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Vampires don't sparkle.
ohhh nooo stefan over damon and edward over james or jacob!! :>
Nurlely wrote: "Breanna wrote: "Who cares if they sparkle, yah there "supposed" to turn to dust, but she changed it up a little to those who approve. I don't really care for the series, but in the world of writing..."I think you're one of the few people who mention Jasper as someone of interest - and I totally agree. Poor Jasper gets left out way too often. He's such a tortured soul, but super hot in his own way.
Meyer was not the first writer that made her vampires not “blood thirsty, ruthless, evil creatures”. The entire Twilight series was, at its heart, NOT a horror series. Neither was it really a Paranormal series. It was a ROMANCE! Meyer created a romanticized view of vampires, because that was what she wanted to write about. They sparkled simply because that fit the first image that popped into her head. Someone else already said this, but she had a dream that had a young couple in a meadow and the young man sparkled. The entire series sprang from that first scene.What grammar errors are people so bothered by? The story was written in the first person point of view of a teenage girl. Are we really expecting perfect grammar from a teenage girl?
Teenage girl or not, this is fiction. The least they could've done was fixed the grammar. Not that I was bothered by it, anyway. :))I like Twilight, but SPARKLING vampires? Seriously? Like are they jewels or something? They weren't meant to sparkle in the sun, they're dead!
i think the whole sparkle thing was really gay and stupid and it just ruined everything (even more xD).... also i think she should have done something like VAMIRE DIARIES (best show ever) where they made a reason and purpose in a really clever way. DAMMMMOONNNN ALLLL THEEE WAYYYYY!!!!! hes hot, clever, smart, completly bad-ass and I ....LOOOOOVVVEEEE.... HIM!!!!!!!!!! <3 <3 <3 <3 no joke xD
Kendra wrote: "I used to play vampires with my friends at night on the trampoline or play in the backyard sipping red koolaide.and always had those big plastic fangs.
I loved the movie The Little Vampire! It wa..."
Same here...
Tatjana wrote: "I just think she was trying to come up with something different from every other vampire book out there -- and FAILED miserably. By far the dumbest vampire quality EVER. Period."Heehee. That's true though...
Juliet wrote: "Agreed, I actually prefer the stereotypes to the hug-a-tree loving "vegetarian" vampires."Yeah, cruel, bloodsucking, evil vampires are just waaaaaay cooler in every way!
Okay, I can agree with some of you that the sparkiling thing is a little bit weird.But do you guys get why they sparkle? There is a reason, not "just because".
It's a way to attract prey to the preditor. Just like how some animials in nature mimmic other things, to lure their prey in. The sparkling is just a way to mesmerize a victim, to get closer. And yes, I know that vampires really don't need it. They're strong and fast. But that's just the way it is.
I've said it before. If I saw a hot guy staring at me, sparkling in the sun. I'd do a double take, and maybe even want to get closer! : )
Happy Reading!
Lindis wrote: "Okay, I can agree with some of you that the sparkiling thing is a little bit weird.But do you guys get why they sparkle? There is a reason, not "just because".
It's a way to attract prey to the ..."
I don't have anything against sparkling vampires per say, but it just seems a bit cheesy. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the books for what they were, enjoyment reading - which often includes the ridiculous. I just don't understand why some people take it so seriously (personally) when others think some aspect of a book is a little bit stupid to them. It's all one opinion over another. That's why I enjoy goodreads, to get each person's different take on something that I've read or plan to read. Sometimes I discover a different aspect to a book or think again about something I've read based upon these comments. I don't take them personally though.
And I will agree with you on that final point - If I did meet some hot guy who was sparkling, I would certainly do a double take:)
WeLL If yOU LoOk AT It THE Way StEpHANie pictUred THE stoRY yOu cAn shE wANTed HEr vAMpS TO be more....LETS see HMMMMM.. SHE WANTED theM TO be difFENRENT thaN THoSE oTHer vampirES eVerYone WriTes ABouT shE dIDn't wanT cold and soulLESS (NO PUN INTENDED)IlIKE DAT SHE haS hER chaRacTers THAT waY. tHAT makeS them EVEN MORE Dangerous SOMEtHING LIKE LURING THE PREY in BY THE SparKLE.
To the person that thinks the whole sparkle thing was gay....did you ever see a gay person sparkle? So what's so gay about it? I think that comment was very immature. The author chose to be different and not mimic every other person that has written a vampire story...so kudos to her. I agree with Breanna.
Lindis wrote: "Okay, I can agree with some of you that the sparkiling thing is a little bit weird.But do you guys get why they sparkle? There is a reason, not "just because".
It's a way to attract prey to the ..."
I'm just curious but does anyone know of any natural predator that sparkles to attract its prey? Just wondering if there is an example that might address whether or not the idea that vampires sparkle is ridiculous. I'm not particularly fond of the whole sparkly vampire thing but I'd find it easier to accept if there was an example of something similar.
I'm not overly bothered by the fact that vampires in Twilight can walk around in sunlight, (I'm pretty sure that in Stokers Dracula, Dracula himself appeared on the corner of a busy London street in the middle of the day) but I would have preferred a more interesting take on why they are able to move about in sunlight and why, even though they are not harmed by it, they prefer to avoid being out in direct sunlight where possible.
No, I don't think any predator sparkles to attract prey, but there are animals that glow. As for why they do that, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that it's not to attract prey. So yeah. Sparkling to attract prey is rather silly...
Tayanna wrote: "why in the world did they make vampires sparkle throughout the decades of vampires not one of them as sparkled they burned and turned to dust and i wished that would have happened to edward because..."Same here...
Shanesha wrote: "WeLL If yOU LoOk AT It THE Way StEpHANie pictUred THE stoRY yOu cAn shE wANTed HEr vAMpS TO be more....LETS see HMMMMM.. SHE WANTED theM TO be difFENRENT thaN THoSE oTHer vampirES eVerYone WriTes A..."Do we really need to type like this? Makes me really not want to read what you have to say. Sorry.
Laura wrote: "Lindis wrote: "Okay, I can agree with some of you that the sparkiling thing is a little bit weird.But do you guys get why they sparkle? There is a reason, not "just because".
It's a way to attract..."
I did not say that there WAS a creature in nature that DID sparkle to attract it's prey. I was using that as an example, like the Alligator Snapping Turtle, moss and alge grow on it's head and shell to make it appear like a rock to prey, it also wiggles it's pink tongue out to look make it look like a worm to attract fish, prey. Would you rather the vampire dangle a diamond ring and throw hundred dollar bills to attract it's prey? (I know, you're thinking, that would be better than sparkling)
I understand that you think that it's ridiculous, and that's okay. I get it, It's not for everyone. I was just trying to help those that don't get it, understand the theory behind it. I guess I'm fighting a loosing battle. Oh well, no harm done.
Happy Reading!
Lindis wrote: "Do we really need to type like this? Makes me really not want to read what you have to say. Sorry..."She probably just fell on her keyboard. :)
Chameleon wrote: "No, I don't think any predator sparkles to attract prey, but there are animals that glow. As for why they do that, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that it's not to attract prey..."
Actually, some deep sea predators do that.
They use Bio Luminiscence (<-Spelling?) to attract prey.
Also you have to keep in mind that a vampire would evolve adapted to hunt humans.
Just like Faeries do.
what some are forgetting....this is fiction and the author has the right to create the story as she wanted.
Lindis wrote: "Laura wrote: "Lindis wrote: "Okay, I can agree with some of you that the sparkiling thing is a little bit weird.But do you guys get why they sparkle? There is a reason, not "just because".
It's ..."
I understood that you didnt say there was a creature that sparkles to attract its prey I was just curious whether there was one that did, I knew about deep sea fish and the bio luminescence thing but I thought your comment on the snapping turtle was very interesting and something I'd not heard of before.
My main difficulty with the whole sparkling thing is that I don't really see why vampires would need to sparkle, I mean they're super strong and super fast, many are really agile and some are exceptionally stealthy, some transform into animals, some fly and others seduce their prey with an almost mesmerizing or hypnotic gaze. And all this is before we get to the mind readers and the ones with visions of the future.
I understand it's Meyer's story and she can write what she likes, I also get that she dreamt about the meadow scene and wanted to include it, and that she wanted her vampires to be different in some way - I just find it difficult to believe that the ability to sparkle is somehow beneficial to a vampire - but then perhaps it's just me.
Wow I'll shut up now, honestly didn't mean to type so much :)
when i read the book and i got to the sparkle in the sun,i thought that was the gayest thing ever.....even the show vampire diaries was wayyyyy better than this...the vampires BURN not SPARKLE....
Stephenie Meyer has every right to write anything she love in her books. Like sparkling vampires. I also have the right to laugh at the idea and feel it as an embarrassment to vampire world. But I do understand that Twilight was meant to be romance novel, with handsome and beautiful males and females, wrapped with supernatural world in a clever way.
celina wrote: "when i read the book and i got to the sparkle in the sun,i thought that was the gayest thing ever.....even the show vampire diaries was wayyyyy better than this...the vampires BURN not SPARKLE...."Oh I totally LOVE the Vampire Diaries show! But have you read the books? I have read a few and the show and the books are WAY different!
Okay, now I have to backtrack. I am now reading the Official Twilight Guide. And my (and my friends's) theory on the sparkle thing was wrong. Although, I still think it was a good one! : )It says, page 68, and I quote, REACTION TO SUNLIGHT "In direct sunlight, the disparity between human and vampire becomes more obvious. The cellullar membrane of the vampire is not as soft or permeable as in a human cell; it has crystalline properties that cause the surface of vampire skin to react prismatically giving the vampire a glitter-like shimmer in sunlight."
I guess, like some rock surfaces do? Huh, I can understand if some of you still think it's corney. : ) he he he And I'm starting to think, with that deffinition, that maybe the sparkle in the book was not supposed to be as dramatic as it was in the movie. That it was more subtle in the book, giving this "perfect beautiful creature" a kind of glow, rather than a sparkle.
Okay, I'll shut up too! : ) Do I over think the books I like or what?!?! he he he
I think its simply wonderful as it makes them seem more like angels. I think Edward is very much like an angel and not some of the silly ones I have read about recently in a few books like Angels Blood.
If vampires are too wicked I cannot read about them as it scares me too much. I have tried to read Dracula twice since its a classic but each time I have to stop from terror. I like a little scare but not to be totally horrified.
I love to read about truly beautiful things. Another nice vampire is in Lifeblood. Also Forever Knight has a vampire with a conscience who feels sad about what he has done and wants to make amends.
What would anyone want to read about something totally wicked with no redeeming features?
Twilight
Dracula
Angels' Blood
Lifeblood
Forever Knight: Intimations of Mortality
If vampires are too wicked I cannot read about them as it scares me too much. I have tried to read Dracula twice since its a classic but each time I have to stop from terror. I like a little scare but not to be totally horrified.
I love to read about truly beautiful things. Another nice vampire is in Lifeblood. Also Forever Knight has a vampire with a conscience who feels sad about what he has done and wants to make amends.
What would anyone want to read about something totally wicked with no redeeming features?
Twilight
Dracula
Angels' Blood
Lifeblood
Forever Knight: Intimations of Mortality
Excellent point Lindis! I think in Charlaine Harris books the vampires have a glow which Sookie notices but many do not.
Laura wrote: "I just find it difficult to believe that the ability to sparkle is somehow beneficial to a vampire - but then perhaps it's just me."Agreed.
There's no need for her vampires to sparkle, or to use any other means of decoy, because there's nothing their prey could do, neither to hurt them nor to escape them.
She's clearly been falling for the trap to give out superpowers to her characters like they were mere candy. Not caring much about the implication.
But then again, I don't think that "twilight" was ever meant to be that closely examined, but rather was planned as a "throw away" novel.
Just like most Romances are.
Sorry!! Please feel free to comment again.Anyway i really do like that she made vampires sparkle not burn. What that means is she wanted to different and clever.she actually showed how more dangerous her vamps can be because they can go out in the sun only to lure their victims by their beauty.
Lindis wrote: "Okay, now I have to backtrack. I am now reading the Official Twilight Guide. And my (and my friends's) theory on the sparkle thing was wrong. Although, I still think it was a good one! : )It s..."
Regarding your comment about overthinking things .... I often wondered that while I was younger and in school in English class. We would take apart a book sentence by sentence and discuss the author's choice of words or metaphor or what have you.... I think it's our teachers' fault that we do that now as adults! LOL!
I think that it an interesting quote in the Twilight Guide about why the vampires sparkle. Looking at it from a different angle I can see it makes a little more sense as it's not an actual super power but a byproduct of the change (into a vampire). I'd always assumed that as vampires are technically the living dead, their skin would have a translucent sort of quality and would look sort of dry and wrinkled when they go without drinking blood for any length of time as blood would restore the vitality of the skin. I've heard of cases where corpses have fossilized and crystalized which does sort of tie in with why vampires might sparkle.
I also agree that it's our teachers fault that we take a book apart sentence by sentence and discuss it but by doing so I have definitely come to appreciate some books more that I originally did.
celina wrote: "when i read the book and i got to the sparkle in the sun,i thought that was the gayest thing ever.....even the show vampire diaries was wayyyyy better than this...the vampires BURN not SPARKLE...."How do you know that? It sounds to me like you've met some in real life. There goes the "gay" comment again...I didn't know gay people sparkled.
I think that's one of the main criticisms of Meyer's books. IMO she did that to make them appeal to teenage girls, who she (somewhat erroneously) thinks all like sparkly things. They are already beautiful, irresistible, and have sweet smelling breath (lol), so I think it was supposed to make them seem more appealing, not ridiculous. I did not like it--overkill on the insistence that they are good. They already don't drink human blood--how much 'nicer' do they need to get?I also wrote a series of vampire novels but i was told that vampires are 'over' and couldnt get it published. I put it on amazon, so we'll see. My vampires are much more traditional. As a writer, I think you just try to be creative and come up with something somewhat original (or that's what I did). Sometimes people are going to hate it. Stephanie Meyer is probably laughing all the way to the bank and giving the finger to all of us sparkle-haters on her way. :)
@Lena...you are so right!! Stephanie Meyers is laughing all the way to the bank!! whats the name of your book on amazon...would love to read it! I like to show support to up and coming authors.
Maritza wrote: "celina wrote: "when i read the book and i got to the sparkle in the sun,i thought that was the gayest thing ever.....even the show vampire diaries was wayyyyy better than this...the vampires BURN ..."lol....i didnt say that they burned, i meant to say that the vampires in the show vampire diaries burn and it is way better than the one in twilight, that sparkle. and FYI thats my opinion on the book....DONT HATE..
Shanesha wrote: "she actually showed how more dangerous her vamps can be because they can go out in the sun only to lure their victims by their beauty. "No, they are not dangerous in that way, revealing their 'beauty'. They hide their sparkling skins because they might attract human's attention, and humans are not that kind towards anything different. And there are the shifters to watch them.
Gerd wrote: "Agreed.There's no need for her vampires to sparkle, or to use any other means of decoy, because there's nothing their prey could do, neither to hurt them nor to escape them......"
Yep. Twilight is romance. Stephenie did a very good job by adding supernatural world to it. She did not even care that her idea of having vampires that could live under the sun is a bit weird. If that was the idea, their number would be enormous since it is extremely difficult to kill them.
Chameleon wrote: "Now I know I may seem a little harsh, but vampires are supposed to be blood thirsty, ruthless, evil creatures. They disintegrate in the sun and are totally baddass. Right? Am I alone in thinking th..."i agree
Maritza wrote: "celina wrote: "when i read the book and i got to the sparkle in the sun,i thought that was the gayest thing ever.....even the show vampire diaries was wayyyyy better than this...the vampires BURN ..."Don't hate?? What am I dealing with here a 12 year old? Who is hating? Your the one hating on the book. Your definitely entitled to your opinion but SO AM I! (see I can use capital letters too) :)
celina wrote: "lol....i didnt say that they burned, i meant to say that the vampires in the show vampire diaries burn and it is way better than the one in twilight, that sparkle. and FYI thats my opinion on the book....DONT HATE.. "I think vamps in Vampire Diaries are weird too. Can not say that it is better than Twilight. About the fact, Twilight earns more money than Vampire Diaries...
Btw, As Vampire Diaries fans, could you tell me how did a ring could save a vamp from burning under the sun? It was said to be magic yes, but how did it work? Did the ring inject something to their blood and make it stronger?
I like Vampire Diaries better than Twilightno a witch puts a spell on it to keep them safe or something.
Rebecca wrote: "no a witch puts a spell on it to keep them safe or something."Nice of you. But I know that. I read Vampire Diaries too. But it did not answer my question though.
your question is asking more than is told though so I dont think anyone can really answer it
Not that the answer is really important. I simply want to state out that I think Vampire Diaries and Twilight stories about vampires are both weird and VD is not better than Twilight. Twilight even beat VD in number of income. I read both. I love Edward and Damon....:)
The traditional vampire lore doesn't state that they burst into flame or burn in sunlight. It simply says they cannot go out during the day. Tons of reasons are given, depending on the source. Believe me, I did a lot of research. However, I can promise you SM is the first to bring out sparkles.My book is called The Superiors (by Lena Hillbrand). It's an ebook on all the websites, amazon, b&n, etc. I'm working on the physical/paper version. (It's also on my profile on Goodreads, but the cover is slightly different for some reason).
Now that I'm done, I can't wait to start reading vampire books again! I tried to stay away from them while I wrote my series so I wouldn't be subconsciously influenced. I really want to read the Anne Rice series some people mentioned earlier.
Vampires in Bram Stoker's Dracula can not stand the sunlight and are weaken by all the religious stuff. Their skin burnt under the sun. As so vampires in Anne Rice's novels. I do not know whether you categorize the books into traditional ones or not. Vampire are nocturnal, they suppose to live after the sun sets. If they could stand the sun, they will not hide during daylight. I love, watch and read most of Vampire stories, even Blood, the last vampire, Japanese version. My best for now is Charlaine Harris' Sookie Stackhouse series. It has the love and dark side in Vampire world. As for Twilight, I do like the series, the romance, not the vampire world. I feel the sparkling part is weird. I think Melissa de la Cruz's Blue Bloods series is better than Twilight.
Nurlely wrote: "Btw, As Vampire Diaries fans, could you tell me how did a ring could save a vamp from burning under the sun? It was said to be magic yes, but how did it work? Did the ring inject something to their blood and make it stronger?"It probably holds a Gem of Amara. :D
Lena wrote: "The traditional vampire lore doesn't state that they burst into flame or burn in sunlight. It simply says they cannot go out during the day. Tons of reasons are given, depending on the source. Beli..."You can get the first three of the Anne Rice Vampire novels in one beautiful leather bound collectors edition from Barnes and Noble. It's about $20. The only drawback is that it's quite large, not one you would throw in your purse! : ) My daughter has it, it's beautiful!
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Perhaps they have met some vampires before, to have an awesome understanding of what a vampire is. I was not fond of having Stephenie 'glittering' vampires and consider the idea a bit weird but I kept reading the series because I love the romance and Edward and Jasper...:)