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Mar 04, 2012 04:17PM
Yeah, only 20 something more days left for season 2, i can't wait.
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yea, gotta try and find a good stream then lol, since i dont have hbo :P
ok....I am still only half-way through this book....but I have "friend" on facebook (I went to high school with him; haven't seen or talked to him in maybe 25 years) who just posted this comment about the television show:"BLONDS ARE EVIL! ALL ARYANS ARE NAZIS! BWAHAHA! Watching "Game of Thrones" in which the evilest people are blond and goodest people (yes I use baby language to denote the mentality of the series) are "dark of hair". Barf. Are all you darkies really that jealous and petty about blondies?"
I have to admit that I don't pay that much attention to physical description of characters unless it is really relevant or highlighted--I know Daenerys is blond, but I don't really remember anything else.
And I don't really agree with this person's obsession with this topic (not the first time it has been mentioned).
But, I was just wondering what people think ... are the books or tv show "anti-blond?"
No. People project their own insane bullshit onto anything they can. I am so sick of the PC whiners crying about every little thing. Methinks they need to read Fahrenheit 451.
And I read elsewhere, from more crybaby PC whiners, that the dark skinned people were portrayed as savages. So...blondes are out, dark skinned is out, oh wait, lets have the whole cast as Oompa Loompas, then the whiners can shut up. Oh wait, add Tyrion to that and we'll have shortness whiners. Sigh.
Whatever. Who cares? GRRM wrote what he wrote. If people want to miss the depth of the story because they're focusing on the wrong things, then it's their loss.
My feeling on why GRRM wrote certain physical traits into family lines is because there's a lot of characters and it would be easier for the average person to keep them straight. Why he actually wrote it this way, I don't know, they'd have to ask him.
maybe cos even though there is no DNA testing in the series (shock!), one of only couple signs by which we can sometimes tell ppl apart are their inherited traits in looks - lannisters are generally blonde, baratheons are generally black of hair, targaryens are gold/silver haired with distinct eye pupil colour etc....ppl sometimes dont think when they write, just to throw their 2c into the discussion for the hell of it
and that the tv show has a lot of sex and violence, so what? the books have em, the medieval times in which it is rooted had those in plenty... but it aint sex and violence for the hell of it, just to have it as gruesome as it gets... each act has its place and sometimes even purpose... ppl have sex cos, well, for obvious reasons, there are brothels etc.... and violence... we got this neat medieval world in there, with torture, casualties of war, casualties of stupidity, some murders, assassionations, executions... but it aint the core of everything, it is used to illustrate something :)
I have never actually seen the series. I know it's available to purchase now, but I'm just not there yet.) I won't say that I have never noticed any "ethnic" or racial stereotyping in any films. Of course, it happens occasionally and unfortunately. However, in a story such as this, it really doesn't seem relevant. Especially if we are only talking about the difference between blond hair and dark hair. Stereotypes don't even really work there, as my grandmother is 100% Norwegian/Swedish and dark-haired. I had a 100% Italian friend in HS with blond hair. So, whatever. I just wondered if I was missing something....
I think GoT is also fighting the stereotypes, and if they appear in the books they appear mostly to be brought down... just look at tyrion, he is not a typical dwarf, is he?and if one reads closely, they can see that even hair colour isnt a 100% indication of how a character is - take lannisters, cersei, jaime and tyrion, I doubt they are the same? ;)
I'm not feeling loquacious tonight, so I'll keep it simple. So far season two looks to be even darker. I'm so hooked!
I think I liked season one more than season two. What are other people's feelings?
Oh boy, you don't really want to get me started. I have a lot of issues with the second season. Too many changes and omissions, and not for the better. I feel the writers have no grasp on the books or the characters. The parts they left intact were good but the changes sucked big time and will affect the storyline later. Which they'd know if they read the books. And if they did read the books and gave us this, then they should be fired.
Season one worked because they stayed close to the storyline, omissions occurred but they could be put in later. S1 worked because GRRM was involved. S2 he wasn't, except to write E9 which was the best episode of the season. It's upsetting to me to see a masterpiece being torn to shreds. I would like to see GRRM more involved next year with S3 and if that means a delay in the next book, then so be it. I don't expect it to be ready for half a decade anyway.
Thanks for the insight Jackie. I've not read the second book so can't compare what I saw to it --- the war seemed "too fast" the Red Witch and Stanis plot line seemed glossed over at best and in general I didn't enjoy the Karth (sp) sections with the "Mother of Dragons"
Others will argue with me, so my thoughts are not everyone's and I might be in the minority.I'd recommend reading all the books in any case, they're so much better.
Well with very few exceptions, the books are always better than the movies. For me the movie version of Princess Bride noses out the book, but only because of such superb casting.
I like the first book better than the second so the season followed the same trend for me. Liked it better than I feared though. I really liked some changes, Jackie. Mostly what they did with Robb. Hated some others. Dany.
Definitely, books are almost always better. The only time I can say I enjoyed the film/series better was with True Blood/Sookie Stackhouse series. I only read the first book and thought it was mediocre at best, not even worthy of continuing, yet I love the TV series.
Michael wrote: "I think I liked season one more than season two. What are other people's feelings?"Same here. I think my feelings are stemming from how they adapted book 2; the scope of book 2 was so much larger, I can see why the storytelling felt a bit...err, lumpy and moved far too quickly at times. But like Jackie mentioned, series 1 was definitely closer to the book than series 2 so that's probably why I also enjoyed it more. Despite of the changes (namely some of the characterisation changes O_o), I still enjoyed certain storylines (more than others; sorry Robb, Jon and Dany) and the introduction of new characters (Brienne! Jaqen! Stannis!) and some of the changes that they made (Charles Dance and Maisie Williams sharing the same scenes were brilliant to watch).
well, Martin was a major participant at making the TV series as it was, so if something was changed I guess he wanted it to be so... anyways, not everything that works in a book you're reading wherever you are reading works on the screenwill check season 2 sometime later, but I have a feeling I will end up getting season 2 on DVDs as well when it comes out :P
The show has been fantastic. My only issue with season 2 is that they left so many loose strings.Carl Alves
Carl wrote: "The show has been fantastic. My only issue with season 2 is that they left so many loose strings.Carl Alves"
because the book leaves many too, since a lot of stuff is revealed in later books
