Who Are Your Most Hated Fantasy Characters

[whimsicalmeerkat]

I can only imagine the hilarity that would ensue on such a trip. I imagine it would rival if not equal my experience at PAX East. Let's just say that by the last night of the trip there were 8 of us who slept in the hotel room.

[[deleted user]]

On a trip like that and you actually used the hotel room for sleeping? pffft.

[[deleted user]]

Lol. Only way that's a truly great story is if everyone was naked and at least two people were gymnasts or contortionists.

[Mike (the Paladin)]

Grant...I hesitate to bring this up, but there was a female lawn gnome here looking for a guy who wears a lamp shade and sings Slim Whitman...falsetto.

[[deleted user]]

*clears throat and says in a deep baritone*

I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.

*gently shoves replica lamp from "A Christmas Story" under the sofa*

[Jason]

Ah...no rum for me. LOL

[whimsicalmeerkat]

Ala wrote: "On a trip like that and you actually used the hotel room for sleeping? pffft."

My mental health is precarious. I was on medical leave at the time because of it. It worsens if I don't sleep. Plus, the fact that I was there with my boyfriend meant I actually got to sleep in a bed instead of on the floor or in the bathtub. That night it might be more correctly termed passing out.

[[deleted user]]

Ah, see, passing out in a hotel room with a boatload of other people who have also passed out is acceptable.

[Ken]

I have to agree with Danae (way up there). Susan really cracks my butt knuckle. She trudges through Narnia like it's the worst thing ever, and then by the end she refuses to believe it ever happened at all.

[MrsJoseph *grouchy*, *good karma*]

Ken wrote: "I have to agree with Danae (way up there). Susan really cracks my butt knuckle. She trudges through Narnia like it's the worst thing ever, and then by the end she refuses to believe it ever happe..."

Yeah, that's why she doesn't go to heaven. ;-)

[Mike (the Paladin)]

NOTE*.... There will be Narnia spoilers in the comments below if you haven't read the entire series or in particular The Last Battle.

Let me rush in here before the controversy starts. Lewis doesn't say Susan doesn't go to heaven. He even addressed it later when people asked about it. He simply leaves it that the question is still there for Susan. That it's in her ball park now so to speak.

In discussions about Narnia I used to be surprised at the emotion the so called "Susan question" brings out. Some get very upset at what they think might have happened to her, others have the opposite reaction. In the story Lewis left it that Susan had survived the crash and still had time. All we know is she seems to have denied the past events and become more involved in "worldly pursuits". Lewis himself intended she be seen as still having much hope and still having time "to decide".

[MrsJoseph *grouchy*, *good karma*]

Mike (the Paladin) wrote: "NOTE*.... There will be Narnia spoilers in the comments below if you haven't read the entire series or in particular The Last Battle.

Let me rush in here before the controversy starts. Lewis doesn..."

I have to admit that I sorta skipped over the rest of the Susan sections once they had to pretend with her that it never happened. Crazy girl. I figured she'd died with the rest and just went where non-belivers or those who never went to Narnia went.

But when you think about it, if she didn't die that's a pretty bad fate, too. Just about everyone she loves is now dead and she's been left alone.

[Mike (the Paladin)]

I love Lewis, so as a consequence I've probably read more of his nonfiction. He wrote in one place (I can't remember which...it may be Mere Christianity, but don't hold me to that LOL) that if there's a lock on door of hell, it's on the inside. I to hold to the belief (Biblical I think) that God sends no one away from Himself who doesn't make a "knowing" decision to reject God. Thus Susan hasn't finished her life in the book. We just don't get to "know" what she did...I think it's sort of left to us how she reacted. To that point she'd become (apparently) a very superficial person...afterward is sort of for us to decide I guess.

[whimsicalmeerkat]

That sounds like it's from Mere Christianity, from what little I remember of the book.

[Tracey]

The Dread Pirate Grant wrote: "I do elaborate costumes for Halloween :) I'll post some pics :)"

We're WAITing... *taps foot*

[MrsJoseph *grouchy*, *good karma*]

Mike (the Paladin) wrote: "I love Lewis, so as a consequence I've probably read more of his nonfiction. He wrote in one place (I can't remember which...it may be Mere Christianity, but don't hold me to that LOL) that if ther..."

That sorta ties into Dr. Faustus in a way, doesn't it?

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Okay I forgot to look :P I'll get on it though. Here's a pic of me dressed up as the devil though. A few years ago I was playing Satan in a traveling production of Heaven's Gates, Hell's Flames. A buddy of mine loved my makeup and asked me to pose for a picture. A little photoshop magic and we ended up with this

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[Tracey]

*snert*

*note to self: do not let Grant see "Yes We Can" bumper sticker*

[[deleted user]]

Lol...I never in a million years imagined he'd win the nomination *shakes head* No worries though. I respect the office and pretty much any living thing would have been better than the prior occupant.

[Tracey]

pretty much any living thing would have been better than the prior occupant.

Truer words were never typed.

[MrsJoseph *grouchy*, *good karma*]

I have this theory. People should not be able to run for public office. Instead, the government should keep updated resumes on everyone over the age of [let's say] 30, sorted by experience. Each time it comes for a new office election, we should pull a resume out of the hat. Just like jury duty!

*reaches in hat, pulls out Grant's resume* Congratulations, Grant! You just became the Senator from Arkansas! You run your own business and can't get away? No worries! You're qualified! You're not allowed to weasel out of this like jury duty...

[Tracey]

I like that idea ... it's a bit like the discussion in our house every election: Why would you purposely try for this job?

[MrsJoseph *grouchy*, *good karma*]

Tracey wrote: "I like that idea ... it's a bit like the discussion in our house every election: Why would you purposely try for this job?"

I know, right? I've watched Clinton, Bush, and now Obama go from looking healthy and robust to quickly looking like old men. Has anyone else notices how quickly that job ages people???! And the oodles of grey hair! I wouldn't do it, I don't do well with stress, lol. Or grey hair.

[Tracey]

Exactly! Before and after pictures of the president are like the before and after pic for "Just for Men" hair dye. You get the blame for everything that goes wrong (from at least half the country), nothing that goes right is down to you, and the world could blow up at any minute, on your watch. No. Really. Thank you.

In my book I have a line I haven't worked in yet, where someone comes from a monarchy to a democracy and says something like "Wait - your leader is elected? And they let you?"

Resumes. In a hat. Seriously.

[[deleted user]]

Lol :)

[whimsicalmeerkat]

It needs to be an actual hat too.

[Tracey]

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I'll leave the caption for someone else ...

[Mike (the Paladin)]

Hi MrsJ, been out all day. I'll try not to drag things too far off...ya right. Faust traded or sold his soul. The implications of that fly pretty much in the face of any Christian teaching (the middle ages not withstanding). To go further would sort of lead into a theological discussion...and that always leads to disagreements. I'll just say, God has made provision for all people. Lewis wrote "You don't have a soul, you are a soul. You have a body." Had Faust been able to make the deal he does inDr. Faustus the deal would have been invalid on it's face...God owns our souls. He will allow us to "pout" in outer darkness for eternity if we choose but He won't allow us to bring about our own oblivion. That's sort of the overall point. Humanity rebelled against God even after being told that it bring about death. God basically said "no". I'll kill death. You can rebel, you can refuse to enter what I have for you. But you can't destroy yourselves.

Okay if I've offended anyone's beliefs I apologize. I'm not saying you need to agree with me. Just explaining as I understand.

[MrsJoseph *grouchy*, *good karma*]

Mike (the Paladin) wrote: "Hi MrsJ, been out all day. I'll try not to drag things too far off...ya right. Faust traded or sold his soul. The implications of that fly pretty much in the face of any Christian teaching (the mid..."

That's an interesting take on Dr. Faustus. I'd always interpreted it as hubris (In his case thinking that he is so big and bad that he cannot be saved) being the one sin that has Faustus dammed.

To link that to Susan - it is my thought that Susan's hubris won't allow her to be a believer...thus the purgatory she seems to fall into.

[Mike (the Paladin)]

As I understand the Bible (note this way I don't drag anyone else into what I'm about to say :)... the only "unforgivable sin" is rejection of God. Even then God in his love won't allow destruction. It seems humans can always turn to God it's just that some won't. Of course that doesn't take into account lack of understanding etc. that why I said "Knowing" rejection.

Susan? All the story tells us seems to be that she's "side tracked" by "worldly concerns". It seems like (to me) simple vanity, something that gets a lot of us.

I'd now reference The Pilgrim's Progress and Christian's trip through Vanity Fair but that would only make things more involved :). So, back to where we were. Lewis was apparently leaving things open for Susan...as it is for all of us, and that may be why he left her story that way, open ended so to speak.

[whimsicalmeerkat]

I had to read The Pilgrim's Progress so many times for school. So many times. It kind of made me hate it. As for The Robe? Bah. I couldn't even finish it. That didn't work out so well on my final.

[Mike (the Paladin)]

I still have The Robe on my shelf as a "to be read". It's one of those that I own so I never get around to it. It's "there" so I keep reading other things.

[whimsicalmeerkat]

I hated the way it was written.

[Mike (the Paladin)]

Oh well, can't comment yet. I plan to get to it "at some point". :)