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Vampires don't sparkle.
I don't mind sparkling character, even metaphorically. Meyer actually dreamt the lion lamb scene with Edward sparkling. But why in the world would she make them a vampire and she seems to cross over with the Southern Vamp series. Sookie a mind-reader (and slightly a fae) and Bill an emo (supermanipulative) vamp into a mindreading teenage vampire called Edward. ]Personally, I could pass Edward as faerie with glitters if I replaced every line with "vampire" on it with "fairy". some scottish fae do drink blood you know.
p/s: I spend a year as a twihard. Sad sad time.
Agreed totally with Syahire.
Roger wrote: "There have been dozens of dissertations done on the appeal of vampires in fiction. All agree on the sexual appeal of the bodily fluid exchange, ..."I always found that to be the one of the more compelling arguments against vampire stories, the more you think about this whole suck fest the more yuk and off turning it becomes, but it does add a whole different meaning to the spreading plague following in the vampire's wake in "Nosferatu."
That sounds interesting! I've not read Nosferatu, but it sounds cool. i mean, if vamps are parasites, they can spread disease, right? I touched on this when i wrote about vampires, but I hadn't heard about a PLAGUE spreading b/c of them. That's pretty cool, maybe i should check out the classic vamp?
Chameleon wrote: "Now I know I may seem a little harsh, but vampires are supposed to be blood thirsty, ruthless, evil creatures. They disintegrate in the sun and are totally baddass. Right? Am I alone in thinking th..."Considering they are not exactly real...I guess that is open for interpretation. Thats the joy of writing...you can create a whole new world with whole new rules. :P
Tatjana wrote: "I just think she was trying to come up with something different from every other vampire book out there -- and FAILED miserably. By far the dumbest vampire quality EVER. Period."I think that just depends on how you determine what a failure is. Many many millions and many movies and what not later...I've seen better books make less money...
Heather wrote: "Seems like it was a pretty good ideal. She has been made rich by them...so I'd say the number who like the sparkle completely out weigh those who don't. Not to mention a person shouldn't get bashed..."I like this comment. To each their own.
Lena wrote: "That sounds interesting! I've not read Nosferatu, but it sounds cool. i mean, if vamps are parasites, they can spread disease, right? I touched on this when i wrote about vampires, but I hadn't hea...""Nosferatu" is a classic of German silent cinema.
Actually it plagiarized "Dracula", the makers just added some minor changes to Stoker's story.
It’s worth seeing, Max Schreck (or respectively Klaus Kinski in the remake) is far removed from the suave vampire count we typically know from novels and movies.
It's in public domain now and can be downloaded for free from the Archives site:
http://www.archive.org/search.php?que...
Calli wrote: "I feel like the whole appeal of vampires is the dangerous edge. I know that sounds unhealthy, but it's true. Besides, who reads books about vampires looking for something realistic or in any way ..."Well put, I couldn't agree more! Poor Mr. Chuckles... :-(
Okay, the books and movies may have sucked for a lot of us, but let's face it: Stephenie Meyer geared her series to the younger crowd, anywhere from 10 to 19 year-olds, because she knew that would be her ticket to success. I don't know if the entire series was solely her idea, or if she had lots of help from her publisher (the latter seems more likely), but she's smart in that she knew what crowd the Twilight series would draw. The Twilight series seems REALLY juvenile and stupid to me, but I suppose that's because that's the crowd it's meant for. Which is why she's making a lot more money than other, better authors are. The darn kids haven't had a chance to read any other vampire literature, so they don't know any better
Gregory wrote: "The way I see it is...first of all it makes no sense to say the sparkling is to show the good in a vampire. That's clear because the sparkling proves to people that they are a vampire (I don't unde..."That's a nice thought process and all, but I think you're reading into it too much. Meyer just needed something to get all her preteen fans hyped up, so she made her vampires sparkle. At least, that's the way I see it...
Yeah, I don't care for the Twilight series or Stephenie Meyer, I just felt compelled to throw that out there for some reason. I have no clue why she made vampires sparkle. And you know how in the second book (New Moon), Jasper almost attacked Bella because of a little tiny paper cut? Not only did that seems like the stupidest, dramatic scene of all time, but why didn't Alice see that coming? Just something that always irritated me
Molly wrote: "Yeah, I don't care for the Twilight series or Stephenie Meyer, I just felt compelled to throw that out there for some reason. I have no clue why she made vampires sparkle. And you know how in the s..."Yeah, that papercut scene...lol... makes you wonder. ALSO, if the vampires have enough self control not to drink human blood but to stick to animals, you'd think they could control themselves around a papercut. It's not like she was gushing blood onto his face or something.
Chameleon wrote: "Gregory wrote: "The way I see it is...first of all it makes no sense to say the sparkling is to show the good in a vampire. That's clear because the sparkling proves to people that they are a vampi..."Yeah, I was just trying to see a plausible reason for it although I probably over did it. Does sparkling "hype" teens up? That's a strange thought...
Lena wrote: "Molly wrote: "Yeah, I don't care for the Twilight series or Stephenie Meyer, I just felt compelled to throw that out there for some reason. I have no clue why she made vampires sparkle. And you kno..."Actually, Carlisle is the only one of them that can really resist human blood. In the papercut scene, Jasper is the one that Edward was protecting Bella from. I think that Alice and Esme mentioned that the scent bothered them, but the rest left to help Jasper, and Carlisle sent Edward to go console his brother while he patched Bella up.
Just because a vampire (in Twilight) lives on animal blood does not mean that human blood does nothing for them anymore. They still have to fight a battle everyday to not attack humans, the craving for human blood never goes away. So yes, just a little papercut could cause a big problem.
It was a problem for Jasper because he is the "newest" vampire like them. It was Edward that over reacted and threw Bella into the glass and cut open her arm and made the others uncomfortable. It might not have been such a big deal if Edward would have just chilled out!
Okay, here you go, I think I've posted this a while ago, but here it is again, the reason why the vampires sparkle. Taken directly form Meyer's latest book. "The Twilight Saga: the Offical Illustrated Guide" "Reaction to Sunlight: In direct sunlight, disparity between human and vampire becomes more obvious. The cellular membrane of the vampire is not as soft or permeable as in a human cell; it has crystalline properties that cause the surface of vampire skin to react prismatically, giving the vampire a glitter-like shimmer in sunlight." page 68
I guess this is how I see it, everyone is intitled to their own view. It had nothing to do with trapping in teenage readers. It had to do with science. In several different vampire stories, the skin of the vampire is said to be different, some say their skin is just as soft as ours. Others, like Twilight, their skin is tougher, with stone like qualities. It's these stone like qualities that the sparkle somes from. Like several natural stones in nature, and I don't just mean diamonds, even some kinds of granite have a bit of sparkle to it. Did Meyer take it to the extreme, or a little too far, maybe. But she did have a reason for it besides trying to suck in stupid teenagers.
I guess the "Science" got applied as a late afterthought here, however, the reason the sparkling bothers me, besides that it simply looks silly in my mind, is that it gives Meyer's vampires no real drawback at all and you have to ask yourself:If looking a bit like the late Liberace in sunlight is the only downside to being a vamp, why are there so few of them?
I tend to agree with people that vampires should be critters, erm, creatures of the night.
There has to be at last something they have to have give up for their eternal live, and it should be something more substantial than "Oh, noes. I may have lost my soul!"
Because who cares for a soul when he lives forever?
F-o-r-e-v-e-r.
You realize what that means, don't you?
That nobody's ever going to come to collect, you don't need a soul anymore once you're immortal.
Gerd wrote: "I guess the "Science" got applied as a late afterthought here, however, the reason the sparkling bothers me, besides that it simply looks silly in my mind, is that it gives Meyer's vampires no real..."I love your post! Both the part about souls and the part about there being so few of them. I have to admit, that bothered me so much in the two vampire series I read, and that's what made me write my own spin on the whole vampire thing.
I've heard the argument about their sparkling coming from the granite-like surface of them--it just cracks me up b/c the way they are described, it would be obvious to most people that they arent regular folks WAY before they started glittering like disco balls. To give SM credit, I dont think she intended for them to sparkle *quite* as much as they do in the movies. That was just hilariously awful!
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Lindis wrote: "It had nothing to do with trapping in teenage readers. It had to do with science."But then that doesn't completely answer the question...it probably makes more. First of all, "scientifically" vampire burn up in the sun. So, why don't these? Then, what does this mean on a deeper level...If they only sparkle...why not go out in the sun? Is someone going to kill them? Ha ha! Why does she rid these vamps of death by sunlight but keep some of the other methods...although I forget which ones they are....
To kill a MEyer vampire, you must cut the head off (or rip it off--that seems more popular method in the books) and burn them. i guess the heads grow back on if you dont? not sure...but that's the only way to kill them.
Lena wrote: "To kill a MEyer vampire, you must cut the head off (or rip it off--that seems more popular method in the books) and burn them. i guess the heads grow back on if you dont? not sure...but that's the ..."Ah yes, thanks for reminding me...Its funny how they have the least weakness' of any vampires I've ever heard of but they are probably the sissiest vamps too.
Yes!! they do sparkle!!!
How come they only ever show Edward glittering around? I mean, I know a lot of the scenes focused on Bella and Edward so there wasn't much opportunity, but wouldn't it have been funny to see big, bad-ass Emmett running around sparkling? Ha!
Bella wrote: "Yes!! they do sparkle!!!"Yes they do
Molly wrote: "Anastaisa wrote: "Molly wrote: "Am I the only one that absolutely hates Vampire Diaries? The books were so stupid and G-rated, I thought it was way worse than Twilight. Maybe that's just me though"..."already there has been two seasons that past and i think there will be 1 more so if your gonna watch it which you should then watch it from the beginning...
Anastaisa wrote: "Molly wrote: "Anastaisa wrote: "Molly wrote: "Am I the only one that absolutely hates Vampire Diaries? The books were so stupid and G-rated, I thought it was way worse than Twilight. Maybe that's j..."I subscribed to that instant movie thingy from Netflix, so I figure I'll look for it there that way I can start from the beginning and work my way up. I'm definitely looking forward to discussing it with you! :-)
Gerd wrote: "I guess the "Science" got applied as a late afterthought here, however, the reason the sparkling bothers me, besides that it simply looks silly in my mind, is that it gives Meyer's vampires no real..."Things that make you go "Hmmmmm?"
I like your thinking here, very interesting.
Gregory wrote: "Lindis wrote: "It had nothing to do with trapping in teenage readers. It had to do with science."But then that doesn't completely answer the question...it probably makes more. First of all, "scie..."
Why not go out into the sun? Eash answer, because humans would know that they're different. Maybe they wouldn't think vampire right away, but humans would deffinately know they were supernatural.
Lena wrote: "To kill a MEyer vampire, you must cut the head off (or rip it off--that seems more popular method in the books) and burn them. i guess the heads grow back on if you dont? not sure...but that's the ..."Yeah, In "The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner" Meyer kinda get's into how that's possible. Not really with a head, but if a vampire get's a arm or a leg ripped off, they can put it back together. (don't exatcly remember how) I think it's a matter of holding it in place until the tissue mends together. It's not instant, the vampire would be out of commision for a little while, vulnerable, but it's possible. I would say that IF they got their head ripped off, and not burned, they would need the assistance of another vampire to help them heal. I don't know what they'd do if they were alone at the time. ??????
Molly wrote: "How come they only ever show Edward glittering around? I mean, I know a lot of the scenes focused on Bella and Edward so there wasn't much opportunity, but wouldn't it have been funny to see big, b..."he he he, I for one would like to see Emmett sparkle.
I believe alice may sparkle in the one where they go to Italy, or she at least wears a scarf and is careful about not getting in the sunlight when she drives around. Also, when Alice has the vision of Bella as a vampires, she sparkles as she runs in slow motion through the forest...i laughed so hard ppl in the theater were shushing me, lol...
Lindis wrote: "Molly wrote: "How come they only ever show Edward glittering around? I mean, I know a lot of the scenes focused on Bella and Edward so there wasn't much opportunity, but wouldn't it have been funny..."How 'bout it!! :-)
Chameleon wrote: "Now I know I may seem a little harsh, but vampires are supposed to be blood thirsty, ruthless, evil creatures. They disintegrate in the sun and are totally baddass. Right? Am I alone in thinking th..."YES. When I think of Vampires, I think of Dracula, eastern european faerie stories my grandparents would tell me and the things Buffy slayed.
The only person who is allowed to glitter and still be a bamf is David Bowie, not Edward Cullen or other scary monsters and super creeps.
Breanna wrote: "I think Meyer made the whole saga to predictable.... We all knew she would be with Edward, and we all new she would live and become a vampire.... But that's just my opinion. I think it would of bee..."agreed. I remember I read them way back in middle school to see what all the hype was and had the same opinion. I was very unthrilled by them, and they were poorly written, in my opinion.
Lady Alice wrote: "What is a bamf???"Usually a sound made by a teleporting X-Men leaving behind a sulfurous smell...
but it can also stand for "B/A Motherf..."
Gerd wrote: "Lady Alice wrote: "What is a bamf???"Usually a sound made by a teleporting X-Men leaving behind a sulfurous smell...
but it can also stand for "B/A Motherf...""
Or a noise coming from the public restrooms
What i dont get, that someone mentioned earlier, is...WHO IN TWILIGHT CARES IF VAMPIRES SPARKLE? I'm not talking about the readers. I mean, why would Meyer Vamps even care if ppl knew they sparkled, or for that matter, were vampires? No one can kill them, b/c a mere human lacks the strength to rip their heads off, making them only vulnerable to other vampires. So why do they care if ppl know they are vampires???
Lena wrote: "What i dont get, that someone mentioned earlier, is...WHO IN TWILIGHT CARES IF VAMPIRES SPARKLE? I'm not talking about the readers. I mean, why would Meyer Vamps even care if ppl knew they sparkled..."Maybe they're shy
I guess i dont remember that. They seemed very invincible to me. Does the book mention what kinds of weapons humans have that kill vampires?Yes, i know the volturi could kill them, but they are part of the vampire world that i'm talking about. So i dont know why they all try to stay hidden, volturi included.
Ah, well, that's something that's always bothered me about vampire books. But I came up with my own solution, so I'm not going to complain anymore! :)
Okay, so I'm late to this conversation, but must jump in.While I appreciate Meyer taking an old idea and putting a fresh twist on it, no fangs, vampire venom, sparkling in sun, etc. And I will also admit to my appreciation of the Twilight series and it's characters.
Now, having said that, Eric Northman would totally use Edward as a disco ball in Club Dead.
I'm just saying.
V. Saewod wrote: "Okay, so I'm late to this conversation, but must jump in.While I appreciate Meyer taking an old idea and putting a fresh twist on it, no fangs, vampire venom, sparkling in sun, etc. And I will..."
LMAO!!!! Yes, Eric would do that...after he made Edward bow before him and kiss his feet. Lol.
Dhaval wrote: "But if they exposed themselves then how they get human blood as food (except for Cullens) because humans will afraid of vampires eventually...."Well, they should have very little trouble herding & breeding us like cattle so the blood supply would be the least of their worries.
Gerd wrote: "Dhaval wrote: "But if they exposed themselves then how they get human blood as food (except for Cullens) because humans will afraid of vampires eventually...."Well, they should have very little..."
Sounds like you have the makings of a vampire book. ;o)
V. Saewod wrote: "Okay, so I'm late to this conversation, but must jump in.While I appreciate Meyer taking an old idea and putting a fresh twist on it, no fangs, vampire venom, sparkling in sun, etc. And I will..."
Sure, Eric would totally do that. But you forget...EDWARD can walk in the SUN! Eric would burn up like BBQ. Not to mention, Edward only sparkles in sunlight...and there is no sunlight in Club Dead...
BTW...I'm not defending Edward cause I like him better...I really don't...but unfortunately all the Meyer vamps have an advantage over more traditional vamps. I'd like to see Blade visit Forks for a while...HA HA HA!
Dhaval wrote: "excellent Gregory... lets have fight with Blade and Edward alone and am sure Eddy can win over Blade...atleast with mind-reading tricks.. lol"
Blade has killed some of the worst (as in coolest) vampires ever! I doubt Edward can really put up a fight...Also Blade has none of the traditional weakness' either. I don't know if mind reading would much help in a battle, there isn't much thinking going on....
Lady Alice wrote: "What is a bamf???"badass motherfucker.
Gregory wrote: "Dhaval wrote: "excellent Gregory... lets have fight with Blade and Edward alone and am sure Eddy can win over Blade...atleast with mind-reading tricks.. lol"
Blade has killed some of the worst (..."
OMG...that would be highlarious!
Btw...the disco ball was simply a way of saying how much more badass Eric is in the traditional vampire sense. :o)
Gerd wrote: "Well, they should have very little trouble herding & breeding us like cattle so the blood supply would be the least of their worries. ...."
Yep, that's my book.
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