feeling lucky. That video made my day lol ..."hahahahaha
How about this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI7FkF...
lol
Maddie wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Was anyone else disappointed that not much really happened to her by the end of the series? I personally was hoping she'd be killed off or something...Or at least deeply humiliated...."Yeah, with her it was more a case of how she was able to manipulate people and cause them pain. More about what she could get out of things rather than just doing something because it's 'the law'.
I agree, I don't think she would ever kill herself. She'd rather beg for mercy from those she would have denied it to and wouldn't think she deserved to die for her failure.
Bjorn-The Last Viking wrote: "Umbirge was one of my most favorite characters simple because she was soo EVIL! :P"lol
Kristen wrote: "Hina(Bow ties are cool) wrote: "I definitely am not saying that Umbridge is not ruthless but I don't think she actually told the Dementors to kiss the people, maybe it was only threatened? We can't..."I definitely know that's bad. I think she got what she deserved when she got sent into Askaban for life imprisonment or whatever.
Yes that's true, but I think that JK Rowling wrote that to make it seem more formidable and to make us notice how much the ministry changed since Voldemort's return.
I think the centaurs should have told Dumbledore to back off and let them keep her as her prisoner way before. But I guess that could really mess up some of the really good parts in the last book.
True, but i think never being happy or having any emotion at all ever agian is pretty mean ( still i wanted sothing really horridto happen to her)
Kristen wrote: "Tsuki wrote: "I think the best thing ever is if you type into Google "sexy snape" and press I'm feeling lucky. That video made my day lol ..."hahahahaha
How about this one:
http://www.youtube.com..."
WIN!!
Kristen wrote: "Was anyone else disappointed that not much really happened to her by the end of the series? I personally was hoping she'd be killed off or something...Or at least deeply humiliated. Lost her mind, ..."I was very disappointed that Umbridge didn't get punished for her stupidity and cruelty as she very well should have been. This book wasn't one of my favorites of the series.
What an AWFUL woman! I would've liked something terrible to happen to her, but if she goes to Azkaban later, I wish that was in the book (then I'd be a bit satiated).I can't believe that Snape, Sirius, and Fred had to die, but she is still breathing at the end of the series. I HATED this character.
Kristen wrote: "Tsuki wrote: "I think the best thing ever is if you type into Google "sexy snape" and press I'm feeling lucky. That video made my day lol ..."hahahahaha
How about this one:
http://www.youtube.com..."
That is soooooooooo wrong I'm mildly disturbed that my eyes have been submitted to that lol
She was a good character because she could stir hateful feeling in the reader because of how vile she was to hp, ya know? She was an awesome character.
Oh yeah. Umbridge totally deserved something more than what she got.
Umbridge reminds me of a nun at my old boarding school who chased me around with a yard stick one moment and acted sweet as sugar to me the next.
Gabriel wrote: "Umbridge reminds me of a nun at my old boarding school who chased me around with a yard stick one moment and acted sweet as sugar to me the next."Really? Wow! :D
Hina(Bow ties are cool) wrote: "Gabriel wrote: "Umbridge reminds me of a nun at my old boarding school who chased me around with a yard stick one moment and acted sweet as sugar to me the next."Really? Wow! :D"
Yes, nuns are badass, at least this one was. She even had a way of speaking similar to Umbridge and a love of cute little kittens.
Haha. :D That's awesome. First time I've heard that. :)
Hina(Bow ties are cool) wrote: "Haha. :D That's awesome. First time I've heard that. :)"Surprisingly, I didn't find it awesome at the time. I ran like the wind all around school and whenever I kept looking back, there she was, like the Terminator.
I love snape. he has to be a fav character of mine.
Gabriel wrote: "Hina(Bow ties are cool) wrote: "Haha. :D That's awesome. First time I've heard that. :)"Surprisingly, I didn't find it awesome at the time. I ran like the wind all around school and whenever I ke..."
Aha, must have been scary. I really can't imagine a nun like that. Haha, the Terminator. :D
she deserved a lot more than what she got.I always thought snape was just like umbridge until i read harry potter and the deathly hollows.
i wish Bellatrix killed Umbridge.. or something like that. she and Rita Skeeter should have suffered.
Michaela wrote: "she deserved a lot more than what she got.I always thought snape was just like umbridge until i read harry potter and the deathly hollows."the movie half-blood prince, didnt really portray younger snape's intelligence well. But when I first read the book, I felt really betrayed by him. T_T
alan rickman acts really well in his part during deathly hallows 2... its really emotional.
Well in Greek mythology centaurs were known for raping women...so that may have been Umbridge's fate when they carried her off into the forest.
it may have been!!!! nice point
I'm with Rafael. I think that there is sufficient evidence that Dolores Umbridge was basically gang raped by centaurs. In Greek mythology they symbolized both the ideals of man and the "urges" of a bestial nature. While it is true that pretty much everybody in Greek mythology was involved in some form of sexual hijinks, the whole rape thing was essentially what Centaurs were all about. When they reveal Dolores later there is evidence that she is deeply emotionally scarred but shows little physical damage. There's even an article that talks about it:http://www.cracked.com/article_19397_...
I think she got a pretty brutal comeuppance.
I understand wanting her to pay for what she did.. but JK does a good job of reminding us that it's not a perfect world. Not every bad person is punished for their wrong-doings, and not every good person is rewarded for their awesome-ness. But.. JK DOESNT say that Umbridge goes unpunished after the war. I can imagine the Ministry went through a thorough cleaning after the war, and I'd like to think Umbridge got a good sacking, at least. :)
Somebody wrote earlier (I can't remember who) Umbridge just did what she believed in. Yeah, but she LOVED it. Most teachers believe in discipline, she cut letters into the back of a childs hand. She was a sadistic psycho.
Yes, I missed some needed cathartic moment! The ending could have done so much more for me cathartically with Umbridge.
Jdfield wrote: "Somebody wrote earlier (I can't remember who) Umbridge just did what she believed in. Yeah, but she LOVED it. Most teachers believe in discipline, she cut letters into the back of a childs hand. Sh..."So true!
Kristen wrote: "Was anyone else disappointed that not much really happened to her by the end of the series? I personally was hoping she'd be killed off or something...Or at least deeply humiliated. Lost her mind, ..."I absolutly agree. she was so evil i wanted to personally kill her even though she is a figment of our imaginations
Keeley wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Was anyone else disappointed that not much really happened to her by the end of the series? I personally was hoping she'd be killed off or something...Or at least deeply humiliated...."to be fair at most i think i just wanted to shove her stupidly pink bloody cardi and false niceness up her ***
Well, we actually really don't know what happened to Umbridge after Voldemort was defeated. I doubt she still holds a prominent position in the Ministry of Magic and is most likely facing the consequences of her actions. Sure she may have gotten away with the punishments she gave the students at Hogwarts but in book 7 she was unjustly accusing not only children but adults of false crimes and punishing them. And we know how severe her punishments can be. I am sure many people stepped forward with complaints after the Ministry was back on track and Delores suffered the appropriate consequences.She may have been a person just doing what she believed but the way she went about it was wrong and people suffered for it. Remember when she was interrogating Harry in book 5? She was fully prepared to use the Cruciatus curse to get him to talk until Hermione stepped in. She also basically turned Hogwarts into a dystopian society while she was there. Imagine if she became the Minister of Magic? She may not be evil but she was a terrible person.
I think she was just one of those people who would do anything (or ally with anyone) just to get more power. She didn't care if she was working for good or evil, the only thing important to her was that she could be above all. She was probably a very insecure person and had to terrorise others to feel in control. I think they've sent her to Azkaban and charged her for hate crimes xD
I was that Umbridge gets her but kicked at the end of the movie cause I just hated little petit teacher Umbridge!
I hated this witch(spelled w/a "B") from the minute her character was introduced. I would have loved for Harry to forsee that she would have used "special quills", then add some type of cream that Fred & George invent to his arms that would not allow him to feel any pain and then wright UMBRIDGE IS A FAT BI@!*! Over and over. And so bold that all would be able to see it. And not just given to Harry, but to all that get Detion with the old hag. That would have shown her, and better, as the quill is being used have the kids laugh uncontrolably.
"ehm.. ehm..""Oh no, Umbridge is coming (again)" :p
Yes, she deserved a more severe punishment, but I think J.K knew what she was doing. It just highlights the fact that Harry Potter is not just your typical Good v Bad series, its so much more.Some deaths were anticipated, some not. Not everything goes to plan in real life, and no matter how much you hate some-one, it doesn't mean they'll just die! Yes, Umbridge was very annoying at the best of times, but she made the book more interesting, and it was easy to be angry at her along with the Hogwarts students.
The whole series is amazing and well-written.
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