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message 1: by Alex (last edited Apr 21, 2011 03:24PM) (new)

Alex (princealexander) | 17 comments There are quite a few separate quotes which start with:
"God does not play dice ..."

One could find all numerous links by just typing string "God does not play dice" in ...

Beyond those, which are attributed to Einstein some instances are attributed to
Terry Pratchett, "Good Omens" and some to Gaiman

I presume that all these quotes are originated / derived from Einstein

What is Goodreads policy on this ?


message 2: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
"Derived from" is not the same as. Quotes that make reference to earlier famous quotes are fine. Call them an homage. ;)


message 3: by Alex (last edited Apr 22, 2011 07:00PM) (new)

Alex (princealexander) | 17 comments rivka wrote: ""Derived from" is not the same as. Quotes that make reference to earlier famous quotes are fine. Call them an homage. ;)"

Those, which I mentioned (did you check them ?) apparently and UNFORTUNATELY DO NOT make reference to earlier famous quotes and I find it inappropriate - could you take care of those, please ?

Thanks in advance


message 4: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Please provide links.

I did not mean an explicit reference, but an implied one. Both Gaiman and Pratchett would expect their readers to be familiar with the Einstein quote and would riff on it without making explicit reference.

You expect footnotes in spec-fic novels?


message 5: by Alex (new)

Alex (princealexander) | 17 comments >You expect footnotes in specific novels?
Yes, of course - to avoid be accused of plagiarism, the author, who is using original some one's else quote, should have either footnote or in-line reference.
>Please provide links.
Just type in "God does not play dice" into
"find quote"


message 6: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
This quote is from a book by Gaiman and Pratchett, and it is NOT plagiarized -- it is making a literary reference or an homage.


message 7: by Kim (new)

Kim | 607 comments It's interesting that Einstein never said that anyway. The original quote was I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice


message 8: by Alex (last edited Apr 24, 2011 08:58AM) (new)

Alex (princealexander) | 17 comments Dear Rivka,

>rivka comments
>This quote is from a book by Gaiman and Pratchett,
>and it is NOT plagiarized
>-- it is making a literary reference or an homage.

First of all - there are few entries either with the same quote and some of them mention Gaiman and others mention Pratchett - do you, Dear Rivka, care to consolidate them into one by:
either by having both names in the author field
or by putting one name, say Gaiman, because "G" is alphabetically first comparing to "P", in the author field and the other (Pratchett) into the tags field ?

Secondly - the name Einstein, in my opinion, should be also put into the tag field.

Also I would appreciate more detailed responses which would make your stand point more justified.

Regards,
Alex


message 9: by MissJessie (last edited Apr 24, 2011 09:01AM) (new)

MissJessie | 866 comments Question: Why, because person "A" (Einstein, if he did) says something cannot person "B" use the same phrase and then expand (Pratchett). Where is it written that only one person can utter a phrase, quotable or otherwise.

Personally, I like Pratchett's better anyway and would be disgusted to see it removed or his reference edited. EDIT: He said it, it's cited. It's referenced. It's a quote from him.

What in the name of all that's Holy matters if two people say essentially the same thing? For Heaven's sake people, find something else to worry about.


message 10: by MissJessie (new)

MissJessie | 866 comments BTW: Happy Easter. Have a good holiday.


message 11: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
I already did consolidate all the versions I could find under the first listed author of the book.

I have now added "einstein" as a tag for the quote.


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