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My Early Life, 1874-1904
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* ARCHIVE: MY EARLY LIFE: GLOSSARY
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Harrow:
http://www.harrowschool.org.uk/html/o...
Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrow_S...
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http://www.sandhurst.mod.uk/
WIKIPEDIA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Mi...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Quee...
CHURCHILL CENTRE:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...
HISTORY:
http://www.qrh.org.uk/history4.htm
WORLD WAR II PHOTO DIARY (HUSSARS - SOME CHURCHILL PHOTOS):
http://www.tartanpixel.com/hussars/ph...
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THE JOURNAL:
REFERENCES TO HOUNSLOW AND CHURCHILL: (SOME GOOD PHOTOS)
http://www.cioj.co.uk/Journal%20-%20A...
HOUNSLOW IS WHERE CHURCHILL WAS STATIONED WITH THE FOURTH HUSSARS:
HOUNSLOW (THE LOCATION):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hounslow
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http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...
CHURCHILL;S INDIASPEAK:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/ma...
HINDU MAGAZINE ON CHURCHILL'S FATHER VERSUS WINSTON (QUITE STRONG VIEWS):
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/ma...
SALT IN THE SORES ON INDIA: (TIME MAGAZINE)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/art...
CHURCHILL AND GANDHI:
http://www.kamat.com/mmgandhi/churchi...
PBS:
As a young man, Churchill spent 19 months in India with the 4th Hussars, arriving October 1896. He was stationed in Bangalore, where he led a leisurely life, including large amounts of polo playing.
http://www.pbs.org/churchill/world/in...
CHURCHILL AND THE INDIANS:
ttp://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/in...
BADEN-POWELL: INDIAN MEMORIES:
http://www.pinetreeweb.com/bp-on-chur...
CHURCHILL QUOTE:
http://www.enotes.com/famous-quotes/i...
OUR DUTY IN INDIA:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...
WIKIPEDIA:
ABOUT INDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India
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CHURCHILL IN BANGALORE - THE HINDU MAGAZINE
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/ma...
BANGALORE CLUB:
http://www.bangaloreclub.com/
CHURCHILL AND POLO:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...
UNCOVERING BANGALORE:
http://www.mba4success.com/arts_conte...
BANGALORE TODAY:
http://www.worldcityphotos.org/India/...
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http://books.google.com/books?id=M9iw...
STORY OF THE MALAKAND FIELD FORCE BY CHURCHILL: GUTENBERG
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/9404
MALAKAND:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malakand...
REVIEW:
http://www.troynovant.com/Franson/Chu...
SAVROLA:
http://www.savrola.co.uk/worksofwsc.p...
THE UNIVERSITY OF MY LIFE:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...
FRONTLINE - WINSTON CHURCHILL ON THE TRIBAL TERRITORIES:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontli...
CHURCHILL MUSIC FOR EACH ELEMENT OF HIS LIFE:
http://www.churchill-society-london.o...
SCRIBD:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2500621/Win...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_...
THE BOOK REGARDING THE MALAKIND FIELD FORCE HAS A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION REGARDING THE MAMUND VALLEY
MAMUND - WHO ARE THEY:
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Mamund
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http://www.congressionalgoldmedal.com...
MENTIONED IN THE ABOVE CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR WRITE-UP (MANY GREAT LINKS ON CHURCHILL AND THE TIRAH EXPEDITION ARE MENTIONED). IN THE MALAKIND FIELD FORCE - ONE OF CHURCHILLS FIRST BOOKS IF NOT THE FIRST, MUCH IS MENTIONED IN THAT BOOK REGARDING THE TIRAH EXPEDITION.
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http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...
http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/a...
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I've begun listening to the book on tape. I just want to let everyone know that it's hysterical! Who knew Winston was a wit, along with everything else?
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To prepare for the discussion I read the massive "Churchill" by Gilbert. I cannot believe the life that Churchill lead. You know he won the Nobel- in literature! The heroics, the foibles, the politics, the comedy and the tragedy. It really was an unbelievable life. And each time you think he is down and out, ready to slink out of the public eye forever, he rises like a phoenix from the ashes. His ability with the English language was astonishing. I am so glad that Bentley suggested My Early Life. I was enriched by the experience.
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Timbuktu1 wrote:
I've begun listening to the book on tape. I just want to let everyone know that it's hysterical! Who knew Winston was a wit, along with everything else?
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If you get to London; you should definately go to four places: Churchill Museum and the actual War Rooms (fabulous); Chartwell (beautiful and so informative - you understand the family man here); the Imperial War Museum (pretty impressive); British Library (marvelous place - you can listen to all of the recordings of speeches etc). Love England.
At the Churchill Museum, there is an interactive exhibit about his wit; it was sharp but hysterical.
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Oldesq wrote:
To prepare for the discussion I read the massive "Churchill" by Gilbert. I cannot believe the life that Churchill lead. You know he won the Nobel- in literature! The heroics, the foibles, the politics, the comedy and the tragedy. It really was an unbelievable life. And each time you think he is down and out, ready to slink out of the public eye forever, he rises like a phoenix from the ashes. His ability with the English language was astonishing. I am so glad that Bentley suggested My Early Life. I was enriched by the experience.
Message Edited by Oldesq on 06-24-2008 05:44 PM
Yes, I knew that; amazing isn't it; he probably is the one man who I have the greatest admiration for; he never gave up; he never gave in. When you think how prodigious a writer he was from such a young age. Even reading his young letters to his parents when he was a child was remarkable; some of these letters are in the Churchill Museum; you realize how forgotten he was by both of them and yet he adored his parents both usually from a distance
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bentley wrote:
Timbuktu1 wrote:
I've begun listening to the book on tape. I just want to let everyone know that it's hysterical! Who knew Winston was a wit, along with everything else?
If you get to London; you should definately go to four places: Churchill Museum and the actual War Rooms (fabulous); Chartwell (beautiful and so informative - you understand the family man here); the Imperial War Museum (pretty impressive); British Library (marvelous place - you can listen to all of the recordings of speeches etc). Love England.
At the Churchill Museum, there is an interactive exhibit about his wit; it was sharp but hysterical.
Thanks for the heads-up Bentley. I, too, love England but it's been 30 years since I've been there. I'm loving the portrait he paints of Victorian times and it would be fabulous to actually visit these places.
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I thought this was an interesting account of Blenheim Palace with pictures:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blenheim...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_...
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/got...
CHAPTER ONE: DUKE OF MARLBOROUGH:
FIRST DUKE OF MARLBOROUGH:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chu...
HOW CLOSE DID WINSTON CHURCHILL COME TO INHERITING THIS DUKEDOM?
http://jssgallery.org/Paintings/Duke_...
FOURTH DUKE OF MARLBOROUGH:
http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Sidney/...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_...
OLD PORTARLINGTON:
http://www.oldirishimages.com/towns%2...
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http://www.nfbnet.org/pipermail/faith...
MRS. EVEREST (NOT MARRIED)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg....
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From the Churchill Centre:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...
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Hysterical, this was the book that Mrs. Everest got Winston to prepare him for the governess.
http://www.sitella.co.uk/sideline/div...
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http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...
http://www.churchill-society-london.o...
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http://taybridgedisaster.co.uk/index/...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_Rail...
POEM BY MCGONAGAL REGARDING DISASTER:
http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/p...
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THIS IS WHERE CHURCHILL WENT TO VISIT MRS. EVEREST'S SISTER:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventnor
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Regarding the Eurydice: (some require free NYTimes membershp)
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com...
http://www.memorials.inportsmouth.co....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Eury...
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract...
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract...
Poem by Hopkins about tragedy:
http://www.bartleby.com/122/17.html
EXTRACTS FROM TIMES NEWSPAPERS:
http://www.pdavis.nl/Eurydice.php
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This was Winston's doctor when he took ill at St. James' School (St. Georges):
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/page...
Archive Article from NYTimes (may need free subscription logon):
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract...
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popish [pope-ish]
Adjective
Offensive relating to Roman Catholicism
Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Adj. 1. popish - of or relating to or supporting Romanism; "the Roman Catholic Church"
papist, papistic, papistical, R.C., Roman Catholic, Romanist, romish, Roman
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
Obviously, Winston was influenced greatly by Mrs. Everest who might have thought turning East when praying the Apostle's Creed might be considered popish (catholic like).
Wikipedia on Popish Plot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popish_Plot
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Wow, Bentley, what great resources. And yes, turning to the East was considered Catholic-like, a ritual that would have been avoided by members of the "low church" as was Mrs. Everest.
I like the nickname WSC used for Mrs. Everest- Woomy.
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Wow, Bentley, what great resources. And yes, turning to the East was considered Catholic-like, a ritual that would have been avoided by members of the "low church" as was Mrs. Everest.
I like the nickname WSC used for Mrs. Everest- Woomy.
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As I am rereading, I am just posting the urls that refer to people, places, events or things that I am looking up for myself; but thought it might be to everyone's benefit. Glad you like them.
Love Mrs. Everest who is really not a Mrs. but definately Winston's Woomy.
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Bentley, thanks so much for posting the urls that you've come across. This reading has awakened my researching soul, and I am reading and want to read more about Winston's parents, plus other people and things and events connected to him. I imagine this desire/need will increase as we go through his life
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Bentley, thanks so much for posting the urls that you've come across. This reading has awakened my researching soul, and I am reading and want to read more about Winston's parents, plus other people and things and events connected to him. I imagine this desire/need will increase as we go through his life.
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You are welcome; I am enjoying looking up this information for myself so I just post my finds for everyone else. I have always been fascinated by Churchill; I think you will also grow more interested in his varied life as you read on. Glad you are enjoying it.
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BOER WARS:
FIRST BOER WAR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Bo...
SECOND BOER WAR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_B...
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The imperial beard worn by Brabazon was popularized and named after Napoleon III
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The heros of Ouida (p. 67) which WSC refers to in describing Brabazon were fictional characters created by a romantic novelist. http://encarta.msn.com/text_761556409...
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Oldesq wrote:
The heros of Ouida (p. 67) which WSC refers to in describing Brabazon were fictional characters created by a romantic novelist. http://encarta.msn.com/text_761556409...
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The above is very interesting Oldesq.
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TIMBUKTU POSTED (VANESSA):
Do you find that everything is related? I'm reading Go Down Moses by Faulkner. In The Bear, he writes about how the heart is a better guide than the head. Hmmm, sounded familiar! Churchill said the same thing in my nighttime reading! Don't you just love the way he handled Plato? Religion? Not sure I agree with his opinions on metaphysics. I do think everything is rooted in experience... I think...I may change my mind.. LOL!
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Timbuktu1 wrote:
Do you find that everything is related? I'm reading Go Down Moses by Faulkner. In The Bear, he writes about how the heart is a better guide than the head. Hmmm, sounded familiar! Churchill said the same thing in my nighttime reading! Don't you just love the way he handled Plato? Religion? Not sure I agree with his opinions on metaphysics. I do think everything is rooted in experience... I think...I may change my mind.. LOL!
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I think Churchill compensated for the areas of learning he missed; most likely sensing that some options were closed to him because of things he failed to do or attain. I think though that Churchill got the better of the deal in many ways despite his faulty start. Churchill had great depth and compassion
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bentley wrote:
Timbuktu1 wrote:
Do you find that everything is related? I'm reading Go Down Moses by Faulkner. In The Bear, he writes about how the heart is a better guide than the head. Hmmm, sounded familiar! Churchill said the same thing in my nighttime reading! Don't you just love the way he handled Plato? Religion? Not sure I agree with his opinions on metaphysics. I do think everything is rooted in experience... I think...I may change my mind.. LOL!
I think Churchill compensated for the areas of learning he missed; most likely sensing that some options were closed to him because of things he failed to do or attain. I think though that Churchill got the better of the deal in many ways despite his faulty start. Churchill had great depth and compassion.
I was thinking about that psychiatrist's analysis of him. It made a lot of sense. However, perhaps this is why there are no more "heroes". His great accomplishment and character was explained away as a psychological neediness. It makes me kind of sad.
Interestingly Faulkner was self-educated as well.
I was just listening to Churchill's description of his relationship to alcohol. On the literature and life board there's a thread on this. In fact, Churchill's name came up as an example of someone who could survive to an old age although he was a drinker. Connections!
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Timbuktu,
I am a huge believer in connections- I think this is one of the most important reasons for everyone to try to learn as much as they can, every day that they can.
Although I had parents who were great readers and passed that love on to their large clan, and I attended good schools, I somehow missed out on many authors that people take for granted. I can't imagine why as I was always in honors English - but I think I fell into a swing of the pendulum when popular modern (and rightfully short-lived) fiction was highlighted in the high school curriculum. Why, I specifically recall in my 20s reading a Doonesbury comic strip that had the line, "It was the best of times . . . . " and thinking to myself that I have got to find out where that line is from because obviously it was assumed that the comic reading public would know the reference. In great embarrassment I asked the local librarian about the quote- and thus, my introduction to the wonderful world of Dickens- really, I had not met the man before (although I knew he wrote the Christmas Carol). Can you imagine- I never would have read any Dickens absent that comic reference.
I always feel that there are so many more worlds, voices and new things to learn. Thanks entirely to you all and B&N -part of that yearning is satisfied through this board!
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Timbuktu1 wrote:
bentley wrote:
Timbuktu1 wrote:
Do you find that everything is related? I'm reading Go Down Moses by Faulkner. In The Bear, he writes about how the heart is a better guide than the head. Hmmm, sounded familiar! Churchill said the same thing in my nighttime reading! Don't you just love the way he handled Plato? Religion? Not sure I agree with his opinions on metaphysics. I do think everything is rooted in experience... I think...I may change my mind.. LOL!
I think Churchill compensated for the areas of learning he missed; most likely sensing that some options were closed to him because of things he failed to do or attain. I think though that Churchill got the better of the deal in many ways despite his faulty start. Churchill had great depth and compassion.
I was thinking about that psychiatrist's analysis of him. It made a lot of sense. However, perhaps this is why there are no more "heroes". His great accomplishment and character was explained away as a psychological neediness. It makes me kind of sad.
Interestingly Faulkner was self-educated as well.
I was just listening to Churchill's description of his relationship to alcohol. On the literature and life board there's a thread on this. In fact, Churchill's name came up as an example of someone who could survive to an old age although he was a drinker. Connections!
There are many connections; we are all part of humanity and all of us are interconnected in some way; there was a play called the Six Degrees of Separation.
I think we are all needy in some way don't you think; we all have our hot buttons and our self doubts. I have never met anyone who didn't have something. I think his self education made him great as did Ben Franklin's. He did drink and like fine food that is for sure; and it did not appear that he had a svelte figure either as he got older.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degr...
Here are two links provided for us from BCKnowlton.
Thank you BC.
http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/36/200...
http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/36/200...