Vampires don't sparkle.

[Lindis]

Lena wrote: "I believe alice may sparkle in the one where they go to Italy, or she at least wears a scarf and is careful about not getting in the sunlight when she drives around. Also, when Alice has the vision..."

Yeah, even my friends and I had to chuckle at the Bella Vampire running through the forest, that was korney! : )

[Lindis]

V. Saewod wrote: "Okay, so I'm late to this conversation, but must jump in.

While I appreciate Meyer taking an old idea and putting a fresh twist on it, no fangs, vampire venom, sparkling in sun, etc. And I will..."

OMG! Lmao! That's so funny, yes Eric would use Ed as a disco ball in Fangtasia! Then he'd wipe the floor up with him. Eric Northman Rocks!

[Lindis]

Blade has his strength and speed going for him, but most of his weapons depend on the fact that (in his world) vampires burn up in the sun. So, that's a downfall for him. Plus, Blade would have to threaten Bella or Nessie to even get poor whiny Edward to fight. Edwards a lover not a fighter.

However! Let's pair up Emmett and Blade. Emmett would fight just for the hell of it. Emmett would desimate Blade!!!!!

[Nurlely]

I missed some of the comments, but I could see some comments about Blade. I like Blade, but regarding fighting Edward, Blade will not 'win'. Edward could read his next move. And most of all, Blade will not find a 'good' vampire.

[Iyana]

i liked the books and the movies and i do agree that vampires probably shouldnt sparkle , i mean it was interesting when i read it but now looking back,not the best idea , sorry Stephanie we still love you. Oh and
EVERYONE LOVES A GOOD BAD ASS VAMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Iyana]

Sophie wrote: "Me too. I prefer Damon over Stefan (even though Damon is going soft). James over Edward any day!

At the end of the day: What is the point of reading and watching vampires if they don't kill, if t..."


I honestly do prefer Damon over Stefan , it might be because Damon is more bad ass or it might be because Stefan is well more idk more wuss like but whatever the matter , i prefer Damon oh and I prefer Jacob over Edward, just saying

[Syahira]

actually I was more interested to dissect one twilight vampire and look under microscope (if the microtome survive that is)

Meyer should have done a thorough anatomy & physiology of a sparkly vampire before she went on a rampage with stone marble skin (I wish I could hear cracking whenever a sparkly was nearby), venom with dagger sharpened teeth (where's the gland? and does the tongue ever caught with the teeth), the reproductive organs of both genders (why male vamp are not sterile but the female is? kinda sexist), if they have no heartbeat and hence no bloodflow how come they could get the *look down* up? (magic?) and so many more.

I actually spend an hour discussing this with some of my friends and laugh with it.

[Nurlely]

Syahira wrote: "Meyer should have done a thorough anatomy & physiology of a sparkly vampire before she went on a rampage with stone marble skin (I wish I could hear cracking whenever a sparkly was nearby), ....."

The supernatural world in Twilight is indeed weird. I ignored all the supernatural world after book 1 and enjoyed the romance. I really loved the romance, well at least until the pathetic Jacob started to push himself to Bella.

[Library Lady 📚]

Okay, so Meyer's not a doctor, we all know that! It's only b/c the books are so popular that we sit around dissecting her vamps. Every writer creates her own world. I could've done w/o the sparkles, but I think we know she's not the best world-builder. That's why her books are set in the modern world and nothing is different except vamps/weres exist.

BUT yes, i got really mad about the pregnancy. It was WAY worse than the sparkles. Edward has been dead a hundred years. You REALLY expect me to believe he still has viable sperm? Please.

[Iyana]

Lena wrote: "Okay, so Meyer's not a doctor, we all know that! It's only b/c the books are so popular that we sit around dissecting her vamps. Every writer creates her own world. I could've done w/o the sparkles..."

Lol the last part was funny , and i agree it would be difficult for a man who has been dead for like ever to really have viable sperm. But was it the actual pregnancy that upset you are was it just the fact that it was impossible for Edward to have viable sperm?

[Nurlely]

The stone marble skin is also weird. Edward' skin cracked when he was knocked out really hard. A proof of his stone marble skin. But he kissed gently.

But surely the pregnancy is the weirdest. Stephenie did write something about the impossibility of a female vamp to reproduction but not about the 'living sperms'

[Iyana]

Nurlely wrote: "Syahira wrote: "Meyer should have done a thorough anatomy & physiology of a sparkly vampire before she went on a rampage with stone marble skin (I wish I could hear cracking whenever a sparkly was ..."

honestly i liked Jacob up until when he started pushing himself on Bella as well but , I could pretty much deal until the point where he imprinted on Renesmee because that just made me so made. I was all like "ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!?!?!?!"

[Lindis]

Syahira I hope this answers some of your questions. She did do "a thorough anatomy & physiology of a sparkly vampire before she went on a rampage" as you put it. It's found in her new book "The Twilight Saga; The Official Illistrated Guide"

Page 71 on Fluids.
"Internally, the vampire's system contains many venom-based fluids that resemble, and in some cases perform the same function as, the human fluids that were replaced. Only the saliva-like liquid in the vampire's mouth is venomous. A fluid similar to this venom works as a lubricant between the hard cells of the skin, making movement possible. Another lubricates the vampire's eyes so they can move easily in their sockets. However, vampires do not produce tears, as tears exist to protect the eye from damage by small foreign objects, and those objects would not be able to harm a vampire's eye. Throughout the body, this pattern is repeated, with venom-like fluids performing the functions that are still necessary to the vampire. Most notably absent is the circulatory system."

In this same section of the book. She goes on to explain why males can reproduce and females can't. Simply because durring the change the body is frozen. Here are two little pieces of the part called Vampire Hybrids. Page 83

"Male vampires do have the capacity to pass on genetic material with a human female partner." - - - -"Female vampires still carry ova similar to human ova, but the unchanging state of their bodies results in a total absence of a reproductive cycle. Even if the female vampire sould somehow continure this cycle, her frozen body would be unable to grow and change to accommodate a growing and changing fetus."

So, in reading this I would assume that the lubricant in the vampire body would allow the "change of the male organ" If you get my point, and I'm sure you do. : ) So, it's not sexist, that's just the way it is. We women get the short end of the stick, no matter what we are! : )

[Iyana]

Nurlely wrote: "The stone marble skin is also weird. Edward' skin cracked when he was knocked out really hard. A proof of his stone marble skin. But he kissed gently.

But surely the pregnancy is the weirdest. Ste..."

that is true , the living sperm thing could have been thought through a little better , i mean if she can think up to the part of female vamps not being able to produce you would think the fact of wether or not a male vamps sperm is still good would come into play.

[Library Lady 📚]

It wasn't the pregnancy but the impossibility of it happening that bothered me. I know it's fiction but come on. I can only suspend so much disbelief.

But dont even get me started on all the half-vampire spawn in books. Vampires are dead people (er, undead, i guess). A dampyre is a half dead person? Lol...i dont know. A vampire could make a baby if he/she did it within a few days of 'dying' or maybe only a few hours. Then the reproductive cells would die. i'm still not sure about a female vampire having babies...dont think it's possible, since how would their bodies provide nutrients for a baby, being already dead & no longer having bodily functions. But they could maybe conceive within a few hours of death, not sure? I'm obviously no doctor either! We got any biologists or doctors on this thread? :)

[Lindis]

Lena wrote: "It wasn't the pregnancy but the impossibility of it happening that bothered me. I know it's fiction but come on. I can only suspend so much disbelief.

But dont even get me started on all the hal..."

Read my previous post. It took me a while to type it. Female vampires (in Meyer's world) can't reproduce. So nourishing the fetus is not an issue.

[Nurlely]

Lindis wrote: "Male vampires do have the capacity to pass on genetic material with a human femal partner." - - - -"Female vampires still carry ova similar to human ova, but the unchanging state of their bodies results in a total absence of a reproductive cycle. Even if the female vampire sould somehow continure this cycle, her frozen body would be unable to grow and change to accommodate a growing and changing fetus." "

Vampires are dead. They do not have pulse. Their bodies are suppose to be as dead as them.
In Stephenie's vampires, the sperms and ovum are alive but the rest of the vamps bodies are dead.
It seems it is then possible for a female to produce eggs. If her body could not adjust any changes due to her pregnancy (since she is dead...or half dead in this case), they could just hire a surrogate mother for that purpose.

[Iyana]

Lena wrote: "It wasn't the pregnancy but the impossibility of it happening that bothered me. I know it's fiction but come on. I can only suspend so much disbelief.

But dont even get me started on all the hal..."

Stephenie did say that female vamps cant reproduce because the body becomes unchanging and the body is unable to go through the cycle in order to reproduce but if the females bodies are unchanging , wouldnt the males bodies be unchanging too , i mean once they use the sperm after being dead for so so long wouldnt their bodies like not be able to make more sperm thus leaving them unable to reproduce?

[Lindis]

Nurlely wrote: "Lindis wrote: "Male vampires do have the capacity to pass on genetic material with a human femal partner." - - - -"Female vampires still carry ova similar to human ova, but the unchanging state of ..."

Really? I think you need to find something else to argue about.
Carlisle is a Doctor not a Mad Scientist. I don't think it would be possible to get an egg out of a female vampire. Okay, you'll have to refresh my memory on my own biology, but dosen't the ova make eggs as we need them? If that's right, the eggs in her ova would freeze during the change, and then wouldn't make anymore. I will admit, that I might be wrong on that one. However, I do know that males are born with all the sperm they will ever need. Or was that an urban legend?
What a goofy chat, he he he.

[Iyana]

Nurlely wrote: "Lindis wrote: "Male vampires do have the capacity to pass on genetic material with a human femal partner." - - - -"Female vampires still carry ova similar to human ova, but the unchanging state of ..."

that is so true , i agree i mean if the males can still produce sperm while being half dead then the females can produce eggs just as well and could indeed use a surrogate mom if the female vamps half dead body could not support a living thing in her body

[Iyana]

Lindis wrote: "Nurlely wrote: "Lindis wrote: "Male vampires do have the capacity to pass on genetic material with a human femal partner." - - - -"Female vampires still carry ova similar to human ova, but the unch..."

im sure a doctor who workd with that stuff in general could , i suppose as long as they dont ask to draw blood from the female vamp then it could be possible

[Lindis]

I just realized that the beginning of my last statement sounded mean. I didn't intend that. Sorry.

[Nurlely]

Lindis wrote: "Really? I think you need to find something else to argue about.
Carlisle is a Doctor not a Mad Scientist. I don't think it would be possible to get an egg out of a female body. "

As a start, it not possible for a vampire to have any children, in any ways. Stephenie's explanation did create another issue, of how a female vamp could also have children since she produces eggs. And I was being sarcastic to the idea.

It is interesting that you brought Carlisle to this. If you actually read the books, you will know that he did not even have any experiences regarding vampire pregnancy. It was the half-vamp's dad who did the experiments. He should have done the test with the female vamps back there.

[Iyana]

really ? I thought femals kept making eggs too

[Nurlely]

Lady Alice wrote: "I don't know about vampires as they are total fantasty but human females are born with all the eggs they will ever have but males make new sperm constantly! Weird, huh?"

Females' eggs are made monthly or in a certain cycle. The new ones come when the 'old' ones failed to meet any sperms. That is when we have our periods...

Born with eggs? Please elaborate...

[Nurlely]

Lindis wrote: "I just realized that the beginning of my last statement sounded mean. I didn't intend that. Sorry."

You should have written your edited comments in a new thread after receiving some responses.

As per being mean. It is indeed interesting.

[Chelsea]

you guys don't harsh my mellow .... let me believe vampires have sparkles just like werewolves have hair. (i know they do so no rude comments please and thank u)thank u thank u very much have a nice day :P

[Library Lady 📚]

Okay, so a male vamp maybe could ejaculate, but his sperm could not stay alive for a hundred years.
I read your long explanation, Lindis, and thanks for taking the time to type all that out. i just dont buy it. Besides, if the fluids in a vampire are replaced with this venom-like substance, wouldnt that include ALL fluid? Therefore (this is getting gross, sorry) they would release venomous (lubricant? did it really say that? Lol) instead of sperm.
Okay, this thread is like a reproductive lesson now, and no longer about sparkles! LOL...i think that's my fault. maybe we should start a new thread.

[Syahira]

I had a slight problem with the final book's pregnancy since I could accept bizarre medical explanation in fictions but Meyer should research about the matter first before carving it all just to make a weird half-blood legend for the plot. Like really, wiki pregnancy and how its made, simple.

But the paradox problem is not just in Breaking Dawn. In Eclipse, I actually felt Rosalie's pain because she lost her dream suddenly and she can't have kids. In Breaking Dawn, now we know that Emmett can. Ok, thats kinda mess up with things right?

[Gerd]

Lindis wrote: "Blade has his strength and speed going for him, but most of his weapons depend on the fact that (in his world) vampires burn up in the sun. So, that's a downfall for him. Plus, Blade would have to threaten Bella or Nessie to even get poor whiny Edward to fight. Edwards a lover not a fighter.
..."
One could almost say:
Edward sucks as a fighter... :D


Iyana wrote: "that is so true , i agree i mean if the males can still produce sperm while being half dead then the females can produce eggs just as well and could indeed use a surrogate mom if the female vamps half dead body could not support a living thing in her body
..."

You then have only the problem left that there's a foetus growing in the surrogates womb with the super human strength and the other unpredictable powers of a vampire in Meyer's world.
Somehow I don't see that end well - not that it would matter to the foetus which would likely be nigh as indestructible as his vampire mother.

[Molly]

I think someone should write a story where vampires aren't really dead per se, more like they catch a virus that makes them have venom, hard skin, etc... And maybe that virus makes them have xeroderma pigmentosum (the condition that makes it so the sunlight burns your skin).
It would allow for various explanations regarding reproduction and what-not.

But I guess we're discussing why vampires sparkle, and I seem to have gotten off-topic

[Molly]

Lena-
Your book sounds awesome, I'm totally going to read it!!

[Saewod]

Molly wrote: "I think someone should write a story where vampires aren't really dead per se, more like they catch a virus that makes them have venom, hard skin, etc... And maybe that virus makes them have xerode..."

Sounds like you have an idea there.

[Library Lady 📚]

Molly, thanks!

In the True Blood/Sookie Stackhouse series, the vampires call vampirism a virus that makes them allergic to sunlight/garlic, etc. Also, in "The Passage," the vampires are called Virals because they catch some kind of virus (from bats?) They dont ever say the things are vampires, and they are sort of like a vampire/zombie combo, but they sleep upside down like bats & drink human blood, cant stand sunlight, etc. So that is already sort of a book! :)

[Molly]

Lena wrote: "Molly, thanks!

In the True Blood/Sookie Stackhouse series, the vampires call vampirism a virus that makes them allergic to sunlight/garlic, etc. Also, in "The Passage," the vampires are called ..."

Thanks for the tip, I'll have to check that out! A virus makes much more sense to me than a person becoming the 'undead,' although I suppose that's the fun of fiction: it doesn't have to make sense. I sure do love all the many theories out there though, as they make for interesting discussions just like this one! :-)

[Lindis]

Nurlely wrote: "Lindis wrote: "Really? I think you need to find something else to argue about.
Carlisle is a Doctor not a Mad Scientist. I don't think it would be possible to get an egg out of a female body. "

As..."

Umm, yes I've read the books three times. I was well aware of what you pointed out. I'm sorry you didn't get my joke. Maybe I'm not that good at it.

[Lindis]

Chelsea wrote: "you guys don't harsh my mellow .... let me believe vampires have sparkles just like werewolves have hair. (i know they do so no rude comments please and thank u)thank u thank u very much have a nic..."

He he he, I like that "harsh my mellow" I was born with an argument gene, got it from my dad. I just like to try to prove my point, or prove others wrong. I love the Twilight series, and I think that Meyer's reasoning for why female vamires cannot reproduce, and why males can, is completely reasonable. I think she did a good job giving us reasons. No one will change my mind. : ) You have a nice day too! : )

[Lindis]

Lena wrote: "Okay, so a male vamp maybe could ejaculate, but his sperm could not stay alive for a hundred years.
I read your long explanation, Lindis, and thanks for taking the time to type all that out. i ju..."

Oh my, I am totally LOL! This is getting gross!
Yeah, it is funny how alot of these treads start as one thing and turn into another.

Meyer says that the fluids in the vampire's body are "venom like" She then says that only the sliva of the vampire is "venomous" I guess that's the difference. (I'm laughing about writing this next part) So, I guess, that the vampire's "spunk" (as I like to call it) would be different than a humans. And since Bella is a virgin when she meets Edward. She wouldn't have anything to compare it to!!! So I guess that's why it didn't bother her! he he he This is getting funny!

[Lindis]

Syahira wrote: "I had a slight problem with the final book's pregnancy since I could accept bizarre medical explanation in fictions but Meyer should research about the matter first before carving it all just to ma..."

But if you remember, the Cullens didn't even think that it was possible. So thinking that Rosalie could of had a child through Emmett and a human mother, it not even an issue. Maybe they thought about it after Bella got pregnant. But I think that they'd have a hard time putting a human at risk. They found out later that Bella is the only one that ever survived the process. Mostly because she was turned immediately after the birth. And (they learn later) that the only way that the baby could be born was to tear it's own way out of the woumb, therefore killing the mother. Edward delivered Nessie with his own teeth, instead of the baby tearing the heck out of mom. And besides can you imagine the conversation?!

"Okay you fragile human, would you please make love to my vampire husband, so he can impregnate you with a hybred baby. Oh and by the way, you won't live through it. Yeah we could turn you into a vampire but you can't have your child afterwards, it's mine."
And yes, I believe that Rosalie would do that.

Sorry, and on a personal note, I hate Rosalie. : )

[Lauren]

Personally i wouldnt class twilight in the same genre as classic vampires, its true they dont sparkle they are ruthless murders sucking humans dry of blood. Twilight is something new its more its a modern love story with a new class of vampires which i dont think are supposed to be classic vampires. It is a new era of vampire that has captured the hearts of millions of teens so it must be doing something right, maybe vampires needed to be modernised in order to survive the times.

[Lindis]

Lauren wrote: "Personally i wouldnt class twilight in the same genre as classic vampires, its true they dont sparkle they are ruthless murders sucking humans dry of blood. Twilight is something new its more its a..."

Wow! Very well said! I like that!

[[deleted user]]

OK, here is from google...you see I am VERY GOOD AT BIOLOGY:

Question - Roughly how many eggs does a typical human female have at
birth? How many of these are lost during ovulation over a lifetime and
what happens to the remaining eggs after the menopause?
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Dear Giles:

The best answer that I came up with for you is found in an article on
"Inducing Ovulation" from the Healthology Health Information Library:

http://www.healthology.com/focus_arti...
duction

It states that "Women are born with a finite number of eggs. At birth, a
woman has around 1 to 2 million eggs. However, throughout her life, a
woman loses eggs through a destructive process called atresia. At
puberty, only around 400,000 eggs remain. Throughout the reproductive
life span, from puberty until menopause, women lose about 1,000 eggs each
month. Of these thousand eggs, only one is released. Once released, it is
picked up by the fallopian tube. If a couple has sexual intercourse around
this time, fertilization (the joining of the egg and sperm) may take place."

Finally, according to the following article on "Menopause, Estrogen Loss,
and Their Treatments " from the UC Davis Health System (
http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/health/a... ), "As a
woman ages, her supply of eggs declines. Menopause occurs naturally after
the woman's supply of follicles has been depleted and menstruation ends
completely. (Menopause may also be induced if the ovaries are surgically
removed.)"
So there you have it. Thanks a lot for the interesting questions,

Jeff Buzby, Ph.D.
Children's Hospital of Orange County

NEWTON AAS
Division of Educational Programs
Argonne National Laboratory

[[deleted user]]

Dhaval wrote: "Friends it could be possible that you dont like sparkling Vampires :)

But I still like the explanation of it in 'Short second life..' where she said - if humans saw sparkling vampires from dista..."

I for ONE LOVE sparkly vampires. The whole idea is simply captivating. But then I am mesmerized by anything that sparkles. Sometimes I wish that those who don't like the sparkles would just go away.

[[deleted user]]

I really don't like Eric. I much prefer Bill Compton but I prefer the Cullens over these vampires except that I find Bubba to be very funny and entertaining.

For a vampire Bill has amazing manners. (so super rare)

[[deleted user]]

I don't prefer a good bad ass vampire.. not me. the bad ass ones make my skin crawl. James is so horrifying that I have to get up and walk out of the room most every time I watch Twilight (own the DVD). James must have been a monster when he was human and then his worst traits became more prominent when there were no controls over him. (like the Green River killer or Ted Bundy)

The thing so fascinating about Edward is that he has a conscience! Such an amazing idea. Maybe that is why he sparkles as his good energy is coming out like an aura.

[[deleted user]]

sigh, I see we are going down to wrestling mentality here....how boring.....

[Lindis]

Lady Alice wrote: "OK, here is from google...you see I am VERY GOOD AT BIOLOGY:

Question - Roughly how many eggs does a typical human female have at
birth? How many of these are lost during ovulation over a lifeti..."

Wow! That sums it up! Thanks. So, even if the eggs that a woman has in her body at the time, don't die during the change. Like obviously, the sperm of a man doesn't.
It would still be impossible for her to pass and egg to the woumb, becuase she no longer mensturates, no period, no place for baby to develop.
You'd have to do some sort of crazy vampire surgery to get the female egg out of the vampire. I guess it could be done. Since the felmale vampire would just heal up from it. And she can NOT carry the baby herself because her belly would not expand, it would just crush the fetus as it grew.
However, I REALLY don't think that the human host would survive that!!! Because the fetus would be completely vampire!!!! Can you imagine what that would be like? I'm sure the serrogate would have to drink blood 24/7 to nourish the baby. AND since a newborn cannot control their craving for blood. I'm sure that as soon as the baby developed teeth, it would be impossible for it not to feed on it's own host.

I'm sorry for being graphic, but that's the way I see it. I think It's totally IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! What do you guys think????

[[deleted user]]

Hi Lindis, Breaking Dawn is the hardest book for me to read for the reasons you mention here. Bella did die as it was impossible for her carrying a part vampire baby.
Can you imagine her physical pain? I don't even know if I can endure to see the movie.

Stephenie Meyer has the most incredible imagination! But as you drive from Port Angeles to Forks you do get some "vibes" and the feel for her imagination working overtime. I cannot even begin to describe it.

Remember this is all FANTASY. I know you are addicted to it like me.

Does the music play in your head too?

Twilight...."you are like a drug for me!!!!!"

addicted,
Alice Cullen

[Lindis]

Lady Alice wrote: "Hi Lindis, Breaking Dawn is the hardest book for me to read for the reasons you mention here. Bella did die as it was impossible for her carrying a part vampire baby.
Can you imagine her physical..."

Yeah, I find myself hearing the music from the movies all the time. I think "Supermassive Blackhole" is my favorite all time tune! Plus, alot of the more mellow songs from the soundracks are unforgettable.

[Molly]

Lindis wrote: "Lady Alice wrote: "OK, here is from google...you see I am VERY GOOD AT BIOLOGY:

Question - Roughly how many eggs does a typical human female have at
birth? How many of these are lost during ..."

I agree that impregnating a female vampire, and/or using a surrogate host would be very difficult, and nearly impossible. However, couldn't they grow it in a lab in an artificial womb? I know they have 'test-tube babies' nowadays and with all the tons of advancements in medical technology, and Carlisle being a doctor....
I don't know, just a thought :-)