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Books! *Spoilers inside All* > Hunger Games (whole series, so if you have not read all 3, well that's ur prob.) *SPOILERS*

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message 551: by Hannah, Don't TOUCH my Title Klymy. (new)

Hannah | 3223 comments Mod
Fine. I just watched it again!


message 552: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
http://hungergamesthemovie.com/2011/1...

Ha. Twilight is just dreadful. (view spoiler)

The link is proof of that. Ron and Hermione beat Edward and Bella as the best couple. And Hunger Games beat Breaking Dawn 2 as the most anticipated movie!


message 553: by Hannah, Don't TOUCH my Title Klymy. (new)

Hannah | 3223 comments Mod
Haha nice. :D I know what you mean. It seems pretty and I dunno, fluffy? But I'm sure if I read it I'd get hooked to finish them.

Niceness!


message 554: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/the-hun...

Another Trailer! Go and watch it. They show some new scenes, but nothing as good as the last one!


message 555: by Naomi (new)

Naomi  (purplebookdragon) | 900 comments ok, that trailer was awesome. it actually showed us part of the movie. i could get the feel of how its gonna be. i cant wait to watch it! i have a feeling a few of my friends and me will go watch it in the theaters as soon as it comes out. i'm so excited!


message 556: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
Yup. This close to dying and freaking out.


message 557: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
Get this: I just explained to my mom basically the whole plot line of Hunger Games. While I'm telling her, her eyes grow wide, she makes comparisons to the roman empire and even gasps a little. When I'm finished, she says, "What's so great about it?" I nearly died !


message 558: by Naomi (new)

Naomi  (purplebookdragon) | 900 comments oh. a few months ago i told my mom the story line and she said it sounds interesting.


message 559: by Hannah, Don't TOUCH my Title Klymy. (new)

Hannah | 3223 comments Mod
AWESOMENESS.

Haha that's funny.

My mom was never interested in Hunger Games


message 560: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
I have successfully gotten my friend obsessed with Hunger Games. She was so mad when I told her I didn't own the second book. *smiles*


message 561: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
Did you see your title, Hannah?


message 562: by Hannah, Don't TOUCH my Title Klymy. (new)

Hannah | 3223 comments Mod
Klymy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=...

It's the scene where she shots the apple out of the pig's mouth. :D Pretty awesome.


message 563: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
Yes, I already watched it. Facebook. *grins* But it was awesome. I love the whole "Now, who ordered this pig?!"


message 564: by Hannah, Don't TOUCH my Title Klymy. (new)

Hannah | 3223 comments Mod
well good then.


message 565: by Naomi (new)

Naomi  (purplebookdragon) | 900 comments OMG!!!!! i watched the hunger games yesterday!!!! it was so good!!!!!!!!!! i went with like 15 people from my class. it was amazing!!! ah!!!!! i'm still so excited!!!!!


message 566: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
I feel like crying. I can't believe I haven't seen it yet.


message 567: by Ingrid (new)

Ingrid My friend gave it a rating of 7/10. I wanna see it to, Klymy, dear. I really do.


message 568: by Naomi (new)

Naomi  (purplebookdragon) | 900 comments dont worry, you'll get to see it. it was so good. gahhh. i wanna see it again.


message 569: by Rebekah Faith (new)

Rebekah Faith (musicalradiance) | 710 comments IT WAS AMAZING!!! I went last night.


message 570: by Naomi (new)

Naomi  (purplebookdragon) | 900 comments i know!!!!! ah!! someone who i can freak out about it with!!!!! what was your favorite part????


message 571: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
The part where I actually went to see the movie. :(


message 572: by Rebekah Faith (new)

Rebekah Faith (musicalradiance) | 710 comments Awwww, KLYM!
I'm not gonna say yet, I'll wait till Klym finally gets to go see it. XD


message 573: by Ingrid (new)

Ingrid I haven't seen it yet either :(


message 574: by Naomi (new)

Naomi  (purplebookdragon) | 900 comments oh, come on. i need to talk to SOMEONE about it.


message 575: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
Psh. Go talk about it. We've already read the books.

I had a total Hunger Games moment today! I was talking about meter sticks and how Dani and I used to fence with them. The guy in my physics lad goes, "I get to do that later today."

Me: Fence?!

Him: No... It's literally a time that me and my friends beat each other up.

Me: *gapes*

Him: yeah, I made this bow and it actually works.

Me: You know, it sounds so Hunger Games!

Girl in our group: I know, right?! I was just thinking that!

*cue obsessive talk about HG*


message 576: by Ingrid (new)

Ingrid I totally fenced with my friend using meter sticks!
Ah, nostalgia.


message 577: by Hannah, Don't TOUCH my Title Klymy. (new)

Hannah | 3223 comments Mod
I SAW HUNGER GAMES.


message 578: by Naomi (new)

Naomi  (purplebookdragon) | 900 comments yay! what did you think????


message 579: by Ingrid (new)

Ingrid ...I still haven't seen it.
*Sniff*


message 580: by Naomi (new)

Naomi  (purplebookdragon) | 900 comments so go see it! what are you waiting for?


message 581: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
Way-chan (Aspiring Author) wrote: "...I still haven't seen it.
*Sniff*"


I feel you pain, Way. My da's going on about how we're going to wait until Redbox. Quite honestly, if we wait that long, I'm going to forget about the Hunger Games


message 582: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
I FINALLY WATCHED THE HUNGER GAMES


message 583: by Ingrid (new)

Ingrid *Grumblegrumble*

Still haven't seen it. Or The Avengers. I really want to see both of them, but knowing me, I'll just wait til they're in the library.


message 584: by anilee, "Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion." (new)

anilee (anileesghost) | 780 comments Mod
I feel like I need to see The Avengers because a) it's Joss Whedon and b) one of my internet friends is obsessed with it.

I'll see The Hunger Games eventually.


message 585: by Ingrid (new)

Ingrid Ah, Joss Whedon. He's brilliant. I've heard so many, impossibly good things about The Avengers. I'd love to find out for myself, but I have no clue when it'll happen. Ah well.


message 586: by Ingrid (new)

Ingrid Also, apparently Shannon saw it and loved it. That's almost enough right there to motivate me.


message 587: by anilee, "Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion." (new)

anilee (anileesghost) | 780 comments Mod
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure Shannon is at least somewhat of a Joss Whedon fan. I recall her saying that she likes Firefly.

I'm just not really a superhero person, so I feel like I would miss so much.


message 588: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
I'm really excited to see Avengers. I haven't yet, but I've watch all the "prequels"

The Incredible Hulk was dreadful

Everything else was pretty good.

I am in love with Sebastian Stan

And Loki.

Dani can't wrap her head around my infatuation of Loki.


message 589: by anilee, "Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion." (last edited Aug 22, 2012 03:07PM) (new)

anilee (anileesghost) | 780 comments Mod
I finally saw The Hunger Games, and I think the film is a lot better than the book. (I don't think the novel is all that well-written and I'd rather read Battle Royale any day, but the film is so well done. Maybe a little long, but pretty excellent nonetheless.)

I still have to see The Avengers, but I hang out on Tumblr, so...as far as I can tell, Kly, Dani's the crazy one for not understanding your Loki infatuation; you are quite sane for having said infatuation.

And the other month, I was doing a crossword, and the clue was "Norse god of mischief". It pretty much made my day.

Note: I'm not a Loki fangirl, but as a fangirl of other things, I am capable of appreciating moments that should be fangirled.


message 590: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
I did like the movie. Did you guys notice that the District 11 rebellion was mentioned about in the 2nd book, but occurred during the 1st? Which was why it was in the movie. The movie seemed to convey more background information, that the book could not. The book was written terribly, and it just went down from there. I'm very excited to watch Mockingjay 1 and 2 (Because there is a high chance they'll split the books like HP and That-unmentionable-book-movie). Frankly, Mockingjay was a disaster as a book.

THANK YOU. But, have you watched Thor? Loki is so misunderstood!


message 591: by anilee, "Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion." (last edited Aug 23, 2012 05:31AM) (new)

anilee (anileesghost) | 780 comments Mod
How could anyone notice notice that?

Movies can convey more background information and do it in a less annoying manner, since background information basically implies telling rather than showing. Also, unlike novels, very few films follow just one character, which means that viewers often receive information outside the protagonist's knowledge. When it comes to books, I like first or limited third person narrations, so my dislike of the books doesn't really have to do with only being limited to what Katniss can tell us, although I think that adding background information into the movie was a good decision. If you haven't read the trilogy, you're now seeing the consequences of Katniss's actions.

Although...did I miss the part where they explained what a mockingjay is or did they fail to include it?

But really, the movie just meant that I didn't have to struggle through tedious prose. The books are fast reads, but the writing is so irritating, and I think the worldbuilding is kind of pathetic too. But mainly, the writing. Everything else could be so well done, and I just don't care because I just want to rewrite the whole thing.

Although truth be told, the first book is probably my least favorite. For whatever reason, I actually liked Catching Fire, and I prefer the angst of Mockingjay to the first book, since like I said, give me Battle Royale to read any day. At least I can blame the writing on the translation. But I like stories of rebellion, which is why I'm in the minority that prefers the second and third books.

I really don't want two Mockingjay movies, though. Just because Harry Potter did it doesn't mean that all final books must become two films. Okay, yes, fine, it was probably a money decision that motivated splitting Deathly Hallows, but. We can still look at the book and say, "No, there's enough stuff for two films without drawing things out." (They could have said the same thing about any of the last four books.) But nothing happens in Breaking Dawn (despite its length) and Mockingjay just didn't that long, you know?

But I'm also not much of a movie person. I watch TV shows, so if they really wanted to make me happy, they'd do the entire trilogy as a mini series or something.

Yes, I have watched Thor, although I should probably rewatch it again (and then The Avengers) before I can agree or disagree and write a decent argument. Remind me in about a month of this, okay?


message 592: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
Ani, what do you mean about the consequences of Katniss's actions? Isn't pretty much the whole rebellion pushed off the tipping point by Katniss?

The mockingjay is the symbol of the rebellion (I suppose you knew that). It's a genetically modified bird that will copy your voice and your call. So, it's what Rue used in the movie (and the book) to contact Katniss.

Question: Was the killing of Prim really senseless? Or did it have a purpose? Was it needed?

Oh, yes. I'll remind you for sure. Currently waiting to get the DVD.


message 593: by anilee, "Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion." (last edited Aug 24, 2012 02:53PM) (new)

anilee (anileesghost) | 780 comments Mod
Yes, Katniss's actions are the tipping point, but in the film, you understand the danger she's in from the Capitol throughout the movie. You understand how her actions are undermining the Capitol's rule. It's not as apparent in the novel because all we know is what Katniss in the arena knows. If the filmmakers hadn't included this outside view, hadn't showed the effects of Katniss's actions, viewers who hadn't read the entire trilogy wouldn't understand the story as well. The addition of these scenes helps to make the film more understandable to audiences who haven't read the books.

I know what a mockingjay is; I've read the books. My point is: for those who haven't read the trilogy, they wouldn't know what a mockingjay is or why it's significant, which seems like a kind of massive failing of the movie. Because the really important thing to know about mockingjays, Kly, is how they came into existence because that's where the real meaning is: mockingjays were not supposed to exist, and didn't the rebels turn jabberjays against the Capitol? It's clear that the mockingjay is symbolic, but it's not clear in the film how it gains its meaning, you know?

Prim's death...

I'm going to say that I need to rewatch Mockingjay.

No, but first, Suzanne Collins probably had a purpose in including Prim's death. Authors usually don't include such a major events unless they believe that it benefits the story. Whether or not it reads that way, though, is another matter.

My opinion...we know from the beginning of the trilogy that Prim is like the most important person to Katniss, so for Katniss to break, for her to truly emerge stronger and be a true survivor, she needs to know real loss. She's been through a lot, she's survived a lot, she's lost a lot, but so there needs to be something that can really make her break, and that's losing her sister, who we know Katniss will not even think to protect.

Prim is innocent. She is nothing more than a victim because she's done nothing to warrant her death. The only thing she's ever been is Katniss's younger sister. So we can even see her death as basically one last acknowledgment that Katniss can never go back to being who she was before the Hunger Games, before the rebellion. Katniss has become the rebellion's mockingjay, not necessarily knowingly but yet she's not exactly innocent, and it's time for her to truly pay for what she's done. Maybe, on the whole, she's made things for the better, but it's a war and wars are terrible and there is a loss of innocent civilian life. People who shouldn't die die anyway. And because readers care about Prim, her death is the one that affects us. Finnick's death might be sad, but he went in as a soldier; we know that he could die. But Prim? We don't really expect Prim to be killed. We are not invincible, and we cannot save everyone.

If you want more, I can probably gather more, but I'll need to reread the trilogy.

Also, I kind of want to bring Code Geass into this...

I mean, I figure I could rewatch Thor in the meantime, but wouldn't it be better to just wait until The Avengers? (So. Excited. I mean, I'm not really into superhero stuff, but it's Joss Whedon, people. Enough said. I'm actually tempted to see Cabin in the Woods for the same reason, even though I'm not such a huge fan of horror films.)

(Keep in mind that I only watched Thor because of Loki.)

(And no, like I said, I am not a Loki fangirl. But I still am a fangirl, which means that I want to understand other fandoms, even if I'm not really a part of them.)


message 594: by Ingrid (new)

Ingrid So... guess who finally got around to watching the movie?

And I'm considering reading the above discussion, but frankly, it's too daunting and I don't particularly feel like it, especially since it happened months ago.

I will say this, I think I liked the movie more than the book. It was better in the world-building department, and it made things clearer than the book (which I did like, but it was highly overrated.)

That being said, I think that if you hadn't read the book, you'd be pretty confused so... it's a mixture, I guess. You need to read the book, to get the movie, but the movie is better than the book. Does that make any sense?


message 595: by Katerina, Mother Gothel's Cake (new)

Katerina (klymene) | 2740 comments Mod
Gods, Way. Really? You're even worse than me in watching new movies...

Yes, it makes perfect sense. The way one person put it was, "If you hadn't read the book, you'd be thinking "Why the H*** is Peeta throwing bread at Katniss?!" "

The two things are compliments to each other, I think. Where one is lacking, the other has much of.


message 596: by anilee, "Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion." (new)

anilee (anileesghost) | 780 comments Mod
I think the film's better than the book; no suffering through Katniss's narration!

I still think that the film stands alone pretty well, except for explaining the significance of the mockingjay. It didn't bash you over the head with exposition.


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