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Jun 14, 2011 01:58PM

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Oh, well the Bishop was boring, but I got past it...i'm only in the Cosette book though...
Ughie.....I get distracted easily, so Im reading another book while I read this, also to keep my goal up this year....ughie....Buts its JUST SOOOOOO GOOOD!!!!



I'm thinking of rereading it. Was wondering if anyone knew if a guide book existed. I used Cliffs Notes and if I remember correctly it summarized, but didn't explain.
Also anyone have opinions of which version to read. I have the Signet, but may try Penguin.
Hi. In Princess Diaries, Anne Hathaway plays a girl being groomed as the PRINCESS of "ZENOBIA."
Now, I thought that that was a made-up name. Well guess what. It isn't. I have customers here in Miami at Macy's. A charming old couple. Their last name is Zenobia. Last time I was working with them I chuckled that Disney had made a movie about a princess with their last name. They smiled, and then told me their family story...they are Italian (of course). Well, King Victor Emmanuel had a daughter, who, around 1919 or so, became pregnant out-of-wedlock, something which, in those times, and in royal families, simply was "NOT DONE." The father was also royalty but of another line. My customer is the child. He was conceived in Italy and born in the USA and is Count Zenobia. To this day, when they go to Italy on vacation, Italians of all ages, recognize him and his wife immediately, "click their heels" together, greet him with, "Good Day, Count Zenobia!!", and give him and his wife free hotel rooms and free meals, free taxi rides, you name it. Now, he grew up here, worked for Macy's at Herald Square/NYC for 25 years or so, as the manager of packing (2 floors of subordinate workers), and retired just like any regular guy (with a nice hard-worked-for stash for retirement), only he IS royalty. He doesn't think so highly of himself, but every time he and his wife visit Italy, like I said, they literally get "the royal treatment." Their story charmed my socks off, and even though they are regular shoppers at my store, I took them around introducing them to my co-workers and managers as Count Zenobia. Everyone was stunned, and charmed, as they told their story to our associates at Macy's. This dear couple, whom we all already know and love, now gets an extra dose of "royal treatment" from everybody at Macy's too. And he and the wife are such SWEET and humble people, too. Just thought I would share that, for mentioning THE PRINCESS DIARIES to them, is how I learned their adorable story.
Now, I thought that that was a made-up name. Well guess what. It isn't. I have customers here in Miami at Macy's. A charming old couple. Their last name is Zenobia. Last time I was working with them I chuckled that Disney had made a movie about a princess with their last name. They smiled, and then told me their family story...they are Italian (of course). Well, King Victor Emmanuel had a daughter, who, around 1919 or so, became pregnant out-of-wedlock, something which, in those times, and in royal families, simply was "NOT DONE." The father was also royalty but of another line. My customer is the child. He was conceived in Italy and born in the USA and is Count Zenobia. To this day, when they go to Italy on vacation, Italians of all ages, recognize him and his wife immediately, "click their heels" together, greet him with, "Good Day, Count Zenobia!!", and give him and his wife free hotel rooms and free meals, free taxi rides, you name it. Now, he grew up here, worked for Macy's at Herald Square/NYC for 25 years or so, as the manager of packing (2 floors of subordinate workers), and retired just like any regular guy (with a nice hard-worked-for stash for retirement), only he IS royalty. He doesn't think so highly of himself, but every time he and his wife visit Italy, like I said, they literally get "the royal treatment." Their story charmed my socks off, and even though they are regular shoppers at my store, I took them around introducing them to my co-workers and managers as Count Zenobia. Everyone was stunned, and charmed, as they told their story to our associates at Macy's. This dear couple, whom we all already know and love, now gets an extra dose of "royal treatment" from everybody at Macy's too. And he and the wife are such SWEET and humble people, too. Just thought I would share that, for mentioning THE PRINCESS DIARIES to them, is how I learned their adorable story.
I love Les Miserables, but I confess I cannot finish the book easily. Why? Because of Victor Hugo. This man writes like both a ROMANTIC (which he was) and a MYSTIC (which I strongly suspect he was). He was deeply spiritual and reverent despite his many and self-admitted "sins," and he writes so poetically that, after only a few pages of his writing, I am hyperventilating (yes, literally), overwhelmed by the lyrical poetry, beauty, and majesty of the things he says. It quite literally overwhelms me emotionally. It is BEAUTIFUL writing, more beautiful that anything I have ever read. I am a 52 year old man, a trained actor (though I do not work professionally in "The Biz," due to financial issues, but I have read script after script, book after book, in my lifetime, and NEVER has any author affected me as does VICTOR HUGO. And especially his glorious novel Les Miserables. After just a few pages, I am always overwhelmed, sometimes find myself heaving or outright sobbing, and in any case, I ALWAYS have to put his writing down and go do something ELSE for a little while. I **love** the way he writes, but it is SO beautiful that it truly is powerful and, for me (and others I am told) a bit too much to handle in too big of a dose at a time. I *adore* Les Miserables the book. But, in small doses, small servings, like an exquisitely fine liqeur.

As to Les Miserables, I must admit that I have never heard of that reaction to the novel before. I've heard people say that the love the story, but can't read through the book. I've heard them say that he adds too many parts that aren't necessary (I would agree in the case of A: Waterloo and B: The Sewers.) But never have I heard anyone say that the writing overwhelms them so. I'm a little shocked, though I find your description of his writing pleasing. He truly was a gifted author, though perhaps a tad over the top in some cases, but truly remarkable nonetheless.
I admit, I have never been so overcome by Les Miserables. Oh, I've cried while reading it all right (though are so many instances when it is just too painful to bear, but like you said, beautiful."
Perhaps a rereading is in order.

Hi LAUREN (and hi, Way!!).
Lauren, YES, **please** see the movie. A warning is in order: if you are used to the voices of Colm Wilkinson or Alfie Boe as VALJEAN, then you are going to be shocked. Hugh Jackman ((who has a beautiful voice, so I don't understand this about his Les Miserables the film singing))-- but Hugh Jackman's singing voice is grating, especially at first. I was so startled by it that 10 minutes into the film, I was about to walk out. I AM **SO GLAD** THAT I DID NOT WALK OUT. Because the more I watched, despite the grating and a bit nasal quality of Jackman's voice, his performance as, and characterization of, Jean Valjean, is, to be frank, utterly MAGICAL. Even his voice started to grow on me, and in the end I absolutely CHERISH Jackman's Jean Valjean. And his voice is actually pretty on some of the songs. SUDDENLY, the new song for the film that Valjean sings right after he has adopted Cosette and she is sleeping with her head on his knee as they ride toward home in the horse-drawn carriage, this song is so tender and sweet it brings tears pouring down my face. Jackman, as Valjean, sings the song, and his rendition is nothing less than precious. The film is filled with wonderful performances, and stunning choreography and monumental cinematography. It is grand and gracious and loving in every sense of the word. I don't like that a couple of stanzas to some of my favorite songs/scenes, were cut out. (( "You would live a hundred years, if I could show you how" is gone from A LITTLE FALL OF RAIN. The first two verses of DRINK WITH ME, are gone. The recovering Marius's line: "Every day, I wonder everyday, who was it brought me here from the barricade??" is gone)). These are sad but minor flaws. The film is beautiful beyond describing. EDDIE REDMAYNE, Marius in the film, is the finest young actor that I have EVER seen in my ENTIRE LIFE. He is as sweet as a child, as goofy and charmingly melodramatic (in his "love at first sight" scenes) as a puppy-love- stricken teen, as passionate as a committed philosopher and as gentle, naive, trusting and INNOCENT as a little baby. I adore him and his performance like no other. When he sings EMPTY CHAIRS AT EMPTY TABLES, his stunning rendition is SO powerful that I had to be peeled up off of the floor. If this wonderful actor/singer does NOT win the OSCAR for Best Supporting Male Actor in a Musical, then there is no justice. And the finale, as always, is marvellous. All these souls who have died in the course of the show, and are now in heaven with God, reappear, all the pain is gone from their faces, they forgive everyone including those they fought at the barricades, everyone is joyous and smiling from ear to ear, storming the streets of old Paris jubilantly as they wave those gorgeous blue, red, and white flags and singing happily at the tops of their lungs. It is joyous and wonderful. And, as in every performance of LES MIS' (and we all know it), the last TWO WORDS of the Finale, their final outcry, will make your heart BURST.
This movie is glorious and wonderful.
Yes, you really must see it.
I already have. As of this writing (January 3, 2013),
I've seen it FOUR TIMES. And plan to see it again.
Lauren, YES, **please** see the movie. A warning is in order: if you are used to the voices of Colm Wilkinson or Alfie Boe as VALJEAN, then you are going to be shocked. Hugh Jackman ((who has a beautiful voice, so I don't understand this about his Les Miserables the film singing))-- but Hugh Jackman's singing voice is grating, especially at first. I was so startled by it that 10 minutes into the film, I was about to walk out. I AM **SO GLAD** THAT I DID NOT WALK OUT. Because the more I watched, despite the grating and a bit nasal quality of Jackman's voice, his performance as, and characterization of, Jean Valjean, is, to be frank, utterly MAGICAL. Even his voice started to grow on me, and in the end I absolutely CHERISH Jackman's Jean Valjean. And his voice is actually pretty on some of the songs. SUDDENLY, the new song for the film that Valjean sings right after he has adopted Cosette and she is sleeping with her head on his knee as they ride toward home in the horse-drawn carriage, this song is so tender and sweet it brings tears pouring down my face. Jackman, as Valjean, sings the song, and his rendition is nothing less than precious. The film is filled with wonderful performances, and stunning choreography and monumental cinematography. It is grand and gracious and loving in every sense of the word. I don't like that a couple of stanzas to some of my favorite songs/scenes, were cut out. (( "You would live a hundred years, if I could show you how" is gone from A LITTLE FALL OF RAIN. The first two verses of DRINK WITH ME, are gone. The recovering Marius's line: "Every day, I wonder everyday, who was it brought me here from the barricade??" is gone)). These are sad but minor flaws. The film is beautiful beyond describing. EDDIE REDMAYNE, Marius in the film, is the finest young actor that I have EVER seen in my ENTIRE LIFE. He is as sweet as a child, as goofy and charmingly melodramatic (in his "love at first sight" scenes) as a puppy-love- stricken teen, as passionate as a committed philosopher and as gentle, naive, trusting and INNOCENT as a little baby. I adore him and his performance like no other. When he sings EMPTY CHAIRS AT EMPTY TABLES, his stunning rendition is SO powerful that I had to be peeled up off of the floor. If this wonderful actor/singer does NOT win the OSCAR for Best Supporting Male Actor in a Musical, then there is no justice. And the finale, as always, is marvellous. All these souls who have died in the course of the show, and are now in heaven with God, reappear, all the pain is gone from their faces, they forgive everyone including those they fought at the barricades, everyone is joyous and smiling from ear to ear, storming the streets of old Paris jubilantly as they wave those gorgeous blue, red, and white flags and singing happily at the tops of their lungs. It is joyous and wonderful. And, as in every performance of LES MIS' (and we all know it), the last TWO WORDS of the Finale, their final outcry, will make your heart BURST.
This movie is glorious and wonderful.
Yes, you really must see it.
I already have. As of this writing (January 3, 2013),
I've seen it FOUR TIMES. And plan to see it again.
Kind of, sort of, almost part of it....it's so long!
From what I've read of it, she is!
Erica wrote: "well there is a line that she says in the book that every-time i read it, it makes me so mad:
" My child is no longer cold, i have clothed her with my hair.""
*crying....*
" My child is no longer cold, i have clothed her with my hair.""
*crying....*

Savouring bits of it, as Donald put it so well.
And I started re-reading it again before the movie came out - and I'm still at it coz I'm reading other books too and turn to Les Miz when I'm in the mood.
Definitely recommend it to anyone who hasn't read it. It explains a lot that the musical/movie cannot capture in 2.5 to 3 hours.


I'm ashamed to say that I read it after I saw the movie, but in a way, that was even better, because sometimes I feel like if I had read it before, I wouldn't have understood anything (it's a bit hard to understand). Lots of good historical background.
I never really thought I could cry at the end of a book, but, welll..... this really did the job for me. I have to say, I love how the last chapter is just Jean Valjean dying, and that's all you can really focus your mind on for the rest of the day (if that made any sense). The essence of Les Mis was still on me for a LONG time. I'm gonna miss reading that book. I have to read it again.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT!




