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message 151: by Michele (new)

Michele | 31 comments sounds like the fae realm to me!


message 152: by Brianne (new)

Brianne (iliketoreadbooks) | 91 comments isn't that what is referring to? I thought so. Because the moon sometimes stays in the house, sometimes it doesn't.


message 153: by Sanjiv (new)

Sanjiv | 429 comments I agree, but the big question for me now has to do with how the folding house was created, and how Jax came to have such command over it. I mean I know the story version, but what's the greater truth the story was based on?


message 154: by Brianne (new)

Brianne (iliketoreadbooks) | 91 comments Oh, like who is he? Do you think it's important?


message 155: by Meenam (new)

Meenam | 12 comments Sanjiv wrote: "I agree, but the big question for me now has to do with how the folding house was created, and how Jax came to have such command over it. I mean I know the story version, but what's the greater tr..."

Well, if you assume that Jax and Iax are the same person, (jax stole the moon in Hespe's story, bast says later that Iax consulted with the Cthaeh before he stole the moon) and we know that the great namers in the beginning included Iax it makes sense how he had power over the Fae.
My question is, who and why? Why would he want the moon? Besides outright greed, what benefit was there to stealing the moon? Also, who is the moon in Hespe's story. I find it hard to believe that the moon is really a person who Iax/Jax could call down and have a nice little chat with.
On a side note, one thing I want to throw out about Lyra. What if Lyra didn't die? What if she was cheating on Lanre with Selitos and that's why he burned Myr Tariniel? Maybe that is the harsh truth he learned from the Cthaeh. Who knows? But it's something interesting to contemplate, no?


message 156: by Sanjiv (last edited Oct 14, 2011 10:54AM) (new)

Sanjiv | 429 comments (@ Brianne, didn't see Meenam's post)
By 'he,' you mean Jax? Is it important who Jax is? I don't know, either he IS Haliax, or he's a parallel for Haliax(the way Elodin is for Taborlin). So aspects of his story should inform things that have already happened in the story, or things that will happen in the story (such is the way I speculate Rothfuss is crafting his books). I say there's a similarity between all the mythic figures who seem willing to ignore the consequences of pursuing what's dear to them, and each informs the others' stories...I imagine Kvothe shares this similarity with Lanre as well.

TOTALLY NEW IDEA (though it's been a while, so forgive me for being too excited): In NOTW, young, freezing Kvothe is helped out by a cosplaying couple dressed as Encanis and his consort (I assume, it's been months since I touched the books). Could this be an aspect of the Lanre's story, and something that turned him down the path to becoming Haliax? And part of why Denna views the Chandrians' tale as sympathetic?

But all that aside, personally I'm interested in the pseudoscience of how the fae realm exists, and how it's linked to the magical rules of the KingKiller world. So I care about how the Fae realm was created, and who it was created by. I have no idea whether this sill impact other aspects of the story or not.

@Meenam:(On the moon)
Felurian seems to talk about the moon with a certain fondness, and the way Rothfuss talks about Auri makes it seem that the moon is, well, like Auri. Wonderful and skittish--Hard to obtain, if that's even the right word. And since wise men fear a moonless sky (so we're told), and since the Waystone gates seem to be active during a full moon, well, Rothfuss seems to imbue the moon with a certain charming personality. The moon's definitely associated with a nurturing person.

And perhaps this nurturing person makes certain things possible? I think of Denna's seiltos flower (selica? seli-sometihng?), which was more alive in the presence of the moon. Perhaps the moon did something similar for Lyra as well? God I have no idea. Perhaps there's a realm where the moon doesn't shine, and Haliax wants to take the moon there to search for Lyra. Perhaps he succeeds in taking this moon to the new realm, and that's what opens up the world to the Scrael's world...To speculate, I imagine Kvothe's the one who opens the door by accessing the Lockless box, which frees to moon to wander elsewhere.


message 157: by Meenam (new)

Meenam | 12 comments I am fairly certain that Jax=Iax and that Haliax is someone else. Else Bast wouldn't have spoke of their meeting the Cthaeh seperately. Whether or not the two are parallels of the other I can't say.


message 158: by Meenam (new)

Meenam | 12 comments Another thought just struck me while reading somone else's post. This person (can't remember who) thought perhaps that the goal of the Chandrian is to release Iax from behind the doors of stone (which others have speculated are located somewhere on the Lockless lands which I believe the Eld is part of). What if Cinder camping out in the forest was actually hunting for the doors of stone and the stealing of tax money was simply a means to feed his army of searchers, not Cinder trying to get at the Maer? Just a thought. It would also somewhat explain why they were making such a detailed map of the area.


message 159: by Sanjiv (last edited Oct 14, 2011 01:48PM) (new)

Sanjiv | 429 comments @ 157: Bast only knows folk tales, and Kvothe has repeatedly emphasized how exploits can be stolen or transferred. Though I don't disagree with you, Bast isn't a reliable source.

@ 158: Makes sense to me. Soldiers need to have some motivation to do the Chandrian's bidding, and simple banditry would be the perfect cover for Cinder's activities. Though I simply thought Cinder was acting as an agent of the Aturan King, in exchange for some favor. And having two rivals (Kv and Ci) act on the behalf of two different kings? Seemed poetic.

But I can't imagine that Cinder or Haliax wouldn't know where the doors were located by this point. If Cinder was pursuing a goal of his own, wouldn't it be more likely he was setting the ground work for the scrael invasion?


message 160: by Enginesummer (new)

Enginesummer | 27 comments As several people pointed out, there seem to be parallels between Kvothe's story and the other older stories (Taborlin the Great, for instance). I just hope Kvothe's story doesn't end up like Lanre and Lyra. Or Savien and Aloine. Hey wait a minute, couldn't Savien and Aloine's "love lost and found and lost again" (NOTW p.404) equally be applied to Lanre and Lyra? He dies, she saves him, and then she dies? Aw, poor Kvothe. Don't be like any of these idiots!

On another note: If Jax is Iax (which seems altogether likely), and Iax really was responsible for sealing away part of the moon's name (as Bast indicates in TWMF p. 688) and the moon's name is sealed in the Lackless box, and the box is the heart of their family, and if Kvothe's mother is a Lackless (as also seems quite likely)... is Kvothe related to Iax?

Also, something curious: At the University, everyone treats Kvothe's interest in the Chandrian as childish and absurd. So why was Abenthy so cautious? He seemed to be trying pretty hard to convince Kvothe's parents to take more care. If he was like most other people who had passed through the University, why wasn't he equally blase about it? I smell an Amyr. Also, Lorren neatly turned Kvothe off of seeking information on the Amyr and the Chandrian even before the library ban. It may have been in the guise of concern for appearances, but what would Lorren care, honestly?

Just throwing it out there.


message 161: by Sanjiv (new)

Sanjiv | 429 comments I feel Lorren et al might be sympathetic towards the Amyr and act as they would, but I don't think they're part of a formal society. I think the line is drawn between the informed and ignorant, and the informed are comfortable with letting the ignorant remain so.

I remember Kvothe speculating how the Amyr disbanded on purpose, to avoid persecution.


message 162: by Row (new)

Row Bin | 2 comments what about this one, another view why I think Ash=Cinder:

We know that Kvote has a knack for seeing/understanding names, proof is the Felurian part in book 2. Now in book 1 there is a little part where Kvote tries to come up with a name for Denna's patron.
p511 'Just tell me when I hit one you like... Frederick the Flippant. Frank. Feran. Forue. Fordale...'

What happens if you take last three names and of those names you pick of the first name the first 2 letters, of the second the 2nd pair of letters and of the third name the last two letters....?

Is it coincidence that it makes Ferule? Yes, it is a bit far fetched, but if you read the series closely you know Patrick is a master and someone who knows how important details are...
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message 163: by Amber, Master Sympathist (new)

Amber (ivorydoom) | 1471 comments Mod
It's definitely one of the more popular theories.

Could it be coincidence though? Most certainly.
I thought Denna's patron was Cinder at first for sure, but now I'm kinda leaning toward Maer Alveron.

I mostly switched off the Cinder theory, because, how would he hide his signs when in public?

The only Patron Theory I cannot abide is Cinder/Ash/Bredon. The holy trinity of characters. *eyeroll*

That would be the singularly lamest thing I've ever read. Especially considering Kvothe recognizes Cinder during the bandit battle from a distance admist an entire crowd of men.


message 164: by Row (new)

Row Bin | 2 comments We know that the Cthaeh said that Cinder was the leader of the bandits and Kvothe didn't recognizes him. So they probably have a way to disguise themselves.


Reads with Scotch  | 178 comments Kvothe, didn't recognize him outright- but kvothe implied there was a familiarity to him. then shrugged it off saying he was cold wet and tired.

There was another character that gave Kvothe the willies… a priest before he set off to the University. I don’t recall the scene perfectly but it does lend the possibility that many of dubious intent sulk about the world at large for purposes unknown.


message 166: by Brandon (new)

Brandon Nolan | 18 comments Robot wrote: "I was thinking about a one eyed guy and seeing if there have been any appearances by Selios. Although he's probably not a long living guy like Lanre."

The only one-eyed person I can remember is Cammar, and I doubt it's him.


message 167: by thistlepong, Master Namer (new)

thistlepong | 340 comments Mod
Brandon wrote: "The only one-eyed person I can remember is Cammar, and I doubt it's him."

One-Eyed folks:
Selitos
Cammar
Dagon

Why doubt Selitos is still around? Seems like Haliax and the Chandrian are. Tehlu & Pals. The Cthaeh. Felurian. Plenty of folks, really. One of the more interesting questions is what happened to or where is Selitos in all this.


message 168: by Brandon (last edited Apr 16, 2013 04:35PM) (new)

Brandon Nolan | 18 comments thistlepong wrote:
Why doubt Selitos is still around? Seems like Haliax and the Chandr..."

I meant that I doubt Cammar is Selitos. I have little doubt at all that Selitos is still around, I couldn't only think of Cammar at the time, and doubted that was Selitos.


message 169: by Brandon (new)

Brandon Nolan | 18 comments Also, for what it's worth...

The constellation Lyra is known as "Arthur's harp" or "King David's Harp" in Wales mythology. Not sure if that means anything, but I found it interesting, to say the least.


message 170: by Amber, Master Sympathist (new)

Amber (ivorydoom) | 1471 comments Mod
Yah I'm always wondering what is up with Selitos!

Iax even seems to still be around, just locked up somewhere.


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