Twilight
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What's so bad about being a Twilight Fanatic?
Poem by Lord Byron on the back of my Vampire wine purchased in Forks. It seems to be called The Giaour -
But first, on earth as vampire sent,
Thy corpse shall from its tomb be rent:
Then ghastly haunt thy native place,
And suck the blood of all thy race;
There from thy daughter, sister, wife,
At midnight drain the stream of life;
yet loathe the banquet which perforce
Must feed thy living living corpse:
Thy victims are they yet expire
Shall know the demon for their sire,
As cursing thee, thous cursing them,
Thy flowers are withered on the stem.
Lord Byron 1813
But first, on earth as vampire sent,
Thy corpse shall from its tomb be rent:
Then ghastly haunt thy native place,
And suck the blood of all thy race;
There from thy daughter, sister, wife,
At midnight drain the stream of life;
yet loathe the banquet which perforce
Must feed thy living living corpse:
Thy victims are they yet expire
Shall know the demon for their sire,
As cursing thee, thous cursing them,
Thy flowers are withered on the stem.
Lord Byron 1813
@ Taylor and Lady AliceTaylor: Tattoos aren't that bad. I have one and it wasn't a big deal. If you don't feel comfortable getting one, that's fine, too, but the pain mostly relates to the place that you get it.
Lady Alice: Congratulations about your dermatologist? And I know the risks of tattoos...they are slim-to-none if you go to a respectable parlor. If you disagree with the idea of tattoos, that's fine, but suggesting that the previous posters above (Amanda, Lindis, and Farrah) are making/have made a mistake, is none of your business. This is a discussion about Twilight not about tattoo ethics. I appreciate that you have an opinion, but you don't need to push it upon others.
lol he is cute but i don't want any fights so i say team emmett all the way!!!!
thanks but i want a tattoo when i'm at least 18 cuase if i come home to my ,mom with a tattoo she'll go all kung foohy on me then i'd really feel the pain
Lady Alice wrote: "Poem by Lord Byron on the back of my Vampire wine purchased in Forks. It seems to be called The Giaour -But first, on earth as vampire sent,
Thy corpse shall from its tomb be rent:
Then ghastly ..."
I love that...Thank u so much for posting! :)
My coworker got "Look after my heart, Ive left it with you" across her rib cage amazingness!! @roxana
i just got a doggy!! yay
i'm team edward all the way but only becouse i like vampires not becouse of robert pattinson
Lindis wrote: "Also, I get tired of hearing, "The movie ruined the book." Did you know? That they didn't expect for Twilight to be a success? They didn't pland on going on with the other books. They had a very lo..."i agree... :DDD
i m really revealed now!!i joined goodreads this month..and i m a big fan of The twilight saga.but yesterday i happened to see that some people are included twilight saga in a list for the worst books ever!and this news startled me!whats wrong with that series???i couldn't believe my eyes!i was so upset about those people's reviews about twilight saga also.and today i saw this chat group and i really liked this.this is what i want to say to those people who hates Twilight saga..
Athira wrote: "i m really revealed now!!i joined goodreads this month..and i m a big fan of The twilight saga.but yesterday i happened to see that some people are included twilight saga in a list for the worst bo..."Yeah, I learned a big lesson when I started goodreads. ~ There are just as many Twilight Haters out there as there are Twilight Lovers. (I am a Lover, not a Hater) And I made one mistake in a thread and I was made to feel stupid by a few haters. Some of them seem to be very vocal and mean. They're intitled to their opinion, but some of them like to belittle us just because we like it. I made a statement one time and this gal came back and totally berbally bashed me, accused me of being things that I was completely not, she was very mean. If you get someone like that, sure put them in their place. I did. She was completely wrong about me and I let her know it. I haven't heard from her since. Other than that, "Kill them with kindness" I've found that works for me. I'm also a fan of Harry Potter, and that works in those feeds too! : ) Don't sink to thier level, and have a thick skin, and you'll be fine. Because they do have a right to post what they want to, just like we do.
Do you mind if I ask how old you are? You can answer me in a private message if you want, or not reply, that's cool. I'm 40, I'm just wondering so I can point you towards some other feeds that don't attract the negativity. : )
Lady Alice wrote: "If its any comfort a kind person here (very brilliant) told me that in Shakespeare's day the shallow snobs bashed him too!! Millions of TRUE fans can't be wrong."
Oooooo Snap! One point for us! Take that haters!!!!
he he he he : )
NO she's not comparing Meyer to Shakespeare! Just that, just like Meyer (and many authors) Shakespeare had "Haters" too. The statement was as simple as that. You read too much into it. Like many haters do. Sorry if I'm being mean too.And I'm sorry but, since you don't like Twilight, You don't get it. Twilight does NOT promote men having all the power. I don't see how people see that!?!?! The male vampires don't rule over the females. Edward let Bella do anything that she wanted. He gave her everything she wanted. I don't call that control. Carlisle doesn't tell Esme what to do. They do want normal couples do and do things together. Carlisle dosen't "rule" over the others, yes he's considered the leader of the coven just because he is the oldest and he "created" some of the others. He dosen't control them. In fact, Emmett and Rosalie often spend long periods of time away from the coven on their own.
In the Volturi, it does seem that the males rule over the females. But that's only because Aro craves power, craves rule, he just happens to be the leader of the coven. It could have easily have been a female. In Meyers world of Vampires, a very powerful Mexican coven was led by a female, Maria, during the vampire wars of the 1800's.
No one is saying that Meyer will be someday be seen as Shakespear. At least Lady Alice and I are not. Their works aren't even the same genre. Gimmie a break.
Now I'm getting angry so I'm gonna get off goodreads a while and go read a nother book that other people probably hate too. Check ya later!
Lindis wrote: "I am starting this chat because I am wondering why people are so upset about the "Twilight Rage" I happen to be a "Twilighter" I love the books, I love the story, I wish I could be a Cullen! And I'..."Great point!!! :-)
That's what i wonder, too. When something has success, suddenly haters start popping up. It's true, maybe the sparkling-vampire thing is not that good, but the books are really well written, and i can't stand how people desdain the series without even having read it.
Palice wrote: "Lindis wrote: "NO she's not comparing Meyer to Shakespeare! Just that, just like Meyer (and many authors) Shakespeare had "Haters" too. The statement was as simple as that. You read too much into i..."I agree. I found those same points throughout Twilight. I didn't really see any female empowerment within the story and I find the characters extremely flat.
Just because I didn't like the style, the writing or the grammar (while the story DID have potential), doesn't automatically mark me as a "shallow snob." You guys have been talking about haters being rude to you, but you can be just as rude in return.
I don't like Twilight but I always try to be considerate of other people's feelings. You say because Palice didn't like it, they didn't "get" it and that's not fair. I know people can find a piece of themselves in literature, and that's why they cling to it so fiercely, and honestly, that is amazing. People can see and read what they want in literature and take vastly different messages out of it. How do you know that the message Palice received was automatically wrong, or your message automatically correct? You say you need to stand up for yourselves against the "haters," and I'll agree that there are some extremely rude "anti-Twihards," and I apologize for their behavior, but like there are different kinds of Twilight lovers, there are different kinds of "haters." Just because of a few rude people, you automatically assume that all "haters" are also rude, so you call them all "shallow snobs" or "literary snobs" who "only like dusty sawdust classics." This umbrella covers both me and Palice, which isn't fair or objective since we are obviously being thoughtful and kind. Talk about rude and offensive. :/
Palice wrote: "Cassie wrote: "Palice wrote: "Lindis wrote: "NO she's not comparing Meyer to Shakespeare! Just that, just like Meyer (and many authors) Shakespeare had "Haters" too. The statement was as simple as ..."Exactly! Respect is everything! People say whatever they want regardless of the consequences on the internet because it is extremely anonymous and they can get away with it. While, I suppose, that can be liberating, it can be hurtful to others.
And I agree about classic works. I'm a huge sucker for Pride and Prejudice, Shakespeare's works, Victor Hugo, Poe, Harper Lee, etc. They are beautifully written and take you back to a time when the world was completely different. I enjoy the classics in addition to guilty pleasures, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Elena wrote: "That's what i wonder, too. When something has success, suddenly haters start popping up. It's true, maybe the sparkling-vampire thing is not that good, but the books are really well written, and i ..."That's a textbook case of "bandwagoning." I hate people who behave this way in every aspect of his/her life. If you haven't experienced something, you shouldn't have an opinion of the subject/topic/etc. When I first heard about Twilight in 2007, I gave it a fair chance. I read the first three and waited on baited breath for Breaking Dawn to be released so the series could have a solid conclusion, of course, I was pretty disappointed at said conclusion, but I read all four books. Yes, they were fun to a point (once I was able to get past the repeated similes and metaphors), but it's not necessarily something that I will read again.
Lady Alice wrote: "Yes, I previously deleted my whole account due to the viciousness of so many Twilight haters and as Jack Nicholson said in Wolf "The worm had turned and is now packing an Uzi" and that is how I fee..."Okay, number one, I was not being rude to you in any way shape or form. I apologize if you thought that I was, and given your history, I guess it would be hard to see me as a nice person who dislikes Twilight. As I said earlier, I apologize for the viciousness of some people, but I, Lady Alice, am not one of these people. I'm sorry that you are "tired of it," and I was agreeing with you -- people are extremely rude and it's not fair.
Quoting myself from two comments ago: "People say whatever they want regardless of the consequences on the internet because it is extremely anonymous and they can get away with it. While, I suppose, that can be liberating, it can be hurtful to others."
Second, I don't understand why you are completely ignoring the fact that Palice and I both stated that even though we don't necessarily like the series we still respect it and its readers.
Quoting Palice: "Yeah, even if I don't exactly enjoy some books, I respect them, try to find the best in them and learn from them."
We are neither criticizing you nor your own personal creative writing pieces, and we aren't calling you names or making you feel bad about yourself. Our criticism is with the text itself; which, is completely objective, and since you didn't write Twilight you should be able to at least sorta see where we are coming from.
Third, yes, I think the Twilight characters are flat. I am a creative writer, and all of the characters could use a little bit more work, in my opinion. None of them are very believable, especially not the characters of Bella's parents, and that, again, has nothing to do you with you personally. It is an observation I have made based on my own reading experience. If you disagree, explain why. Nothing I said should have caused you to feel like you are going to "have a stroke" from anger.
I'm confused by your outbursts.
Lady Alice wrote: "I now see you are only 20 so do not have much life experience yet. Good luck with your writing. I used to be a creative writer too but was attacked too many times."I'm sorry that you take criticism so personally and I'm sorry that you had to stop writing because of it. You should try picking it back up again. I love creative writing. I write some very controversial stories and I know they might not be for everyone. I am not trying to please every single person who could potentially read my work. Honestly, I encourage criticism of my work so I know how people feel about it. No, I do not have anything published because I don't feel that any of my work is at that point yet.
I am in no way jealous of Stephanie Meyer, but that might be the case with some other people.
Age is just a number. It does not automatically equate to worldly knowledge or experiences. I have plenty of life experiences to fill 30 books, break people's hearts, and open minds. I repeat: age is just a number.
I'm sorry if I hurt anyone earlier. I have never called anyone a "literary snob" or shallow. I was just defending what Lady Alice was saying and got a little overboard. I was not defending her on saying that. And when I sad "Ooo snap, one point for us, Etc. I was refering to the mean haters! Not those like Cassie and Palice.Okay, yes I said that Palice, just didn't get it. And I apologise to you. I'm Sorry. But, I've never said that someone was wrong or stupid for not liking Twilight. I respect others opinions as well.
Sometimes, I just can't win on this website. (not that I'm trying to win) I try to be nice, really I do. Like I said at the end of my last post, that I was getting angry and was walking away. I do know that their is a difference between the "haters" and those who are expressing why they don't like the books, or don't agree with me.
Unfourtinatly, I've said it before, I'll say it again. I was born with an argue gene. : ) And yes I know that people see things differently. In all books.
But I don't agree with you and the "Everything was about Edward" thing, her world revolved around the man. Some people have even said that she gave up everyting for him.
Isn't that what it's really like in fresh new "teenage" relationships? Both sides get so wound up in their first love that they do let their worlds revolve around the other. Edward was doing the same thing. He put the whole family in danger by just being with her. Revolving his world around her. The family had to pick up and leave Forks because HE thought is was best not to be in her world in New Moon. It goes both ways.
When love is new and young, that's the way it is. Until the couple grow up. Remember that there is more in life than just the person that you're in love with. Yes, Bella did change one of her goals in life; to have a career before she was married. But hey, I don't see the problem in that change. Specially when you have all the money in the world to study when you want to. As far as giving up her education to be with Edward. (like some have said) She didn't really. She just delayed it. Nothing wrong with that. She just wanted to wait until her newborn period was over. Then she fully planed on going to college. And I'm sure if the story went on, she would have.
I'm sorry if this came across as rude, and I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. This is how I see it.
Lindis wrote: "I'm sorry if I hurt anyone earlier. I have never called anyone a "literary snob" or shallow. I was just defending what Lady Alice was saying and got a little overboard. I was not defending her on s..."It's fine! I just wanted you guys to know that the rude comments can go both ways! Sometimes it's hard to remember that not everyone is the same. :]
I also didn't think your post was rude. It was very intelligent and thoughtful. :]
And I think it's hard to win in discussion groups, especially on goodreads, because people feel so passionate about the books they are talking about. They become a part of them, and as I said before, that is so amazing. I mean you still don't get the same reactions from people and movies, but with books? I think that if magic really existed, it exists within books...
Cassie wrote: "Lindis wrote: "I'm sorry if I hurt anyone earlier. I have never called anyone a "literary snob" or shallow. I was just defending what Lady Alice was saying and got a little overboard. I was not def..."Thanks, well said, I agree. : )
This comment is not meant to be an attack on anyone or anyones opinion, I also understand that nobody was trying to actively belittle anyone else here, its just all this talk of 'literary snobbishness'got me interested. I get called a book snob quite a bit but I actually take it as a compliment. One of my favourite authors is Charles Dickens and I often get teased about this by people who have never read one of his books. I understand that he is not the easiest author in the world to get into and I often find myself infuriated with him because, especially in early work, a lot of his sheer talent and compassion for humanity is lost in his sentimentality. I think it takes a certain level of patience, skill and understanding to stick with some of the classics, so the fact that I can read them with comparative ease makes me rather proud. Being called a book snob just reminds me of being called a geek, its meant to be an insult but it actually means you possess a skill so anyone who has ever had this criticism thrown at them should take comfort from it.
In relation to Twilight I can see that some of my earlier criticisms of the writing were unfair. I read the first book after finishing Tess Of the Durbevilles which, despite having some problems with, I felt was a very rewarding reading experience. I was convinced to read twilight by a friend of a friend who couldn't understand why so far I had no interest in it despite it being so popular. After reading a novel where I felt I was being challenged on every page and the end was truly wrenching Twilight just left me bored. I understand however that given the target audience it was unfair of me to deride the writing style just because it wasn't up there with Dickens and Hardy. However I guess I could never be truly won round by because as soon as I finished reading Twilight instead of thinking I can't wait to read another Meyer, I was thinking I can't wait to read the next Hardy on my list. It was just my reading preferences and it certainly doesn't mean that there was anything wrong with anyone who did enjoy the books.
However my friend of a friend could not accept that as a reason why I did not want to go on with the series and in her mind I was just being a literary snob. I think the point is that I would have less of a problem with Twilight if people I weren't constantly being told by people that there is something wrong with me because I don't like them, especially when they claim its because I read too many classics. I know that twilight fans are intelligent and are not in any way derisive its just this few that unfortunately have tainted it all for me. I especially find it hard to take when they are then cruel about my taste in books like those of Dickens. 'Twi-haters', not that i hate anyonewho likes the books I'm just not a fan, often get accused of being nasty and thoughtless in regards to something which many people love and hold dear. but just because a book is old and written by an old fellow now long dead, it does not mean that stories like Great Expectations and Tess aren't as beloved by as many people. It's just because it's not fashionable or popular that we have to accept the criticisms heaped upon us however unfounded.
Again this is isn't meant to an attack on anyone it was just an interesting point that came to my mind that I though was worth voicing.
In relation to Twilight I can see that some of my earlier criticisms of the writing were unfair. I read the first book after finishing Tess Of the Durbevilles which, despite having some problems with, I felt was a very rewarding reading experience. I was convinced to read twilight by a friend of a friend who couldn't understand why so far I had no interest in it despite it being so popular. After reading a novel where I felt I was being challenged on every page and the end was truly wrenching Twilight just left me bored. I understand however that given the target audience it was unfair of me to deride the writing style just because it wasn't up there with Dickens and Hardy. However I guess I could never be truly won round by because as soon as I finished reading Twilight instead of thinking I can't wait to read another Meyer, I was thinking I can't wait to read the next Hardy on my list. It was just my reading preferences and it certainly doesn't mean that there was anything wrong with anyone who did enjoy the books.
However my friend of a friend could not accept that as a reason why I did not want to go on with the series and in her mind I was just being a literary snob. I think the point is that I would have less of a problem with Twilight if people I weren't constantly being told by people that there is something wrong with me because I don't like them, especially when they claim its because I read too many classics. I know that twilight fans are intelligent and are not in any way derisive its just this few that unfortunately have tainted it all for me. I especially find it hard to take when they are then cruel about my taste in books like those of Dickens. 'Twi-haters', not that i hate anyonewho likes the books I'm just not a fan, often get accused of being nasty and thoughtless in regards to something which many people love and hold dear. but just because a book is old and written by an old fellow now long dead, it does not mean that stories like Great Expectations and Tess aren't as beloved by as many people. It's just because it's not fashionable or popular that we have to accept the criticisms heaped upon us however unfounded.
Again this is isn't meant to an attack on anyone it was just an interesting point that came to my mind that I though was worth voicing.
You know what, most people 'hate' twilight only because it's famous. Yeah, sounds stupid, but that's it. For the other part of the commenters, i have a few points to make.1. Twilight is a really well-written novel, and to that i can't say anything.
2. The sparkling thing. Yeah, it's stupid, we got that.
3. Most important, regarding the storyline. That's what i think: Stephenie Meyer did an amazing job in writing the book, but: what's common in these years' YA books is that they always have the same plot. An unknown girl falls in love with the bad boy only because he's 'gorgeous'. Think about it. There is NO consistent reason why Bella should like Edward. It's just it. She sees the hot boy, she immediately loves him. It's stupid. And why Edward 'falls in love' with Bella? Only because he can't read her mind. If it was some other girl, he probably would've fallen in love with that other one. The plot is not worked-up enough, it's just based on what teens want to hear and want to read. this i don't like.
Correction: Edward became infactuated with bella solely because he cant read her mind, he fell in love with her after.
Suzanne wrote: "This comment is not meant to be an attack on anyone or anyones opinion, I also understand that nobody was trying to actively belittle anyone else here, its just all this talk of 'literary snobbishn..."Good for you for owning your "book snob" title. I proudly wear my "Potter Geek" title and I don't like the word "Twihard", but I am a Twilight Lover. : ) I think there's a difference between "Twihards" and someone like me, who just really loves these books!! And I like to "friendly argue" about them and sometimes, I find myself passionately defending them. Like I would do for any book that I love. It's not the only book in my life!
And thank you for your statement. For me, I would not call you a literary snob. (unless you want me to : ) he he) I'm not sure if I've read many of your previous posts, but your name dosen't stand out. Just remember that they're are alot of real "Literary Snobs" expressing their opinon about the poor quality of Twilight, and they can be very mean about it. Just the way they express their OPINION, sometimes makes we, those who love it, feel belittled and stupid. Because who could love a book that bad???
I guess that's just the way it is. I've learned so much since I started goodreads. But, I love it so much that I cant quit.
"I think it takes a certain level of patience, skill and understanding to stick with some of the classics"
While this statement was used by you with skill and care, statements like these are what some of us seem to be snobish. You are right, it does take a skill, and patience etc to read alot of the classics. But just because someone says that Twilight is their all time favorite book, does not mean they have a low skill level, patience, or understanding. My daughter loves all kinds of books, from Harry Potter to Shakespeare and she is the smartest person I know!
It's comments like these that hurt; These people are snobs.
"Obviously you haven't read very much."
"How old are you?" My daughter read at a college level in the 5th grade, (grammar and comprehension) why should that matter?
Statements that say that "you are reading it just because everyone else is". What's wrong with that? At least they're reading. Literacy is one of the biggest problems in America today. I know, I work in a poverty level school. It dosen't matter what anyone is reading, as long as they're reading. My 15 year old son hates to read. But he loves thoes stupid japanese read backwards anamie things. (MY OPINION!!!!!!) But I'll buy him a million of them if it means he's reading!!!!!!
Ooops, I'm ranting again, well I hope you understand my point and ask me questions if you don't. I don't mind. And Suzanne, I hope you realize that all of this wasn't aimed at you. I loved your comment. I have not read many classics, I'm a late bloomer when it comes to reading. There are so many things that I want to read now that the classics are on the bottom of the list. Maybe you could recommend a not too wordy one for me to start out on?! : ) I love to expand my horizions!
I read the book. Like it half a year and then I could care less about it. Majority it is because I am very annoyed when people starts fanatic over a book that they associate EVERYTHING with twilight... from E! to Galaxie. Its getting annoying when people idolized the cast so much even when they barely had any screen time.
Before I start, let me say that I don't like Twilight. Never have, never will. That being said, here are the problems I have about the whole "Twihards vs. Twihaters" thing (and there are pitfalls on both sides):1) "Millions of fans can't be wrong." They can. Seeing as there are millions of people who don't like it, there's is no right or wrong. There's just a lot of people who like the book and a lot of people who don't. (That's like saying, "Well, millions of Nazis couldn't have been wrong." Popularity doesn't mean the popular thing is good...)
2) I don't understand people who hate the book going on tirades in places filled with people who love it. That's an unprovoked attack and it's not cool. Why bang your head against the wall trying to get fans to turn on the book they love?
3) By the same token, I don't like people who like the book whining about the people who don't. There are places for people who like the book and places for people who don't, and neither group should be complaining about the other.
4) There are REASONS we don't like it. It's not that we don't "get it," it's not that we're "book snobs," it's that we have our reasons that we don't like it (which I won't mention here as there are hundreds of websites that do a much better job of it) just like Tiwhards have their reasons for liking it. Do I have a personal opinions regarding these reasons? Yes. Does is automatically make me think twice about someone when they're Twilight fanatics? Yes. Does that make my opinion absolutely correct? No. I love Harry Potter, I hate Twilight and the Hunger Games...but so what? I accept that other people have other opinions. Again, no right and wrong here.
5) I have no problem with people who like the books. Fine. Go ahead and like it. If it stimulates your imagination and makes you happy, read it until your eyes bleed with the pleasure of it. I DO have a problem with fanatics - when the liking of the series becomes an unhealthy obsession. People who're SCARY obsessed. If the series is permeating every facet of your life and you can't go three seconds without mentioning it, that's overboard. I don't need to hear about it every second of everyday and I don't need to be attacked for my dislike.
6) I think the book creates such strong feelings in opposition that it provokes discussion and judgement. Everyone has the right to discuss books, whether it be love of them or hatred of them, without fear of reprisal. I keep my nose out of Twihard discussions unless I'm called out/ Just the same, why can't we "haters" have the same respect and be allowed to discuss why we DON'T like it in peace? If it's not an attack on anyone, it's not HURTING anyone. It's just a discussion. If you're somehow offended by it, may I suggest not reading it?
7) Book choice will always affect the way one person views another, especially for bookworms. Some people are turned off by my love of Jane Austen. I'm turned off by love of Twilight. No difference.
8) It's not cool when Twilight "haters" personally attack someone just for liking the book. That's just rude. I can understand just saying, "Hey, I'm not a fan, and we can have a rational discussion on why we have a difference of opinion here, if you'd like," but immediately going for "You like Twilight you're DUMB!" is rude and uncalled for. Dislike is one thing, hating viciously is quite another.
9) There's a lack of willingness to communicate on both sides. I would love to sit down with someone who's a fan of the books and have a serious, amiable discussion on why we have a difference of opinion. I love debates! A debate like that would be fun, so long as it stayed in good fun. But on both sides there seems to be a tendency to get frustrated too easily. We forget that it's JUST A BOOK. There's no need to argue so quickly. Then, instead of a fun discussion, you get arguments whereby both sides are knocking their heads against brick walls.
10) Last one...I get a lot of "But people who hate Twilight always INSULT people who like it! That's not fair!" As I said above, we generally like to have a bit of a chuckle at the obsessed ones, not the normal fans (we're talking the people obsessed enough to get a Cullen's face tattooed across their back). I have very close friends who've read it and liked it. I said, "Ha! Oh you!" we had a laugh, and that was it. May I point out that, barely a few posts above me, we've been called book snobs? The "insults" go both ways, here. I try to make it a point to discuss the book, not the people, and the whole "Stop insulting us!" argument would hold a lot more water if we didn't get it back just as hard.
If we could just get over the whole thing it wouldn't be an issue. But there are always people who are over-aggressive, whiny, over-sensitive, obstinate, or purely looking to be offensive (don't forget, just like haters gonna hate, trolls gonna troll). If anyone wants to speak rationally and calmly about the book itself, I'd be totally game. Since that seems unlikely, can we all just go back to our own groups and play nicely?
Probably dangerous for me to jump in here, but...I liked Twilight just fine. It was a delicious piece of brain candy that I gobbled up in a few days and then moved on. I don't quite get why it's soooo popular, but *shrugs*. IMO, there's a lot better vampire fiction out there, but this series is a good way to get your toes wet.
I think there's a little bit of "Vampires vs Goths" (Southpark ref) rage that goes on. There was a time when you were weird for liking vampire romance, and I think the original fans liked it that way. Now that it has invaded all aspects of culture, the genre's lost a little bit of its taboo.
But I'll defend liking Twilight to anyone. I read to be entertained, period.
Edited to add: To Kristen above. I like Jane Austen too. Went through a Jane Austen summer. Persuasian was actually one of my favorites.
C.D. wrote: "Probably dangerous for me to jump in here, but...I liked Twilight just fine. It was a delicious piece of brain candy that I gobbled up in a few days and then moved on. I don't quite get why i..."
hey..i think this is the best vampire fiction..because its real in many ways..
I went through a twilight phase. I liked it because it was like a Disney fairytale for teens. That's why I believe teens enjoy it so much. They get to believe in a prince charming and a happy ending. Now that's become the reason I am not a big fan of the books currently. Honestly, it was the fourth book that turned me "against" twilight. All the characters ended up happy. When the series finished I was an adult (I started reading the books as a teen). I wanted something with more depth and these books didn't provide that. The characters stayed the same and so did the plot. Boy loves girl, girl loves boy, and we hear about their journey through love. Their love was began simple and immediately. As I was reading the books like I said I was becoming a adult (I'm now almost 21, young but still an adult). In between I saw my friends fall in love. After finishing the series I found love also. This experience made me realize that Twilight never portrayed real love or characters. It was fiction at it purest most basic form. Their love wasn't realistic because Edward wasn't too perfect or anything. My guy is pretty perfect too. It was that as I was reading the books I saw Bella lose herself and everything she believed. All her thoughts were about Edward and all her goals/dreams were of him. Being in love doesn't involve the loss of yourself, you actually find yourself a bit. And if one day (knock on wood) my guy disappeared from my life. I would be heart-broken but I would survive. I guess I wanted twilight to be about a strong woman who could survive on her own but not have to because she was in love. But in the end it was about a girl who got everything she wanted and only had one thought (edward) on her mind.
First of all, I must say that I have read the first three books of the series (or "saga", as they seem to call it now) and I'm planning to read the fourth, so I do somewhat know what I'm talking about (I hate it when people say they hate Twilight when they haven't even read it...)I actually used to like Twilight quite a lot. I was thirteen when I read the first book and I loved it. After a few years I read the book again and saw the "flaws" I hadn't seen before. I'm not saying that you're chilish or stupid if you like Twilight, I'm just saying that for me it was essential to grow up a bit to learn to read citically and to understand the book better. For me, it's still enjoyable literature, but certainly not well-written or profound or something that would really captivate me.
To answer the question on the title, there in absolutely nothing wrong with being a Twilight Fanatic. If you like the books/movies, that is completely okay. It just means that you like that kind of literature.
But the one thing that annoys me with some Twihards is their persistent willingness to argue whether or not the series is well-written or good. Obviously there is no absolute truth, only different opinions. Different things are important for different people. In this case, the romance of Bella and Edward can be viewed in many different ways. For some, its love so pure and deep that it worldly things do not matter. Others (like myself) see it as a relationship with no basis in their personalities, interests or anything. I personally can't take the books seriously when the narrator seems so naive, but for other people that feature might appear as a likeable thing about Bella.
I'm just saying that your reading experiences always reflect you as a person and are always subjective. So no matter how objective we try to be while criticising books (or movies etc), it's always just our personal experience (which can always change). So for both the fans and the haters, PLEASE try to respect others' opinions. They are just as valid as yours.
(Also, I apologize for the possible grammatical errors in this post. English isn't my first language.)
wow, I just tried to read all the comments on this page, I think I might have gone blind..........TOO MANY WORDS(though I get caught up in rants about things I feel strongly about, too sometimes!)
I really like Twilight, but what I think is unbelievable is the passion this book stirs up in people, both lovers and haters. I think it's great we all have different opinions - be kinda boring if we all like the same thing. Viva la difference!
I mean there's a difference between extreme and loving the book. most people assume that if you love twilight you're an automatic goth.me? i dont think so. but there are ain extremes. like,in my school, there is a group of die hard twi-fans. they pretend they're vampires,get fang transplants,and pretend to bite people ont he neck. theres a line between extreme and loving. :)
I love twilight to death what i dont get the most is why people are so against the series, twilight is the one that like basically started the whole phenenmonon of vampires and werewolves into the new era. I hate people who dis twilight when they havent even seen it ^.^ But i am a twilighter and i'll always be one, i really do wish to be a cullen.! but anyways I LOVE TWILIGHT!!! <3
we have our reasons ^.^
I don't get it either. I couldn't put the books down. I thought the movies absolutely did them justice - so I can't say what the fuss is about. I would never have dreamed of reading vampire books (I hate horror) had they not been written by Stephanie Meyer. Has anyone read The Host? That was my first book and it blew me away. To me she is dealing with very existential themes in a truly charming and likeable way. I am looking forward to more from her pen!
Gudrun wrote: "I don't get it either. I couldn't put the books down. I thought the movies absolutely did them justice - so I can't say what the fuss is about. I would never have dreamed of reading vampire books (..."your comment is really awesome! I love to see grown up people comment like this about twilight, because the' twilight haters' say that, teenagers are the only lovers of stephenie mayer and twilight saga!
I have to say it's the bashing of other book series. I mean, okay, some may find Twilight great but some may not. You have your own opinion and that doesn't change the fact that other people do too. Just because Twilight is good to you doesn't mean Harry Potter has to be terrible. They don't go hand in hand. I myself find both books great but in many different ways. It just annoys me how people trash talk another book in defense of the other and how they're so in love with the said book that they can't get their heads out of their asses. It's even stupid when they try bashing another book without knowing the facts, therefore seeming really dumb and bringing the outlook of some people on the book lower. I have to say that due to the "fan wars", I have begun to like the Twilight series a lot less than I did before - just saying.
Sun wrote: "Okay, so I read everyone' opinion about Twilight and the haters and the teeny boppers and the existence of the locations in the book.When I first heard of the hype surrounding the Twilight series..."
TwiHalfers! Well, there you go! Now I know what to call myself.
Gloria wrote: "I love twilight to death what i dont get the most is why people are so against the series, twilight is the one that like basically started the whole phenenmonon of vampires and werewolves into the ..."I see that you have Emmett for your picture, me too! TEAM EMMETT!!!!!!! Edward's too moody!
Athira wrote: "Gudrun wrote: "I don't get it either. I couldn't put the books down. I thought the movies absolutely did them justice - so I can't say what the fuss is about. I would never have dreamed of reading ..."Oh no! I do believe that there might be more "middle aged" fans than their are teenagers! Like me and my friends! We love it!!!!
another thing i dont get is why people say they hate the movie so much when they used to have a current obseesion with it sometime when it first hit the cinemas. Everything was all about edward they were obsessed and now there saying its all gay etc
Gloria wrote: "another thing i dont get is why people say they hate the movie so much when they used to have a current obseesion with it sometime when it first hit the cinemas. Everything was all about edward the..."I heard that too..I don't know how people can make such worthless comments.
What I feel is that reading "Twilight", in a way, diminishes the chances of one to read other books dissociating to supernatural creatures, fantasy, romance, etc. It isn't that nothing else will match that "writing", "story", or "quality", it's simply that nothing will seem to give you a similar satisfaction.
The reason people hate it is becasue it has ruined the paranormal romance image. It went to public. The book is actually good at least the first and second, but that it is now a world wide craze really bothers me. I think that people should enjoy the books but now the whole genre is ruined becase it went to public.
As a Twilight fan I think that there is nothing wrong with loving something that you enjoy. For some people its cars, for others its scrapbooking. No one disses the Harry Potter fans (even though Harry Potter is even MORE meaningless than Twilight) mainly because there are more Harry Potter fans than Twilight fans. Everyone has a right to opinion!
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Ummm, I'm team EMMETT!!! I want that man!