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HalosMarrow wrote: "I've said my piece."Love your post.
But personally, Qhuay will never be able to heal my wound. This could only happen if V finally gets who he wants.
How much clearer can it be if it comes from JR herself? In response to this question she posted on FB that V still has those feelings for Butch and that Jane understands and accepts this.I would never accept that the person I considered my mate was in love with someone else. Maybe she doesn't mind being second choice.
Sarah ♥ Vutch forever ♥ wrote: "HalosMarrow wrote: "I've said my piece."Love your post.
But personally, Qhuay will never be able to heal my wound. This could only happen if V finally gets who he wants."
Okay, I was trying to be nice. So it doesn't heal the wound...but at least its a good Neosporin type deal.
Gwynneth wrote: "How much clearer can it be if it comes from JR herself? In response to this question she posted on FB that V still has those feelings for Butch and that Jane understands and accepts this.I woul..."
THANK YOU!!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
HalosMarrow wrote: "Dhfan4life wrote: "Really? I never saw much change in him per se. I mean there was the freak outs he had. But still V, has been the same since the start. Albeit more in the "straight" camp lately d..."Dude, I have to say I totally respect your piece and that by far this is one of the best arguments I have read by far on here in defense of characters or even a book in general. Truly was my pleasure reading your response. And thank you for seeing a different perspective.
To Sarah, V wasn't my initial fave character when I started these books. So although I get he wasn't like how we first read about him. I still think on some level he might have wound up with a bit of a freak out at some point. As he is one for being so in control after having so very little given his past. And having to deal with issues bigger than himself too didn't help all that much either I don't believe. So Disney character or not, I think V had to face his own reality in one way or another. May not have been the way we saw depicted or liked it. But kind of had to come out some how.
I have no trouble dealing with M/M. I love the under current that runs between V and Butch. Although, here is my problem-they each made a commitment to their shellans. So, are they righteous or are they not? I know the Brothers are "effed up" in so many ways, but will they act upon something that will go against the nature of the relationship that the Brothers have with their shellan. Maybe V would because he is basically weak. But I cannot see Butch doing it. I just finished Lover Reborn and it was awesome. Give me more.
Glynda wrote: "I have no trouble dealing with M/M. I love the under current that runs between V and Butch. Although, here is my problem-they each made a commitment to their shellans. So, are they righteous or..."But they made a commitment to each OTHER first. Remember in LAw? When V fed Butch his blood - which according to BDB history, he's NEVER done before - the moment they had was one of the most intensely passionate and erotic that could ever have been written. As far as I've always been concerned, that was a mating ceremony of the highest order.
Dhfan4life wrote: "HalosMarrow wrote: "Dhfan4life wrote: "Really? I never saw much change in him per se. I mean there was the freak outs he had. But still V, has been the same since the start. Albeit more in the "str..."Thanks for the kind response. I tend to be a true V - and if you don't believe me you can ask MY hetero-life mate and my husband - so when I comment on things, I tend to raze the city.
See...we can agree to disagree...as long as you admit that I'm right lol. JK.
Glynda wrote: "I have no trouble dealing with M/M. I love the under current that runs between V and Butch. Although, here is my problem-they each made a commitment to their shellans. So, are they righteous or..."He may have thought that at one point they were gonna become more intimate but V got past that, I honestly believe he did. And while he still sees Butch as his, it goes beyond the physical. Before their shellans, those two formed a bond, shall we say, and V's blood in Butch aside, they understand each other in a way that is so very different. But I don't think they'd ever act on those undercurrents, atleast not sexually.
'Cuz I mean come on they are both mated to women who are strong in their own rights and having that little break down and almost-but-not-quite begging Butch to help him, worked out in the end. V and Jane have an even closer relationship now cuz of Butch and although Jane will forever feel greatful to the cop, she trusts 'em both that they would never get involved sexually. And that depth of trust is seen in Marissa too when she told Butch to go with V (when he showed up at their door) and not only that but she sent 'em both off with her love.
And also, I don't believe V's weak, he has travelled a looong way since we were introduced to him and his past. He wouldn't cheat on Jane (he got upset eveytime she asked that!). Just my opinion :)
And there's a discussion on Lover Reborn
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/8...
Lady*Savitar wrote: "Glynda wrote: "I have no trouble dealing with M/M. I love the under current that runs between V and Butch. Although, here is my problem-they each made a commitment to their shellans. So, are th..."I totally agree with you. They have a diferent relationship. And Jane and Marissa totally get this.
I don't think that what they have is more important than what they have with their shellans. The thing is, we have been reading about their friendship since the first book. They had more space.
Glynda wrote: "I have no trouble dealing with M/M. I love the under current that runs between V and Butch. Although, here is my problem-they each made a commitment to their shellans. So, are they righteous or..."I don't understand this too. What about the bond thing?!
Some one posted here on GR that she attended a signing with WARD and asked the will they or won't they ever question about Butch and V and the WARDen shot back "what makes you think they have not". According to the fan the crowd went wild over that response. While personally I want Butch to have just the amazing friendship with V. I am actually more open to they doing the deed that Quhay. Not feeling them as a couple at alllllllll.
I love the bond between V and Butch. They have a bond that is bigger than just the Brotherhood. I see it as them being sexually compatible, but they never moved forward, just allowing them to build a stronger friendship.I am ok with that. I really look forward to Qhuinn and Blay. It might just be one if my favorite anticipated book!
Christine wrote: "Some one posted here on GR that she attended a signing with WARD and asked the will they or won't they ever question about Butch and V and the WARDen shot back "what makes you think they have not"...."Yeah, me too. And to be honest, i think all this Quhay thing comes from V and Buch. I think maybe she got insecure making them a couple. But probably she always wanted a gay couple, and since she wasn't going to take this step with V and Butch she build up this other amazing relationship and took the spot out of them, so now people are not so frustrated.
Carla wrote: "Christine wrote: "Some one posted here on GR that she attended a signing with WARD and asked the will they or won't they ever question about Butch and V and the WARDen shot back "what makes you thi..."Yup. I totally agree with you about the whole V, Butch, and Qhuay thing Carla.
To be honest I loved the energy between Butch and V from the start. I naturally felt something going on between them from the first that did truly transcend labels for sure. But honestly I'm glad that she wrote Blay as being gay and to some extent I would have imagined that Qhuinn would have been bi or eventually come out gay himself, do to the whole sharing of women in the bathroom of clubs thing. I mean it may sound like great fantasy material but I don't think many that aren't into the gang bang mind set would readily share women with their buddies that way. But all the same it is good to have gays and such being represented in their world too. Regardless of if Ward is making up for other characters or not. Everyone should be represented some how some way.
Deva wrote: "I actually hated it. I never found Payne or Manny exciting. The only reason I finished the book was because of V/Butch and Quinn/Blay. And where was the action? There was none!"I'll have to agree with u that book was boring ... and I read it because I wanted to know the other stories but Payne and Manny .......not interested at all , I actually skipped pages to get to quinn and blay .
Unfortunately, this book didn't hold my attention as well as the previous books, or the following book for that matter. It is undoubtedly my least favorite book in the series. The only thing that made it even slightly interesting was Vishous; the guy was hilarious in this book. I still can't get his 'um, yeah' out of my head.
Funny you say that Christina because Vishious was part of the reason the book made me mad. Instead of him bonding with his Sister he was focused on himself...
I love JR Ward! I read everything she writes but this book didnt do it for me at all! It just wasnt what I expected form her! I loved torhs book though!
Acquinnette the Amazon wrote: "Funny you say that Christina because Vishious was part of the reason the book made me mad. Instead of him bonding with his Sister he was focused on himself..."I agree. I wasn't none too happy with that part of the story. I mean Payne not have been the utmost interesting of characters to begin with. But still she was more about seeking him out and doing stuff for him than he was in that book. Save for the few times he was only interested enough to try and play big brother with regard to her liking Manny and being around him. Beyond that nada.
Then to drag Butch into his emotional and poor Jane all she did was try to help and she got slammed too... I think Payne';s book could have been so much better with more focus on evolution of Payne's relationship with V and Manny but it was lost in translation....
Oh I know. I'm still all what the hell is up with him not wanting Jane, top surgeon and what not to work on him when he got all busted up. Or keeping stuff from her. I mean good grief. I guess maybe she didn't have a real clear idea how she wanted to handle V and Payne getting to know each other. So she drug up some needless random drama with V.
I know and I was a huge V fan until this book...
Actually Darius, Tohr, and Phury won my interest from the first. V slowly grew on me but still it's moments like this book that still keep him in 4th place for me.
I am a Z and JM fan for sure, because I have thing for strong men.
JM is my absolute favorite male character. Phury runs a close second. Z and Rhage are tied for third.
Phury was too much of a whinny character for me. My favs are Z, V, and Butch.
Rhage is hilarious...
I do agree . Ward Rocked my world like always with this one and V will always be my number 1. But it seems a little like Payne and Manny's Relationship in this book went hella fast, and it was mostly about V and Jane. The best question i have is . did V ever get Jane's name in his back.
Oh damn, damn damn, now I have to go back and look.... Man I hate it when things like this come up... Let me put out some feelers and see...
I don't think that it was ever specified. At least, I don't remember it being specified.BTW, was it mentioned in LU that V didn't get Jane's name in his back? I was kind of shocked in LUn when it was said that her name wasn't in his back.
Yall are killing me and I need some help with this one...lol
Wait I didn't recall them even going as far as them having the ceremony. I mean from what I recall they talked about finally doing it like the other couples did. But I don't think we ever got to see their ceremony. So I think by default it is implied that he got Jane's name on his back.
Okay there is no name on V's back and there was no real mating ceremony from what I can find but I could be wrong...
Nope. I actually thought it would have showed up in Lover Reborn some place. As the other couples did congratulate them on it and for V showing so much open affection too.
Oh Sorry . I know they never stated that he got it done. but he did say that he was going too.
It's weird isn't it?! That he didn't really mated to her. He was so excited to do it. I don't know what happens to V. Sometimes he's just weird.
I started to really like V, in his book, i mean, i liked him, but until Butch's book, i had a completelly diferent idea of him. I would never guess he was into BDSM or is bisexual for example.
And strange or not his relationship with Jane is one of my favorites.
But my favorite brother is Rhage and Z. V in next in line.
Haha, to be honest with ya Carla I sort of peeped his hole card on the bi thing when he was sleeping in a bed with Butch all the way back in Wrath's book. I mean that may not pointed to traditional sexual tension vibes or anything really. But I still have yet to hear of two hetero guys voluntarily sleeping in the same bed. And one isn't a parent and the other a young child. So had a feeling something was a brewing from there. The bdsm stuff wasn't too much of a surprise to me either. I mean I didn't get a hint from that early on. But given how much of their own thing each guy was into it was more than likely he had other side adventures going on. Just what surprised me though was how freaking other many vamps knew about it to be seeking him out. I mean the regular vamps barely know hardly a tea spoon of info on the BDBs save for legends in their world. But yet it seemed a good chunk of them had V's bdsm calling card or something, lol.
This was not the best of the lot but, I would say it was quite a stepping stone to the new stories coming along...
Dhfan4life wrote: "So Disney character or not, I think V had to face his own reality in one way or another. May not have been the way we saw depicted or liked it. But kind of had to come out some how."Sorry, but I still think the whole 'breakdown' storyline was beyond stupid. It made no sense at all and him suddenly being "healed" was even worse.
Glynda wrote: "Maybe V would because he is basically weak."
I don't think V is a weak character. I also wouldn't call him sleeping with Butch cheating. He's in love with his cop, ghost knows she's second choice and fine with it. In LUnl she said Butch wouldn't cheat but did NOT mention V not doing it. If you have sex with your true love and not a substitute that was forced in you, I don't think it's a problem.
HalosMarrow wrote: "As far as I've always been concerned, that was a mating ceremony of the highest order."
Word!
Lady*Savitar wrote: "He may have thought that at one point they were gonna become more intimate but V got past that, I honestly believe he did."
Uhm, he sees Butch as his, stares at the naked cop, wishes to be the couch under a naked Butch, gets hard for him etc. This was all after V's "HEA" storyline.
Carla wrote: "I don't think that what they have is more important than what they have with their shellans. The thing is, we have been reading about their friendship since the first book. They had more space."
I disagree. They had some scenes but with the women they had whole books. V and ghost even got two books and one novella so I guess all in all they had more page time with the women. But... You can't create chemistry, sexual tension and love artificially. The scenes V and Butch have are the most emotional, funny, loving, hot scenes there are. This is why they are very popular together and why they have a stronger bond than with the women.
Christine wrote: "I am actually more open to they doing the deed that Quhay. Not feeling them as a couple at alllllllll."
I'm sure Qhuay is a substitute for Vutch. Ward didn't have the balls (or wasn't allowed) to go there. She also said she saw the perfect female for Qhuinn and suddenly we got Qhuay. I don't feel them at all.
Carla wrote: "But probably she always wanted a gay couple, and since she wasn't going to take this step with V and Butch she build up this other amazing relationship and took the spot out of them, so now people are not so frustrated."
But you can't substitute one couple with another only because they happen to be m/m.
Dhfan4life wrote: "So she drug up some needless random drama with V."
The whole drama was WTF to me.
Gyspi Babii wrote: "The best question i have is . did V ever get Jane's name in his back."
Well, the "mating" is another of the inconsistencies that makes that "pairing" fake. V was all excited about it (which was not believable at all), asked on her boards Ward said they were "mated", it's said in the IG and it's even in the novella. Then suddenly, they aren't. Guess Ward is pissed that they are not popular and needed another book/attempt to sell that storyline. It made me laugh when on the release date she already had to post an explanation about it which only made it worse. LMAO
Carla wrote: "I don't know what happens to V. Sometimes he's just weird."
Don't blame V. Ward forced a substitute "HEA" on him, totally wrote him out of character and is inconsistent with her storylines.
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I'm sorry but I never get it when people use that argument. V is jealous because someone else slept with Butch, he sees him as his, he wants to have sex with him etc. I personally don't have all these feelings towards my friends so it's clear there is more between V and Butch.