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Vampires don't sparkle.
Lindis wrote: "Hey Molly, I bet that would be possible! But don't you think that the Volturi would have a problem with that? Maybe they wouldn't allow it. Specially if it wasn't their idea. But then again the pro..."I bet the Volturi wouldn't like it if anyone else but them created the babies, no, but I definitely have no doubt that Aro would capitalize on the idea considering how much he wanted Alice and Edward . And just think how much Aro could do by controlling which parents with certain powers created the fetus! He could create all kinds of super soldiers with whatever powers he saw fit, and destroy the ones that didn't work out (I shudder to think of it...)
But maybe Carlisle could keep it a secret or something. I mean, they kept Renesmee a secret for a while, and the Volturi only found out about her because of Irene, so it could be possible if they were careful
Lindis-would you mind if I add you as a friend?
I think I alread accepted. : )Yeah, that's a scary thought. Hey if Meyer ever reads this stuff. There's a new story line for her. Focus on the Volturi and how they mess everything up by creating the master race. Oh no, that would be too Hitler-like. And we don't want to go there! : )
i definitely agree.. vampires aren't supposed to sparkle in the sun... they are supposed to burn! not sparkle! no offense to Stephanie but, it wasn't a great choice.
Caity(: wrote: "i definitely agree.. vampires aren't supposed to sparkle in the sun... they are supposed to burn! not sparkle! no offense to Stephanie but, it wasn't a great choice."Isn't it funny how all throughout history, everyone burns things they're afraid of or don't understand? 'She's a witch, burn her!!' (Salem witch trials), and now it's totally funny how I'm like, 'OMG, look at that sparkly guy-burn him!!' LOL
LMAO!! Yep, burning seem to be the end of all evil. I so want to say something else, but it's a touchy subject, so I won't! : )
Lindis wrote: "LMAO!! Yep, burning seem to be the end of all evil. I so want to say something else, but it's a touchy subject, so I won't! : )"I gotcha, LOL! Hitler was an evil, horrible human being, but to convince that many people to do such horrible things involves great leadership skills. Scary, I can definitely picture Aro in a similar setting...*shudder*
Molly wrote: "Caity(: wrote: "i definitely agree.. vampires aren't supposed to sparkle in the sun... they are supposed to burn! not sparkle! no offense to Stephanie but, it wasn't a great choice."Isn't it funn..."
haha! so true, everything gets burned if they're not liked or scary. vampires burn in the sun!
Lindis wrote: "Umm, yes I've read the books three times. I was well aware of what you pointed out. I'm sorry you didn't get my joke. Maybe I'm not that good at it. "Ahh, so it was a joke. Weird though. You considered your comment as simply joke and at the same time you also apologised of being mean.
It is always interesting to read that kind of comment...:)
Lady Alice wrote: "I love FANTASY and mostly GOOD enchanting fantasy not too terrifying. I did finally buy my own copy of Dracula but its too scary for me and I am still unable to read it. Maybe someday...."Dracula is a great novel. I love all about vampires. Anne Rice's novels are good too, but so far my favorite is Sookie Stackhouse series. Well at least until now.
@ Lady Alice:Your Health info is certainly interesting. But if you read carefully, it also mentioned the eggs being released monthly. Monthly could vary from 28 to 40 days.
Lady Alice wrote: "Throughout the reproductive
life span, from puberty until menopause, women lose about 1,000 eggs each month. "
And not all eggs are good, just like sperms.
Lady Alice wrote: "I for ONE LOVE sparkly vampires. The whole idea is simply captivating. But then I am mesmerized by anything that sparkles. Sometimes I wish that those who don't like the sparkles would just go away. "Hahaha. LOL. I love sparkling diamonds or Swarovski Crystals.
I consider Stephenie's fantasy world is new but weird. The stone marble skin doesn't apply every part of the body. The discrimination between male and female vampires...
But I love the romance in Twilight, so I tend to ignore all flaws in its supernatural world.
She does a great job with romance. Maybe she should write some comtemporary romance, where she doesnt have to world-build (which is not her strong suit, hence the very few changes to the world of twilight).
So Stephanie Meyer vampires are like Deadpool with glitter because they can reattach limbs. I think there should be a global mandate for her to come up with a different name for themselves besides vampire. How about Hobby Lobby Lamprey? Glitter Tick? Dawson's Leech?
I'm loving the whole Aro/Hitler idea with a vampire master race - I think a story about that could be fascinating! Though I think it'd be better if it wasn't written by Meyer (I personally can't stand her writing style but I understand others love her and you're all entitled to that view, mine just differs) ;p
Laura wrote: "I'm loving the whole Aro/Hitler idea with a vampire master race - I think a story about that could be fascinating! "Although it doesnt have Aro or Hitler, The Superiors is about a vampire master race.
@Roger, I dont think Dawson's Leech has the same ring as Twilight. PLus, it would have to be Bella's Leech. Oh, oh, or Swan's Leech. That has a nice peaceful vibe.
Nurlely wrote: "Lady Alice wrote: "I love FANTASY and mostly GOOD enchanting fantasy not too terrifying. I did finally buy my own copy of Dracula but its too scary for me and I am still unable to read it. Maybe s..."Have you read all of Rice's? I've only read Interview, I have been told that Lestat is good, but they go downhill durring Queen of the Dammned. Is there more after that?
I have started Sookie Stackhouse too. It's taking me a long time to get through the first one. Because it's pretty dang close to the show. A good friend of mine loves the fourth. But we are Eric fans! : ) She just says it's very good, but she won't tell me why? he he he, that's okay, I'll get there soon enough.
I do like Dracula, Twiglight... not so much.The sookie stackhouse stuff is interesting enough though.
I agree, vampires should be bad-ass though!
(and not sparklie fairy dust like shirtless wonders ;) )
Roger wrote: "So Stephanie Meyer vampires are like Deadpool with glitter because they can reattach limbs. I think there should be a global mandate for her to come up with a different name for themselves besides..."Ooooo, that's mean, but funny too! he he he : ) I always liked
"Grrrrr, I'm a sparlky vampire, fear my glitter!"
See, I'm a Twilight lover that can make fun of it too! I thought that the movie "Vampires Suck" was hilarious!!!! : )
Laura wrote: "I'm loving the whole Aro/Hitler idea with a vampire master race - I think a story about that could be fascinating! Though I think it'd be better if it wasn't written by Meyer (I personally can't s..."I understand your view. I'm not up on laws when it comes to books. But wouldn't it have to be written by Meyer? Or she'd at least have to give them permission to use her charachters, wouldn't they. I'm curious?
Lena wrote: "Laura wrote: "I'm loving the whole Aro/Hitler idea with a vampire master race - I think a story about that could be fascinating! "Although it doesnt have Aro or Hitler, [book:The Superiors|113..."
The Superiors, is this the book you wrote? I marked it as to-read. : )
Agreed being able to come out in the sun is one things but sparkling really?
@Lindis--Exactly. I can laugh at Twilight, but I dont hate on it. Stephanie Meyer created a very engaging story! I really didnt HATE the glitter until i saw the movie. THey did the glitter SO BADLY!
Lindis wrote: "Laura wrote: "I'm loving the whole Aro/Hitler idea with a vampire master race - I think a story about that could be fascinating! Though I think it'd be better if it wasn't written by Meyer (I pers..."Although I doubt (much to my dismay) the Aro/Hitler book will come to pass, someone would definitely have to get permission granted from Meyer to use any of the characters.
I agree it shouldn't be written by her :-)
Lindis wrote: "Have you read all of Rice's? I've only read Interview, I have been told that Lestat is good, but they go downhill durring Queen of the Dammned. Is there more after that?"Sure...there are more after that. I personally loved Vampire Armand more. So gorgeous.
Lindis wrote: "I have started Sookie Stackhouse too. It's taking me a long time to get through the first one. Because it's pretty dang close to the show. A good friend of mine loves the fourth. But we are Eric fans! : ) She just says it's very good, but she won't tell me why? he he he, that's okay, I'll get there soon enough."
Hahaha...book 4 is definitely awesome for us, Team Eric. In that book, we could see where Eric's heart goes to...I will spoil the story if I tell more.
You could read up to book 10. Book 11 is a let down if you are Team Eric.
@Nurlely--Book 10 lacked the sexiness of the others. Forgettable for me. @Lindis, Yep, that's the book i wrote. A "Superior' race of humans (vampires) takes over the world.
@everyone--you could only use Aro if the book was fan-fic, and to get it published, you'd need the publisher of twilight's approval (I think it might be Little Brown & Co? Blanked on it for now, someone correct me if i'm wrong!)
Lena wrote: "@Nurlely--Book 10 lacked the sexiness of the others. Forgettable for me. "I am Team Eric, so book 10 is still entertaining enough. I admit that it was less than I have thought it was going to be after reading book 9. Book 11 is disappointing.
This is such a pointless discussion since vampires don't exist so they can be anything you want them to be. If Stephenie Meyer thinks they should sparkle, let them sparkle. LOL!I prefer, of course, the more traditional vampire versions out there. They are just more interesting.
well thay make good targets lol
Michelle wrote: "This is such a pointless discussion since vampires don't exist so they can be anything you want them to be. If Stephenie Meyer thinks they should sparkle, let them sparkle. LOL!I prefer, of course..."
It may be pointless in the sense that we can't change what SM has already written, but I think it's awesome to discuss and analyze characters from any book. Gives me a deeper appreciation of the thought process that goes into making books, and also the vital traits that make up the characters. To me that's not pointless in the least
This IS a discussion thread, so people are going to be discussing the topic of the thread (and maybe a few tangents, but we always come back to the topic eventually). That's what these discussion threads are for!
Molly wrote: "Michelle wrote: "This is such a pointless discussion since vampires don't exist so they can be anything you want them to be. If Stephenie Meyer thinks they should sparkle, let them sparkle. LOL!I ..."
Oh yeah, pointless but fun! I agree with you Molly. I have even found that some other people's opinions of the charachters that I love, make me like them even more. (even some of the "non-likers") : )
Lena wrote: "@Lindis--Exactly. I can laugh at Twilight, but I dont hate on it. Stephanie Meyer created a very engaging story! I really didnt HATE the glitter until i saw the movie. THey did the glitter SO BADLY!"He he, I will admit that. From the books, I always saw their reaction more as a glow, than a glitter. Like you would see an angel in a dream. (I'm not comparing Edward to and angel ~ for me that'd be Emmett, he he)
I guess that goes back to the fact that they had a small budget with Twilight, didn't expect it to be a hit. My friends and I watched Twilight with the comentary, buy Kristen, Rob and the Director. AND we all came to the conculsion that that director is kind of a NUT! However, I'm sure that SM had some infulence while making the film, ,maybe that's the way she intended it.
So, they couldn't really change the "Glitter" in the next movies. Not with something so striking as that.
Oh, and BTW, On the commentary. The Director is a nut, so she was annoying, but a little funny. Kristen was well, Kristen, boring but plays well off Rob. I'm not sure what she would have done without him in the early years of this saga. But Rob was hilarious and of course, charming. He was always making fun of himself. He thought he looked like a dork in that grey tweed jacket. Plus he made fun of alot of other things. It was pretty good.
Lindis wrote: "Molly wrote: "Michelle wrote: "This is such a pointless discussion since vampires don't exist so they can be anything you want them to be. If Stephenie Meyer thinks they should sparkle, let them sp..."Stepping outside your own head and listening to the views of others is so helpful, that's half the fun of reading a good, or even a bad book! I love being able to look back and laugh, like about sparkling vampires for instance, lol!
I'm so glad I found this site too, cause everyone here understands how fantastic books are, and to be able to have people to share the enthusiasm with means everything to me. I try to talk to my fiance' about books and he just gives me this blank stare. So thanks everyone! (Okay, sorry, I'll stop being corny and get back to the topic at hand :-))
Molly wrote: "Lindis wrote: "Molly wrote: "Michelle wrote: "This is such a pointless discussion since vampires don't exist so they can be anything you want them to be. If Stephenie Meyer thinks they should spark..."OMG, My husband is the same way as your fiance'! He only reads if he KNOWS that it's someting he'll like. I gambled and got him a book for fathers day. It's hidden in the computer room. It's Sammy Haggar's autobiography. One of his favorite rockers, so I'm maybe 75% sure he'll read it. : )
The only way my reading benefits him is when we watch a movie based on a book i've read. I don't want to make him seem dumb, because he's not, he's very smart, but I don't think that he'd even watch the Harry Potter movies if I were't in his life. He asks me questions about every five minutes! Even one of my best friends, a Literacy teacher, asks me questions about thoes movies. : )
Now I'm off topic too, sorry but I had to comment on that! : )
Lindis wrote: "Molly wrote: "Lindis wrote: "Molly wrote: "Michelle wrote: "This is such a pointless discussion since vampires don't exist so they can be anything you want them to be. If Stephenie Meyer thinks the..."I know exactly what you mean! I started watching the Twilight movies because I read the books and wanted to see what they were like, and explained the whole story behind it and everything; now he's hooked, although he'd never admit it! The only thing he likes to read is books on golf or poker, so maybe I'll be brave like you and get him a book for Father's Day....
Lady Alice wrote: "Lena wrote: "@Lindis--Exactly. I can laugh at Twilight, but I dont hate on it. Stephanie Meyer created a very engaging story! I really didnt HATE the glitter until i saw the movie. THey did the gli..."Ooooo cant agree with you on the tattoo thing. I had a brief moment of "Hey! That's not in the book!" But, I think that it gave the non-reading audience a little extra push on the point that the pack was basically unseperatable, a family. They are bonded together. And I like tattoos too. For me, while I don't like Jacob, he's a whiner, it made him a little hotter for me. : ) I have five tattoos.
But hey, they aren't for everyone, I respect what you said. : )
Isn't it funny what different people like? I have a couple of friends that are Totally Team Jacob! In fact, one of them refuses to finish reading Breaking Dawn because of it. Even when I tell her that he's happy in the end and ends up with a pretty awesome girl!Now, for some reason, I kinda dig Victoria. Not enought to be sad when she died, but she's so powerful.
I would almost even intertain the prospect of hangin' out witht he Volturi for a while if I were a vampire. Don't know why. Except for Jane, she creeps me out. I'd have to kill her. And Felix is an arse! : )
Oh me being Team Emmett, I hate Rosalie. I thinks she's selfish, shallow, and whiny. She dosen't deserve Emmett.Not that I care about Jane at all, but I found the story of her and her brother interesting too. Having a bad childhood like that could of had to do with her being so mean. You'd have to be mean hearted to use a power like that. And she's been with the Volturi so long that she can't help the way she is.
Bree, oh Bree. I liked Bree too. Esme and Carlisle did try to save her, but they were already pushing their luck with the Volturi at the time, Bella still being human and all. And, we learned through Bree, that the Volturi really didn't want the Cullens to come out of that fight alive, so. I think that's why they didn't push it.
I'd like to know what Fred and the other two newborns that escaped the army are doing.
Wow, for a thread about how vampires don't sparkle, there's an awful lot of fans in here. Maybe I should clarify my position on the Twilight series. I hated the idea of sparkling vampires. It just doesn't make sense to make a human-hunting predator sparkle. It wouldn't be attractive, it wouldn't help them survive as a species. Beyond that, there isn't a shred of dialog in Twilight that hasn't been written since people started ripping off Romeo & Juliet. Granted I only read the first two books because I was woefully unable to find anything else to read, but I was struck by rehashed platitudes and sophomoric sentiment. Some of Bella's internal dialog made her "sound" smart, but she acts like a moron.
Last problem is Stephanie Meyer herself. When she was interviewed and said she had never read any vampire fiction and didn't know anything about vampires other than they suck blood before she started writing Twilight. Really? I think there are about 15 authors whose books are rated on this site that could tell you about their stories of a girl in high school hooking up with a vampire and their forbidden love YEARS before Twilight. Vampire families banding together under the banner of not drinking human blood? At least 5 stories about them. Italian lords and ladies of vampire culture? Hell, there's got to be at least 30 books about them. She's a housewife who took all the trashy romance novels and YA fiction she has read and rehashed them into the Twilight novels. So she made them sparkle to make them original? Might as well have given them giant shark heads with tatoos on their foreheads that say "I WILL EAT YOU."
In summary, Twilight is a retelling of an old story for the generation that had never read any of the classics, Stephanie Meyer will say ANYTHING to get paid, and her vampires make no sense.
This doesn't mean I don't respect those of you who liked them as people, we all have that series of books we've liked and realized later that we could never tell our friends we did. cough cough Nora Roberts Circle Trilogy cough cough.
Roger wrote: "Wow, for a thread about how vampires don't sparkle, there's an awful lot of fans in here. Maybe I should clarify my position on the Twilight series. I hated the idea of sparkling vampires. It ju..."I can totally respect and agree to that, as many of the other vampire fiction stories I've read seem to be eerily similar, especially the Italian "lords and ladies of vampire culture," as you put it. Seems to be too big of a coincidence to be mere chance
Molly wrote: "I can totally respect and agree to that, as many of the other vampire fiction stories I've read seem to be eerily similar, especially the Italian "lords and ladies of vampire culture," as you put it. Seems to be too big of a coincidence to be mere chance "If I were Romanian, I would be totally put out that people thought all the high-powered vamps should live in Italy instead of Transylvania. Although, as far as lovestruck-to-stupidity vampires go, Dracula was about 2 McNuggets short of a Happy Meal.
Roger wrote: "Wow, for a thread about how vampires don't sparkle, there's an awful lot of fans in here. Maybe I should clarify my position on the Twilight series. I hated the idea of sparkling vampires. It ju..."Wow, that was a harsh opinion. I disagree with you. SM is a little more deeper than that. My opinion is all over here, so I won't go on. But I respect what you said. Thanks
Roger wrote: "Molly wrote: "I can totally respect and agree to that, as many of the other vampire fiction stories I've read seem to be eerily similar, especially the Italian "lords and ladies of vampire culture,..."He he he, I like that!
Roger wrote: "Molly wrote: "I can totally respect and agree to that, as many of the other vampire fiction stories I've read seem to be eerily similar, especially the Italian "lords and ladies of vampire culture,..."Did you know Dracula was an actual person in history, not just made up (although embellished quite a bit)? If my memory serves me correctly, he did live in Transylvania, and was the lord of a large castle. The count had an astounding (and very disturbing) understanding of human anatomy, so he figured out how to stab, cut off limbs, remove organs, etc... without actually killing the person, effectively torturing his victims for as long as possible before letting them die! He would then cut off their heads and mount them on long sticks in his courtyard.
He often drank the blood of said victims as a means of absorbing their energy/soul essence what-have-you, and that's how he became known as a vampire.
Just had to throw that out there, I'm a nerd, I know :-)
I love vampires of every flavor. But the sparkly aspect kinda turned me off. I mean come on! Glitter covered vamps. They don't really strike fear in ones heart. lol.
Shawn wrote: "I love vampires of every flavor. But the sparkly aspect kinda turned me off. I mean come on! Glitter covered vamps. They don't really strike fear in ones heart. lol."I know, right? "OMG look out, that disco ball has teeth!!"
Haha, wow. I did not know that Dracula was a real person. I have heard of different 'vampires' that were real people who drank blood--but the legend of the vampire is a little more than just a sadistic torture artist with a penchant for soul-sucking. I mean, you have to respect the legend, not just the less-glamourous reality. That's why they became legends. Just like witches, whose history is quite sad, but they make great literary characters! What can i say, writers are shameless exploiters. :)
Lena wrote: "Haha, wow. I did not know that Dracula was a real person. I have heard of different 'vampires' that were real people who drank blood--but the legend of the vampire is a little more than just a sadi..."It's fascinating to learn the facts behind the stories that make the legends how they are today. And I love that writers are 'shameless exploiters' as you put it Lena. It makes thread discussions like this one possible, because it gives us something to discuss to begin with! :-)
I wonder where the first vampire legends originate from....
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