Mockingjay
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anyone find the last book disappointing? a little rushed?
Lisa wrote: "I found both "Mockingjay" and "Catching Fire" disappointing. Katniss goes from an active character in the first book to a purely reactionary/passive character in the second and third books. She isn..."Totally agree with you...I have said from the beginning that Katniss made no choices for herself and that what disappointed me the most
I did find the ending a little sudden but i loved it all the same
by the way
TEAM PEETA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Melissa wrote: "yeahcollins shouldnt have included the epilougue. she should have just ended the series when peeta asks katniss "u love me, real or not real?" and katniss answers "real""
Now that would have been a perfect ending thanks Melissa
Dani wrote: "How so? Mockingjay was completely different from The Hunger Games and Catching Fire... "
Really? Book 1 - novel concept to go into a game of survival to the death. Book 2 - uh...let's go back into the game to the death again! Book 3 - uh...ok, let's not go back into the game, but let's do make the war and rebellion still go through game scenarios so it's like the game.
It just felt so repetitive and repetitive and redundantly repetitive to me. After the first book - it wasn't a novel concept anymore. I was interested in the politics and revelution and that didn't have to take Katniss back into the game 2 more times. The games could have gone on without her and been a catalyst for her anger or she could have been involved in shaping the outcome to show her rebellion...or anything else but repeating the same story.
But hey - that's why every book has its fans and every book has its naysayers. Just wasn't my thing.
Daryl wrote: "Dani wrote: "How so? Mockingjay was completely different from The Hunger Games and Catching Fire... "
Really? Book 1 - novel concept to go into a game of survival to the death. Book 2 - uh...le..."
I was actually thinking more of the tone than the basic plot. But, you're right everyone has their opinions.
Lisa wrote: "As for Gale & Peeta... she didn't even make a decision; events made it for her. I wanted to see her decide definitively for Gale, Peeta, or (my personal preference) to be alone, so long as it was her decision."
I can see your point there, but for me, it was pretty blantantly obvious who she would end up with at the end of Catching Fire.
I thought the last book was good, but the last chapter or 2 were really rushed and I think she definitely could have spread it out more!!
My biggest problem with Mockingjay is that I felt like I was getting hit over the head with educational themes about war, politics, society, blah blah blah. The characters took a back burner to push through the "lessons."
I liked the first 2 books much more than the last.
Francisca wrote: "I reaaaally liked the ending, BUT i would've liked to know what happened to Gale, I mean, I know he got a job at district 2, but like, what elsee??? plus he was supposed to be Katniss' best friend!..."exactly, i wanted him and katniss to patch things up and be friends again
When i finished mockingjay i wanted to chuck it off a building! The end was outragous. I mean come on suddenly katniss is no longer impprtant to anyone but peeta, she stops talking to gale, is forced back to 12 and has kids with peeta. That throws every ending readers had in-mind out the window to crash to the ground! I really wanted katniss and gale to end on good terms and a little bit off after story about gale and how the districts and the capitol carried on after the revolution ended! All in all it seems like they couldnt figure out how to end it so they slapped some random junk together and sent it to be printed!
it was literally katniss falls asleep and when she wakes up everything is over. and they made gale into a bad guy, which he's not.
Brianne wrote: "it was literally katniss falls asleep and when she wakes up everything is over. and they made gale into a bad guy, which he's not."I don't think it was so much making Gale into a bad guy, as Collins allowing Gale to make the hard, adult choices Katniss isn't allowed to make outside of the first book.
gale didn't speak a word of it? never said sorry? very bad guyish.
Cierra wrote: "When i finished mockingjay i wanted to chuck it off a building! The end was outragous. I mean come on suddenly katniss is no longer impprtant to anyone but peeta, she stops talking to gale, is forc..."Right?????????
Brianne wrote: "gale didn't speak a word of it? never said sorry? very bad guyish."True, but in his defense, we'll never know whether or not that bomb was really his.
Lisa wrote: "Brianne wrote: "it was literally katniss falls asleep and when she wakes up everything is over. and they made gale into a bad guy, which he's not."
I don't think it was so much making Gale into a ..."
No, I felt Collins made a clear distinction between Gale's revengeful means-to-end nature and Katniss wanting to bring peace with as few causalties as possible.
Candace wrote: "The first two books were SOOOO much better. This whole book seemed to drag out only to have the end very rushed. Not my favorite book, really had a hard time finishing it."I agree, Candace. The moment I finished the second one I ordered up Mockingjay on my Nook (I was laying out at the beach on vacation at the time) and ended up very disappointed.
Dani wrote: "Brianne wrote: "gale didn't speak a word of it? never said sorry? very bad guyish."True, but in his defense, we'll never know whether or not that bomb was really his.
Lisa wrote: "Brianne wr..."
EXACTLY! because katniss never asks him for conformation? really shallow of her, since he was her best friend.
lol, he didn't know either. Katniss wanted things to be good between them, but it just couldn't. It was the possibility that his creation killed the person she loved most (and someone that he loved as well) that finally tore them apart.
first off snows death should have been more bloody and actually talked about. second off thank god she shot coin. thirdly what a crap ending sure why not end up with the guy who tried to kill you and thinks your a mutt and whose not even nicer or more understanding then gale. lastly wtf why did the author just let loose one of the best characters into district two for a fancy job.
Ellie wrote: "I loved Mockingjay!! It was great. But I think people were disappointed because everyone expected it to be Twilight! Everyone expected it to be a huge drawn out fight and romance but it wasn't so p..."i personaly cried at the ending when Peeta asked her if she loved him. It was beautiful. It wasn't like twilight and never could be, but i love it all the more because of that. I do wish that there could have been fewer deaths.
I think the reason that I found the last book disappointing was that it was so different from the prior two. Not that this is exactly a bad thing, but to me it just didn't have the tension of the first two. I couldn't put them down. This one I had to sort of force myself to finish :(
Fatima wrote: "Not exactly disappointing, but the ending was indeed loosely tied up. Personally, I wanted to know more about what other characters were up to in future like Gale etc, not to mention what future Pa..."i agree it was still good but just the last chapters were rushed and also it felt like after all that it kind of just ends "we grew up had family the end"
I'm not sure if disappointing is the right word, but definitely not as good as the first two. I have some serious issues with Mockingjay, the main one being the way it ended for Gale. Now, I love Peeta and personally knew from the beginning that he and Katniss would end up together, but I have a soft spot for Gale. And the way Suzanne Collins had him leave Katniss over the whole Prim-aircraft thing was ridiculous! He is her best friend and would NOT abandon her like that. And the whole "Gale is probably kissing other lips right now" was just salt in the wounds. He loved Katniss, as a friend and more than that, but I for one believe that he would have let her be with Peeta and stayed by her side as her hunting partner and friend. I would rather Collins had killed him off nobly or something than turn him into a tool.
Eh the ending of Mockingjay when Katniss ends up with Peeta I felt like she only did it not because she loved him but felt obliged to do so, making it a little more disappointing.
I have to say, i thought the first book was AMAZING. Could not stop reading it. But then the second book was ok, a little longer, that's ok, and then the third book..........toooooo lonnnnnnnng! Sometimes i wish she had only written the first one and left it like that.
How is the fact that she picked the wrong guy the worst part? She voted to start the Hunger Games again! Why would she ever do that?!? The previous two books were about how terrible the Games were, and how everybody hated them. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO START HEM AGAIN????? At that point I lost all respect for Katniss
lol, she didn't really plan for there to be another Hunger Games. At that point, she'd already made up her mind to kill President Coin. She just pretending to go along with the plan so that Coin wouldn't get suspicious of her plan.
you sure, cause it seemed to me that she really wanted to, to avenge Prim, and only realized that she was wrong when she looked into Snow's eyes during the execution
Jd wrote: "you sure, cause it seemed to me that she really wanted to, to avenge Prim, and only realized that she was wrong when she looked into Snow's eyes during the execution"Yeah, I'm sure, because before she agreed, she and Haymitch exchanged looks. And remember, her and Haymitch had that silent language that only they knew.
I think it ended exactly how it should have been. That's what she did, that's who she chose, those were the results, that's what happened, that's what it is.
I agree that the story ended ok, but it was porley written, the things that should have been the focus of the story, like Peeta's rescue, were only briefly mentioned
Lindsey wrote: "she marries Peeta just because--he's there. I get the feeling that Suzanne Collins just lost interest, or tried to be "realistic," or wanted to please everyone, or shock everyone, or something. I don't even know. But the great thing about Katniss was the intensity of her love for her family and her guts and "I can pull through anything" and it ended with her jaded, bitter, and completely disregarding the safety of others in her thirst for empty vengeance. Great message! Ugh. "I totaly agree with how she just married Peeta and katnis. when she finally said i love you it felt forced. and i'll admit there was times through out the story i wanted to jump in and slap katnis, i even through my book once i was so annoyed with her because she wouldn't pay attention to peeta's feeling (oh yeah im TEAM PEETA!)
I felt the first one was rushed. But. I was reading it like a maniac. Like a junkie. I didn't think Mockingjay was rushed overall - I did think the epilogue was... out of the blue, to say the least. I reckon there could have been a bit more build up to her choice, you know? It's hard to read an entire series and feel really strongly about a character, and have that turned on its head on the last page.
It makes me feel like I need to read it again.
Sara wrote: "I felt the first one was rushed. But. I was reading it like a maniac. Like a junkie. I didn't think Mockingjay was rushed overall - I did think the epilogue was... out of the blue, to say the least..."feels like we missed something.
yes. rushed and dissappointing. TEAM GALE ALL THE WAY!!
and Finnick should have LIVED!!!!!!!
Laura wrote: "I think that Katniss was never strong enough to be the leader of the rebellion anyway. She never chose the life she had and now she is able to make the choices with someone who supports her and lo..."I agree! For a good part of the mission I was like ok I get it move on ... and then at the end it was like ok I wasted too much time and too quickly summerized it up to finish. Wish they would of cut some of the mission and focused a little more on the conclusion.
Dana wrote: "Laura wrote: "I think that Katniss was never strong enough to be the leader of the rebellion anyway. She never chose the life she had and now she is able to make the choices with someone who suppo..."That is exactly what i felt!! the first half was like 'come on, stop TALKING and do SOMETHING!!!!' and then the end was all wrapped up in two minutes. The first one is a masterpiece though. Loved it.
Well..I found it to be sorta of boring. I had to force myself to finish reading it! Like the first one I couldn't stop reading (I read it in 7 hours). The second was the same reaction and then the third was like a few days cause it wasn't interesting. Like I just read it to find out how it ended. Like I didn't like the war tatic stuff, it wasn't terribly interesting...I think the last two paragraphs sorta make up for it though..
I was not a big fan of the ending, not because it didn't end the way I wanted, but mainly because it indeed felt rushed. What I personally didn't like about the ending though, was that (view spoiler)
Well than Gale or Katniss would of died...
Anyway I kinda feel like the author had a page limit considering book two and three were suspiciously 390 and 391 pages
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Yes, I still wanted more to find out how Peeta and Katniss over came the hardships from games. IT as if she was tired of writting slamed the door in my face. It was happy ending, still wanted more about their lifes together. What happen to the other districts. I love Peeta, he never stop loving Katniss.
RANT/ok, so I'll admit I started reading this because of the upcoming movie, or because the "Hunger Games Hypemachine" knocked down my door and beat me to death until I promised that I would read the books. So yes, I found the last book to be the weakest of the three because, like so many, I felt the ending was rushed, details seemingly glazed over in an attempt to meet a deadline. My first issue was that the majority of the important events in the book were mentioned only in side note (rescue from the Capitol) because Katniss was a nonfactor for much of the novel, being unconsious or in a state of mental breakdown. Secondly, the deaths of Finnick and Prim have the feel of being crowbarred in because of what feels like "someone important hasnt died in a while, lets roll the survivor dice and see who dies". The statement has been made by many that "its war", and by its nature war is unpredictable... BUT.. both of their deaths were thrown out so randomly that their impact was wasted. Death happens all throughout these books but its the reactions to the deaths that we see firsthand that makes them important, so in the case of Finnick and Prim both, even Mitchell's death had more of an impact which is disappointing because the emotional hook to Prims death paled in comparison to that of Rue's.
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Si yo digo la verdad diria que si, porque no sale casi ninguna escena bonita, todo son guerras, por eso se me hizo muy largo leer este libro, pero lo bueno es que el fina reconmpensa, me dio mucha pena acabarlo
I found the whole book completely disappointing. I'm not saying it wasn't realistic because really, who can blame Katniss for being overwhelmed in depressed in the face of everything, but seeing her go from a strong, vivid character to one who pretty much just followed directions was really hard. Sort of like Padme in Episode III becoming a scarred little girl dying of a broken heart. Argh.
I have to ditto many people above, who also state the whole third book was a rushed disappointment. I hate weak whinny women characters. I feel women are portrayed many times as being the weaker of the two sexes. Thus when a novel comes around that empowers women and especially young girls. I absolutely love it! That was how the hunger games began for me. A kickass girl fighting to survive. So when the third book came out and Katniss just was in a drugged out coma for most of the novel. Also that every scene felt very rushed, unless it was Katniss whinny. Well that was just a waste of a good character that was developed throughout the first two novels. I really wish Ms. Collins, actually sat and thought out her book much closely before publishing it.
I just thought it was a bit of a rushed ending. I wanted to at least know more about our beloved characters. It seemed like none of them got a happy ending:( I know it's more realistic, but still... Katniss as a depressed person, who sees almost no one she once knew anymore? Sad. I guess we have our great, realistic fiction.
I was disappointed as well. I was surprised at how fast all the remaining characters just died. Prim's and Finnick's death were the hardest for me because they were about one sentence each and then that's it. I don't believe Finnick had to die. I was really upset about that. I kind of understand Prim's death (the horribleness of war and what not) but it was still a bit of a shock to me and too fast (reading wise not that I wanted her to have a drawn out death).I also didn't like how Katniss thought that there should be a hunger games with the children of the capitol people. Her saying it was for Prim was complete BS. How can she think Prim would have wanted that?! Prim was very peaceful, i think. NOT someone who would want to destroy others lives even if they had made her life harder then necessary. Overall I liked this trilogy but some of the decisions in the end really bugged me. (and yes i cried when i realized Prim died)
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As for Gale & Peeta... she didn't even make a decision; events made it for her. I wanted to see her decide definitively for Gale, Peeta, or (my personal preference) to be alone, so long as it was her decision.
I wonder: did Collins pitch a trilogy to the publisher, or did she pith just "Hunger Games" and was then asked by the publisher to write two more books?