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That was a disturbing scene. Maybe I'll sound like a prude, but if that actor was my kid, no way would he be doing that scene, fake breast or not.
Jason, Cersei would have to be alone, any sex scene would require a family member, lol
I wonder if they councelled him like they do some kids who are in horror movies?But I'm sure you know how some of these parents are. They'll put their kids through hell just to make a buck. It's like their kids are a product rather than a growing human being.
Indeed. So, Cersie in the bath talking to a servant...hmmm...lol
i thought the theon & lysa scenes were both great. really fitting for both characters.here's what i wrote in another group about renly and the episode:
without taking the book in consideration, i really enjoyed the last episode. lots of action! and some good character bits. i especially enjoyed the joust between the mountain & loras, and then the brief fight between the mountain & the hound. now that we actually saw the mountain, i thought he was very well-cast.
i don't recall jory getting killed this early. i could be wrong, but (view spoiler)....although it actually didn't feel out of place to me. i thought his death was surprising and enjoyed the shock of it. it certainly showed how cold-blooded jaime could be - didn't jaime & jory bond in just the prior episode?
i'm not sure it was in the book, but either way, i thought the scene between cersei and robert was an awesome bit of character-building. just a great, quiet scene overall.
much like i do not mind the 'extra' scenes we've been seeing that feature cersei and jaime and theon, i did not mind the extra scene between renly & loras. i like the basic idea behind these scenes - fleshing out characters who are only fleetingly glimpsed in the novel. but although the scene seemed true to loras' character (much as the extra scenes for cersei & jaime & theon seem true to their characters), i think i am still rather annoyed with the new portrayal of renly. going from a charismatic, kingly kind of guy (he's supposed to remind everyone of a younger robert baratheon!) to a sort of fearful wuss is still sort of annoying to me. and the body hair shaving just seemed.....i dunno, stereotypical? although i suppose straight folks engage in body hair shaving (i can't believe i'm actually talking about body hair shaving with a straight face), it was just an odd thing that i didn't really get. but despite that annoyance, overall i appreciated the scene's inclusion. the bj didn't bother me; it was over the top but not more so than past sex scenes. i liked "look at the blood renly. you'll be seeing more of it!" or whatever he said.
Mark, I too thought Jory (view spoiler)What I liked about this scene was Jaime's genuine love for Tyrion and his willingness to do whatever it takes to get him back. He's the only person who truly loves Tyrion and doesn't judge him by his hideous appearance.
The scene with Cersei and Robert was fantastic! I never had any sympathy for Cersei but this scene made me see her in a different light and she got my sympathy. I can surely see why she hates Robert so much.
And I agree totally about Renly, making him afraid to fight. Where's the Robert in that?
i really love overall how well-developed the series is making cersei & jaime. its awesome. i know from descriptions of books 3 & 4 that (view spoiler) but in books 1 & 2 we are still sort of seeing them from afar, through the eyes of characters they fuck over, and so at times they seem a bit two-dimensional to me. not so with the tv series! its like the creators realize how much depth the characters (eventually) have, and so they've applied that depth from the beginning. they are two of my favorite characters in the series. well, i have lots of favorites. i love the show!
It's funny to me but even though I know Cersei and Jaime are evil I'm actually feeling more sympathy for them than I did in the first book. Maybe it's because I have read up to the third book now. Maybe it's good writting or acting. But I like the Lannisters more than King Robert. And it really bothers me when the other characters call Jaime a Kingkiller. It didn't when I read the first book. But the King was evil and crazy. Robert and Ned were coming there to kill him themselves.
It wasn't that Jaime killed the king they all wanted dead anyway that makes everyone look down on Jaime, it's that he was a sworn Kingsguard and broke his oath, and he stabbed him in the back on top of it.I agree that Aerys was out of his mind and needed to be killed, it just shouldn't have been Jaime, he was supposed to lay his life down for the king, not kill him. Jaime made his choice and he has to live with the title, no matter how disparaging. I don't feel bad for him.
I thought that scene between Cersei and the king was brilliant, too. Very great acting and writing there. I can't remember either if that scene or a scene like it at least happens in the novel or not. I think that this week's episode was a big turning point for the first season. I also think, even though it does seem early, that Jory's death is at about the right spot. Things start picking up really quick from this point on in the novel, and I imagine that the writers had to save some extra episodes for the remaining five or so that's to come.
Jackie wrote: "It wasn't that Jaime killed the king they all wanted dead anyway that makes everyone look down on Jaime, it's that he was a sworn Kingsguard and broke his oath, and he stabbed him in the back on to..."I don't feel sorry for him but I think his greater sin regarding the previous king is that he didn't betray him sooner. I see the choice as doing what is right or doing what is honorable.
If it were done for those reasons, but it wasn't. He didn't give a damn about those the mad King murdered. Don't get me wrong, I like Jaime at times, but I don't see him as a victim of circumstance.
Yeah, niether do I. He a choice rather than a role to play, imo.
I guess for me, stabbing in the back would imply that Aerys didn't see it coming. He did, Jamie faced him full on, and Aerys ran and cried like a baby. So it's not like he snuck up and stabbed him from behind... That's all I'm saying.
How did I find myself in the position of defending Jaime?! Lol. Yes he's a selfish character. And yes I think he killed the previous king for self preservation. But I also think it's hypocritical of King Robert to be so against this one act. I don't feel this way about Ned by the way. It's not so much "a poor little Jaime" is the way he is because of his title as it is annoyance I have over Robert. Maybe later this week I can defend Thomas Covenant for an encore. =)
Traci wrote: But I also think it's hypocritical of King Robert to be so against this one act.It's hypocritical because Robert reaped the benefits of Jaime's act, if he handled it differently Jaime could have been known as a hero. Everyone follows the king. If Robert praised Jaime, no one would dare say otherwise.
Dawn, I had forgotten Aerys running away until you mentioned it, then it came back full imagery and all. My apologies for being an airhead.
No apology necessary! I'm re-reading ASoS right now, and that scene is fresh in my head.
Dawn, do you remember where it is in ASoS? I'd like to go over it again.
It was in a Jaime chapter, I think the 2nd POV from him.
OK, thank you, I'll check it out later.
I got the whole scene screwed up. WTH? Disregard everything I said, I'm confused or stupid or something.
I think it understandable, even if hypocritical, that Robert was against Jaime's killing Aerys. After reading that excerpt (thanks Dawn!) I guess Jaime had no choice but to kill Aerys the way he did. After all, he wanted the man to at least give a fight.But I think if I were Robert, I'd be weary of the man who betrayed the last man on the throne, too. And when it comes down to it, how trustworthy was Jaime to Robert in the end, anyway?
But that goes back on Robert, he didn't have to keep Jaime in the Kingsguard. New King, new rules, new laws. It was his choice to keep him there. Maybe he thought it better to keep an eye on him, keep him close. Had it been me, I don't think I would have kept him around.
I think I would have sent him somewhere else, too. And I wouldn't have married Cersie. Although, at the time they married things might have been different between them. I doubt it was between Cersei and Jaime, though. lol
I blame Cersei for twisting Jaime's head around. He's really not a bad person, without her influence he might have been a different man. I don't wish Cersei on any man, beautiful she may be but she's poison to the core.
Indeed. A phycopath I think is the correct term. LOLI like Jaime, too. For the most part. But I don't like Cersei. Not even when she started with her own POVs in the books.
She manipulative, scheming and has no conscience. Yep, that's a psychopath.
LOL. Indeed.I had a girlfriend like her once. It was a nightmare.
Ahh...Robert never did get over her. It might have been better for himself and others if he had.
While I'm no fan of Cersei, I do feel bad at the way Robert treated her.
Do we have a thread somewhere where we can talk about the whole series, and maybe move this discussion there? I'm afraid we're going way beyond the scope of the GoT show. I don't want to accidentally spoil anything for anyone coming here just to read thoughts on the show.
Post the link to the new thread so we can jump over, TY
I have to say that I love this show. It's fascinating. It's a show I can watch the episodes more than once and get more out of each time. I think the acting is wonderful, and the settings and art design are great. I haven't read the books, but this show reinforces my desire to read the books.So far my favorite character is Tyrion Lannister. I also really like Arya. That kid who plays Joffrey is so weird looking to me.
I watch each episode at least twice. Lady D, you will love the books, I'm sure of it. It's ironic how the fans love Tyrion and in his world everyone despises him simply because he's a dwarf...and a Lannister. I adore him; he's smart, well-read, has a wicked sense of humor. He's worth so much and no one in Westeros can see it.
So...last night's ep (#6). What did you all think about Viserys' crowning? Pretty horrifying, yet it was funny when he hit the ground with a 'thunk' sound.
i watch each one twice as well. i watched the debut 3 times and i can see that happening with last night's episode as well(view spoiler)
You said it about Tyrion, Jackie. He's the most intelligent, and the most interesting person. I find the Lannisters pretty lousy overall,except for him, and the Starks aren't too bright. They make it way too easy for the Lannisters to wreak havoc.
Lady D, The Starks put honor before all, often to their own detriment. Especially in a snakepit like King's Landing, Ned is stupid to think honor has a place.Mark,(view spoiler)
You are very right about the Starks. They don't seem to have any defense against the Lannister's form of doing business.
Not unless they fight fire with fire, but that'll never happen. Ned is just not made like that. I adore that man.
Regarding Ned, I respect his sense of honor intensely. I just feel he is way out of his depth.
When I saw that I scene I was surprised they kept that in there, too.